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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join Hidden in Him and For His Glory for discussions on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/become-a-vessel-of-honor-part-2.112306/
Issues with Speaking In Tongues
- Thread starter Classik
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- Jun 21, 2009
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Who kicked the ball over the bar?
The rules (as seen by me) for soccer are simple:
"If it moves? Kick it. If it doesn't move? Kick it until it does."
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Off topic? Perhaps, but accepted in the spirit it is offered. (Let's not go too far)
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Moderator Note to all: We would do well to focus upon the scriptures and exactly what gifts the Lord has for us and stick to the topic of discussion rather than being drawn into sideline discussions between individual members. We do not need to address members but the topic itself. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ and need to remember that, and to conduct ourselves with all manner of brotherly love. Let's get back on topic Brothers and Sisters...
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Getting a bit legalistic in a general forum, don't you think?
- Jun 21, 2009
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allenwynne? If we, as a group, need to have the topic closed I am certain that you may petition the Staff here and find that at least one Moderator here will be happy to oblige.
If you would like to be allowed to reply publicly to your Staff's comments and not have your reply deleted? I am also certain that you may petition the Staff here and find that at least one Moderator here might agree, but I doubt there will be any joyous celebration over this small point of contention.
Let's just instead, either follow the instruction given by the assigned Moderator, send personal comments and criticisms to the person via personal message (be sure to remain your usual respectful self) or open a Talk with the Staff thread to speak to the group of volunteers who have given their time toward the efforts extended here.
In other words, you too are directed to keep on topic even though your comment here is also accepted in the spirit that they are given.
~SparrowHAWKE
I am not sure of the reason that prevents me from deleting all off-topic comments. No, wait. I am sure of it. I do not and will not step on my brother's ground. That's why, I hesitate to abuse the grace found in his good heart, but should you choose to again, and should you do so publicly, be aware that you may again be subjected to a public response and rebuke.
If you would like to be allowed to reply publicly to your Staff's comments and not have your reply deleted? I am also certain that you may petition the Staff here and find that at least one Moderator here might agree, but I doubt there will be any joyous celebration over this small point of contention.
Let's just instead, either follow the instruction given by the assigned Moderator, send personal comments and criticisms to the person via personal message (be sure to remain your usual respectful self) or open a Talk with the Staff thread to speak to the group of volunteers who have given their time toward the efforts extended here.
In other words, you too are directed to keep on topic even though your comment here is also accepted in the spirit that they are given.
~SparrowHAWKE
I am not sure of the reason that prevents me from deleting all off-topic comments. No, wait. I am sure of it. I do not and will not step on my brother's ground. That's why, I hesitate to abuse the grace found in his good heart, but should you choose to again, and should you do so publicly, be aware that you may again be subjected to a public response and rebuke.
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One of our major contributors to this thread heard a "check in his spirit" and that whisper, that check was echoed, by his wife. Of course he's still welcome and of course he knows to continue to offer prayer. I know this is what is happening behind the scenes without doubt even if it too is an unseen thing. I've spoken in this thread and remain in order to facilitate the conversation toward common understanding, but I am not aware of any method for me, as a leader, to accomplish this goal.
Our prayer that the Lord speak through each of us as we together ponder what He has for us here is uplifted. Waiting on the Lord is part of what it takes while considering the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Teachings regarding these things may be seen and traced through out the bible. That is indeed strong meat and something that I'd need help with. But there are other part that belong to me, that I've chewed and digested and yes, have even argued with my Holy Spirit filled instructors about. Those things are indeed settled, known by me as "tried and proven true." I am admonished to prove the truth and to sell it not as are every one who participates here.
Waiting on the Lord, have I said? It is a good thing. Wait with expectancy, and with the very idea that comes with our walk, that we even here, shall cross the line - even though it is not the last line nor the last race. Know that the word given through Paul, when he said, "Brothers, I would not have you ignorant regarding spirituals," (my paraphrase of the Greek) is the truth of the heart of the Holy Spirit on this matter, Who is with us today, even here and even now.
~Sparrow
Our prayer that the Lord speak through each of us as we together ponder what He has for us here is uplifted. Waiting on the Lord is part of what it takes while considering the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Teachings regarding these things may be seen and traced through out the bible. That is indeed strong meat and something that I'd need help with. But there are other part that belong to me, that I've chewed and digested and yes, have even argued with my Holy Spirit filled instructors about. Those things are indeed settled, known by me as "tried and proven true." I am admonished to prove the truth and to sell it not as are every one who participates here.
Waiting on the Lord, have I said? It is a good thing. Wait with expectancy, and with the very idea that comes with our walk, that we even here, shall cross the line - even though it is not the last line nor the last race. Know that the word given through Paul, when he said, "Brothers, I would not have you ignorant regarding spirituals," (my paraphrase of the Greek) is the truth of the heart of the Holy Spirit on this matter, Who is with us today, even here and even now.
~Sparrow
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1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. 6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? 7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? 8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. 1 Corinthians 14:1-10
JLB
- For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God...
- He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself...
- But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?
JLB
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Please forgive my work schedule and the belated responses it brings.
I did not intend to break any rules or anything else or continue in a pointless argument. If this is deemed PM material or the personal stuff Edward was talking about then please delete, i only offer in public as what has transpired has been public and would contribute to the greater good, or so i hope.
Apologies for the long-windedness of previous posts but i felt compelled to explain the nature of a few things. Its obvious that im sort of new here and needed to establish that im not walking in to cause any dissension or drive wedges. As someone thats been new alot, i know there is protocol to be followed. Jumping out pointing at something earns no friends, and rightly so. I came here simply because i had been reading you guys for a while and had no other place to go. The land is dry up here. There are the oasis', but please understand i live oh so very close to the canadian capital of debauchery.
Making it short-winded. There was a compulsion to do something, it was done. The Spirit moved and did so mightily.
I do not dislike anyone here. Make no mistake, its known Brother Mike is used mightily by our lord. This is not in dispute. With his displays of ferocity and sure-footed courage in all that is our god, is there any who would not be honoured to stand beside a man like this in a charge against our enemy? This is not "smooching for the cheeks". This is the truth. And you know what? Thank you Brother Mike, even in the most horrible delivery possible, and not even in the words used, the spirit in you communicated to mine. Keep up the fervence.
The task wasnt light, it never is. Relationships shattered or sealed? In the end it wont matter, eternity will matter. Much love and thank you. Ill take my leave of this floor as to not disrupt this further.
I did not intend to break any rules or anything else or continue in a pointless argument. If this is deemed PM material or the personal stuff Edward was talking about then please delete, i only offer in public as what has transpired has been public and would contribute to the greater good, or so i hope.
Apologies for the long-windedness of previous posts but i felt compelled to explain the nature of a few things. Its obvious that im sort of new here and needed to establish that im not walking in to cause any dissension or drive wedges. As someone thats been new alot, i know there is protocol to be followed. Jumping out pointing at something earns no friends, and rightly so. I came here simply because i had been reading you guys for a while and had no other place to go. The land is dry up here. There are the oasis', but please understand i live oh so very close to the canadian capital of debauchery.
Making it short-winded. There was a compulsion to do something, it was done. The Spirit moved and did so mightily.
I do not dislike anyone here. Make no mistake, its known Brother Mike is used mightily by our lord. This is not in dispute. With his displays of ferocity and sure-footed courage in all that is our god, is there any who would not be honoured to stand beside a man like this in a charge against our enemy? This is not "smooching for the cheeks". This is the truth. And you know what? Thank you Brother Mike, even in the most horrible delivery possible, and not even in the words used, the spirit in you communicated to mine. Keep up the fervence.
The task wasnt light, it never is. Relationships shattered or sealed? In the end it wont matter, eternity will matter. Much love and thank you. Ill take my leave of this floor as to not disrupt this further.
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- Jun 21, 2009
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Famous last words, right? Not quite.
And while thinking about the Gifts of the Spirit there is a natural leap to the Fruits of the Spirit. Like so many things they too may be categorized into groupings designed to hold them together better in our minds. Here's the thought:
Of the Fruits of the Spirit the 1st three fruits focus on:
Our Relationship with God:
- Love: Song of Solomon 8:7; John 13:34-35; John 15:13; John 16:27; 1Peter 4:8; 1John 3:11; 4:7,8;
- Longsuffering: Eph 4:1,2; 2Tim 4:2; 2Pet 3:9
- Faith: Mat 17:20;21:22; Mark 9:23;11:24; Romans 4:20,21;10:17; Ephesians 6:16; Hebrews 11:6
The next set in the series of nine fruits may be seen to set our focus upon:
Our Relationship with Others:
- Joy: Nehemiah 8:10; Psalm 16:11;35:9;89:15,16; Acts 2:28; Romans 14:17
- Gentleness: 2Samuel 22:36; James 3:17
- Meekness: Eph 4:1,2; Col 3:12
And for the trifecta/perfecta, the final set bring our focus to the
Fruit that directly bears Upon the Individual:
- Peace: Psalm 4:8;119:165; Isa 26:3; John 14:27; Rom 8:6; Philippians 4:7; James 3:18
- Goodness: Psalm 23:6; Psalm 52:1
- Temperance: Eph 5:18
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Regarding discernment:
Abounding Fruit is the promise to those who are giving themselves to the cheerful Christ-centered service (ministry). These nine fruits or 'manifestations' of the Holy Spirit are needful for the elimination of 'spiritual barrenness', needed to escape the corruption of the world and to become partakers of the divine nature of God. See 2Pet 1:4,5,6,7,8
As we continue to submit to the Holy Spirit and That ministry given as our Comforter, our Teacher, by the one who Convicts and forms us, joins us, and fits us, we are guided toward showing our love fervently for the brethren as this is exactly what we are called to do, to become Christ for others and to display or show forth the glory of God. He is the one who chooses the beggarly elements, we are designed for this purpose.
Gifts are given for the benefit of the church as the Spirit directs and enacts with us. We are told to chase them (pursue) and may do so energetically especially desiring to prophesy that we may edify each one the other. The fruits of the Spirit? They are a vital groundwork to never lose sight of even as we consider the nature of Love and as we come to better understand who we are to be, so also must we lean on each other and allow our dependence grow such that we are nourished continuously by the Word of Truth, even as it flows through each member of His body, even here, and even now.
