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[Shilohsfoal]

Yes. They are sent by and empowered by God.


And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. Revelation 11:3-6


JLB

Like you said. They will call fire down from heaven.

Revelation 13:13 - The Beast from the Earth

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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That's biblical.
Why you think this is good is beyond me.

 

[JLB]

PS
I never said the two witnesses wouldn't ascend into heaven in a cloud. They deffinatly will. They tormented others, now it's thier turn. God will recompence.

Thanks for manifesting your hatred of those sent by God.

 

[JLB]

Like you said. They will call fire down from heaven.

Revelation 13:13 - The Beast from the Earth

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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That's biblical.

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. Revelation11:7



JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. Revelation11:7



JLB

God said he would gather those nations to attack Jerusalem and capture it. That's when those two witnesses die thier first death.

Zechariah 14:2 - The Destroyers of Jerusalem Destroyed

For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.

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[Shilohsfoal]

Thanks for manifesting your hatred of those sent by God.

Revelation 13:13 - The Beast from the Earth

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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You say it's sent by God.

 

[JLB]

God said he would gather those nations to attack Jerusalem and capture it. That's when those two witnesses die thier first death.

Zechariah 14:2 - The Destroyers of Jerusalem Destroyed

For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.

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Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Zechariah 14:1-4

I would say they will be resurrected and return with the rest of the saints and angels on the Day of the Lord.

 

[JLB]

Revelation 13:13 - The Beast from the Earth

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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You say it's sent by God.

Yes the two witnesses are sent and empowered by God.

The verse or link you are using is from Revelation 13 and has NOTHING to do with the two witnesses.

JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Zechariah 14:1-4

I would say they will be resurrected and return with the rest of the saints and angels on the Day of the Lord.

The two witnesses come back to life and ascend into heaven in a cloud.
I'd say they are ascending into the presence of the lamb and the holy angels.

Revelation 14:10 - The Three Angels and Babylon's Fall

he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

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They killed and tormented others in the name of Jesus. Now it's thier turn.

 

[JLB]

The two witnesses come back to life and ascend into heaven in a cloud.
I'd say they are ascending into the presence of the lamb and the holy angels.

Revelation 14:10 - The Three Angels and Babylon's Fall

he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

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They killed and tormented others in the name of Jesus. Now it's thier turn.

The two witnesses are sent and empowered by God.

Its sad to see your hatred of those called and sent by God.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The two witnesses are sent and empowered by God.

Its sad to see your hatred of those called and sent by God.

They show great signs and wonders. Like you said. They call fire down from heaven.

Revelation 13:13 - The Beast from the Earth

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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Just because they are given the power to do these things does not make them good.

 

[JLB]

They show great signs and wonders. Like you said. They call fire down from heaven.

Revelation 13:13 - The Beast from the Earth

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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Just because they are given the power to do these things does not make them good.

Again you are posting Scripture links to Revelation 13, when the two witnesses are called to heaven in Revelation 11.

You are calling good evil.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Again you are posting Scripture links to Revelation 13, when the two witnesses are called to heaven in Revelation 11.

You are calling good evil.

You said they call fire down from heaven. Revelation 13 is where that scripture is.

Anyone who kills and torments people are bad. Even worse to do such things in Jesus name.

Matthew 7:15 KJV: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:16 KJV: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Matthew 7:17 KJV: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 7:18 KJV: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 7:19 KJV: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 7:20 KJV: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Scripture shows thier fruit. They kill and torment people. This is the exact opposite of everything Jesus taught.
Killing and tormenting people is just wrong and bad fruit. Bad fruit=bad tree.

You condone killing and tormenting people.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Again you are posting Scripture links to Revelation 13, when the two witnesses are called to heaven in Revelation 11.

You are calling good evil.

You are calling evil good
Like I said, they do the exact opposite of everything Jesus taught.

Matthew 5:44 - Love Your Enemies

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

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The two witnesses are the ones persecuting people.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Again you are posting Scripture links to Revelation 13, when the two witnesses are called to heaven in Revelation 11.

You are calling good evil.

You are calling evil good
Like I said, they do the exact opposite of everything Jesus taught.

Matthew 5:44 - Love Your Enemies

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

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But they do the exact opposite of what Jesus taught and you still say they are good.

Revelation 11:5 - The Two Witnesses

If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.

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Revelation 11:6 - The Two Witnesses

These witnesses have power to shut the sky so that no rain will fall during the days of their prophecy, and power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish.

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They are the exact opposite of Jesus.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Matthew 7:12 - Ask, Seek, Knock

In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.

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They do the exact opposite of everything Jesus taught.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The two witnesses are empowered to Prophesy and call fire down upon the wicked who try to harm them.

Then they are caught up to heaven after they are raised from the dead.

Yes they make fire come down from heaven to destroy thier enemies.

Luke 9:54 - The Samaritans Reject Jesus

When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, Lord, do You want us to call down fire from heaven to consume them?

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Luke 9:55 - The Samaritans Reject Jesus

But Jesus turned and rebuked them.

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If Jesus were with them, he would rebuke them. But he's not.And those two witnesses obviously don't know Jesus's words or the gospel.

 

[hawkman]

You are calling evil good
Like I said, they do the exact opposite of everything Jesus taught.

Matthew 5:44 - Love Your Enemies

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

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But they do the exact opposite of what Jesus taught and you still say they are good.

Revelation 11:5 - The Two Witnesses

If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.

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Revelation 11:6 - The Two Witnesses

These witnesses have power to shut the sky so that no rain will fall during the days of their prophecy, and power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish.

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They are the exact opposite of Jesus.

Ok, a few questions for you , verses first then questions .
Rev11

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Who's witnesses are they ?

Rev11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Whose testimony are they delivering ?

Rev11

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Where did the spirit of life come from ? Where did the witnesses ascend to ?

By the time this is happening on earth almost all the Christians are no longer on earth . The people the witnesses are dealing the wrath of God to are not Christians and are never going to be Christians, they are soon to take the mark of the beast .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Ok, a few questions for you , verses first then questions .
Rev11

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Who's witnesses are they ?

Rev11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Whose testimony are they delivering ?

Rev11

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Where did the spirit of life come from ? Where did the witnesses ascend to ?

By the time this is happening on earth almost all the Christians are no longer on earth . The people the witnesses are dealing the wrath of God to are not Christians and are never going to be Christians, they are soon to take the mark of the beast .

They are witnesses of Jesus Christ-"their" Lord.
They ARE two Christians.

Revelation 11:8 - The Witnesses Killed and Raised

Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city--figuratively called Sodom and Egypt--where their Lord was also crucified.

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These TWO christians are killing and tormenting people the same time the beast with TWO horns is giving people the mark of the beast and the saints in Israel are persecuted. The exact same time period.

Matthew 24:48 - Readiness at Any Hour

But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, 'My master will be away a long time.'

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Matthew 24:49 - Readiness at Any Hour

And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.

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Matthew 24:50 - Readiness at Any Hour

The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate.

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Matthew 24:51 - Readiness at Any Hour

Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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The spirit of life comes from Christ"thier Lord.
And they ascend into heaven in a cloud.

They ascend into heaven in the presence of the Lamb and holy angels.

Revelation 14:10 KJV: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence

Of the Lamb.

Now I have I have one question for you.
Where in the gospel does Jesus tell any of his servants to kill and torment people?

 

[GodsGrace]

The moderators on this board are saying verses that I post are not scripture even though they are straight from the scriptures. Verses such as this.

Revelation 11:10 KJV: And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Both moderators arguing that this verse is not scripture and one who deny the verse states the two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth.

I'm trying to point out Jesus taught that you should not recompense evil for evil as in this verse.

Matthew 5:39 - Love Your Enemies

But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also;

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Yet the moderators are insisting that it OK to kill and torment others because they say it's OK.

Lastly and this is why I'm leaving. Because the moderators don't like verses posted on this site and are now constantly asking me to not post scripture such as this verse

Matthew 7:12 - Ask, Seek, Knock

In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.

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Which verse proves the two witnesses in Revelation do the exact opposite of everything Jesus stands for and taught.

The two witnesses kill and torment people and scripture does not show one single thing they do that's good. Yet the moderators on this board cant even tell the difference between good and evil and condone violence and evil works.

No wonder there are so few posters here. When the moderators ignor the words of Christ for thier own beliefs, your not going to attract many posters.

Matthew 26:52 - The Betrayal of Jesus

Put your sword back in its place, Jesus said to him. For all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

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At no time did Jesus ever condone violence.
Yet the mods problem is the verses I'm posting for people to read. One told me to stop posting these verses.They simply can't stand the truth here.

Could you please tell me the thread you're speaking of?
Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

Ok, a few questions for you , verses first then questions .
Rev11

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Who's witnesses are they ?

Rev11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Whose testimony are they delivering ?

Rev11

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Where did the spirit of life come from ? Where did the witnesses ascend to ?

By the time this is happening on earth almost all the Christians are no longer on earth . The people the witnesses are dealing the wrath of God to are not Christians and are never going to be Christians, they are soon to take the mark of the beast .

Thanks Hawkman. (for picking this up).
As you probably know, I'm not very good with Revelation.