Jesus alone saves?

[thessalonian]

[/quote]
My say so doesn't mean anything unless it aligns with the Word of God. Others who contradict the Word of God are in disagreement with me. If you teach a false doctrine, I will know it by the Holy Spirit that lives within me since my born again, born of above experience. Perhaps you too will be born again one day, and we can then become brothers in Christ.[/quote]

I thought you didn't judge people Solo?

 

[Solo]

My say so doesn't mean anything unless it aligns with the Word of God. Others who contradict the Word of God are in disagreement with me. If you teach a false doctrine, I will know it by the Holy Spirit that lives within me since my born again, born of above experience. Perhaps you too will be born again one day, and we can then become brothers in Christ.

I thought you didn't judge people Solo?

You really ought to do a study on judgment and judging. There is a great difference in judging and discerning, also in judging and warning. Perhaps if you recognize that it is my belief that the Word of God will judge all mankind, while believers are to discern false brethren, false doctrine, false institutions, etc.

 

[von]

Orthodoxy- I didn't know that this sight was for people who only agree with you. I did not call you any names. All that I am saying is that when someone wants to degrade you and tell you another way and can't take the heat of the simple truth, that I don't want to waste my time on that. There are people out there that want Jesus. There are people who's lives have been changed by Jesus and You or no one else can take that from them.
You say that our proof is our say so but I have to wonder what makes your proof so valid. Actually, I haven't seen any proof from you just a bunch of rambling.
Call my Lord a burgerkingjesus. His word was made plain enough for the children to accept. I'll take Him anyway I can get Him. You are brain-smart but you are definitely not heart-smart.
Don't worry about me staying on this post, if what I said bothers you that much I will move on so you can try to deceive someone else but I stand behind what I said. I will never apologize for the Word of God. The Bible says if any man come with another doctrine let him be accursed. I shake the dust off of my feet.

 

[Orthodoxy]

von

You say that our proof is our say so but I have to wonder what makes your proof so valid.

Historical Facts.

Call my Lord a burgerkingjesus. His word was made plain enough for the children to accept. I'll take Him anyway I can get Him. You are brain-smart but you are definitely not heart-smart.

ahh thanks for the back handed compliment. You, Jesus and yer bible. Got it.

Don't worry about me staying on this post, if what I said bothers you that much I will move on so you can try to deceive someone else but I stand behind what I said. I will never apologize for the Word of God. The Bible says if any man come with another doctrine let him be accursed. I shake the dust off of my feet.

Show me where Jesus placed a book with all the authority of His Father until you do I believe what the Church believes about Jesus Christ and the salvation of man over you and your personalized version of jesus.

No the bible says if any man comes and preaches another Jesus than the one you have recieved from the Church may he be accused.

While your shaking your feet pull yer head out of the sand.

Orthodoxy

 

[Klee shay]

Orthodoxy, historical facts are entirely man made. You don't honestly believe that is something we should rely on for truth?

 

[von]

Question, What kind of doctorate degrees do you have behind your name? I don't see that Paul or Peter had any. No, it does not say another Jesus and I apologize since it doesn't say another doctrine either. What it says in Galations 1:6-8 is, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Whether you believe it or not, Paul preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Acts 4:2- Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE other name under Heaven given among men whereby we MUST be saved.
So are you confessing to us that you are not saved? Because there is no other way. It doesn't matter about historical facts. It matters what this Word says. I'm sure you have good intentions and feel like the way you were taught all of your life is right but maybe you should take a risk and with a sincere heart ask God to reveal His Word to you.
I Cor. 1:27- Says that God has cosen the simple things of the world to confound the wise. He didn't make this gospel hard. Look at the kind of people Jesus came for. He came for the loweliest of the low.
Let me ask you something, Why are you so defensive if you are so sure of yourself? I see you like to argue. You really don't want to dicuss. You are more concerned about proving your point which by the way you have proven absolutely nothing. You have not submitted one of these "facts" that you defend so much.

 

[Solo]

Show me where Jesus placed a book with all the authority of His Father until you do I believe what the Church believes about Jesus Christ and the salvation of man over you and your personalized version of jesus.

One of my favorite scriptures is John 1:1-14 as it describes that Jesus is the Word, and it is not a mistake in my opinion that God uses the written word in the Bible to reveal his truth to his children. Notice the times that Jesus uses the phrase "it is written" when speaking to the various peoples.


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended F1 it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1-14


Mt 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Mt 4:7
Jesus said unto him, It is written, again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Mt 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Mt 11:10
For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mt 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mt 26:24
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Mt 26:31
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

Mr 1:2
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mr 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mr 9:12
And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

Mr 9:13
But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Mr 11:17
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it is written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mr 14:21
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Mr 14:27
And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

Lu 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Lu 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Lu 7:27
This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Lu 19:46
Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Lu 24:46
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Joh 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Joh 8:17
It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Mr 12:26
And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Lk 4:17-21
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Lu 20:41-43
41 And he [Jesus] said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Joh 20:30
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

Re 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Show me where Jesus placed a book with all the authority of His Father until you do I believe what the Church believes about Jesus Christ and the salvation of man over you and your personalized version of jesus.

One of my favorite scriptures is John 1:1-14 as it describes that Jesus is the Word, and it is not a mistake in my opinion that God uses the written word in the Bible to reveal his truth to his children. Notice the times that Jesus uses the phrase "it is written" when speaking to the various peoples.
My friend Orthodoxy, this is a prime example of the problem of these bible worshippers building doctrine from translations. As we know, there is no 'official' English translation of the NT in the Orthodox jurisdictions, as yet. We see below this individual, who claims infallibility, build doctrine from these references to word, scripture, and it is written- not knowing that the three primary Greek terms used are logos (word), graphas (scripture), and rhema (living now word).

These terms are, as we know, distinct, just as eros and philo and agape are distinct.

We who are of the Greek jurisdiction hear this gospel in Greek every Pacha chanted from the pulpit, alleluia. "En arche een o Logos kai o Logos een pros Theon kai Theos een o Logos"

Yet this idolator presented all of these as if they were saying one and the same thing. Blind guides.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

My say so doesn't mean anything unless it aligns with the Word of God. Others who contradict the Word of God are in disagreement with me. If you teach a false doctrine, I will know it by the Holy Spirit that lives within me since my born again, born of above experience. Perhaps you too will be born again one day, and we can then become brothers in Christ.

I thought you didn't judge people Solo?

You really ought to do a study on judgment and judging. There is a great difference in judging and discerning, also in judging and warning. Perhaps if you recognize that it is my belief that the Word of God will judge all mankind, while believers are to discern false brethren, false doctrine, false institutions, etc.

I find it disturbing at best that you think yourself able to tell who is and who is not a Christian. While I do not agree with Thessalonian on some subjects, there has been nothing in his posting that would lead one to question his commitment to Christ. If you are basing this assumption solely on the fact that he attends the Catholic church, I would say you are on dangerous ground. Jesus did not draw party lines and neither should we. That would be like me saying that all mormons are unsaved. While I disagree with the mormon faith, I know of many that I would never even question as to their sincerity. Only Jesus knows the heart. From what I have seen, Thess and others in here from the Catholic or Orthodox faith have a heart for Christ.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

I agree Lyric's dad

 

[Solo]

My say so doesn't mean anything unless it aligns with the Word of God. Others who contradict the Word of God are in disagreement with me. If you teach a false doctrine, I will know it by the Holy Spirit that lives within me since my born again, born of above experience. Perhaps you too will be born again one day, and we can then become brothers in Christ.

I thought you didn't judge people Solo?

You really ought to do a study on judgment and judging. There is a great difference in judging and discerning, also in judging and warning. Perhaps if you recognize that it is my belief that the Word of God will judge all mankind, while believers are to discern false brethren, false doctrine, false institutions, etc.

I find it disturbing at best that you think yourself able to tell who is and who is not a Christian. While I do not agree with Thessalonian on some subjects, there has been nothing in his posting that would lead one to question his commitment to Christ. If you are basing this assumption solely on the fact that he attends the Catholic church, I would say you are on dangerous ground. Jesus did not draw party lines and neither should we. That would be like me saying that all mormons are unsaved. While I disagree with the mormon faith, I know of many that I would never even question as to their sincerity. Only Jesus knows the heart. From what I have seen, Thess and others in here from the Catholic or Orthodox faith have a heart for Christ.

A believer has no problem stating that one must be born again in order to be saved. It is not difficult to see those that are saved and those that think that they are saved and those that are not saved.

Those of the RCC believe they are saved upon entry into the Catholic Church at their baptism as an infant. Those of the Catholic or Orthodox faith may have a heart for Christ, but they deny the way to the Father through Jesus. When those of the RCC or Orthodox faiths can stand upon the Word of God instead of the institution that they call the One and Only true Church, then you might convince me that they are brethren; until then they are false brethren running on doctrines of devils. You shall know them by their fruits, and the most beligerant antiChristian folks on this forum claim to belong to the RCC or Orthodox Church.

Read this online book and tell me what the RCC (of which the Orthodox Church belonged until 1024 AD or so).

http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html

If you find the devil in any setting out to destroy people that are lost or saved, you better speak up and warn them, otherwise their blood is on your hands. If you find that the RCC is a scripturally based organization and teaches the gospel according to Jesus Christ, and that they are not bound up in teaching doctrines of devils and I'll join the Roman Catholic Church. I have never heard the gospel preached in a Roman Catholic Church.

Keep in mind that sincerety does not get a person saved from the sin passed down from Adam, nor does it save a person from their own sins. I don't care if one attends an Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Kingdom Hall, Baptist, Lutheran, Mosque, etc. etc. etc. etc.; if you are not born from above by the Holy Spirit of God through Jesus Christ drawn to God the Father by Himself, then one is not saved.

Of course we can be sweet and nice to all who are teaching a gospel other than the one that Jesus preached so that no one gets angry with us, and that way we won't end up like the martyrs described in Foxes Book of Martyrs, or as the Prophets who were killed for their prophecies.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodoxy, historical facts are entirely man made. You don't honestly believe that is something we should rely on for truth?

The History of the Church that Jesus Christ is building is the timeless work of the Holy Spirit. Are you now contributing the work of the Holy Spirit in the Church to that of man or satan?

Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I expect a great persicution of the Church in the days to come just for this reason alone.

The heterodox witches ignore the history of the Church they claim membership which will lead them to try and kill the "body of Christ". Really?

History is "man made" what a silly statement! What is America without it's history? America with its "traditions" and long history of "doing things". What hypocrasy!

What is "The Church" without its timeless history on the Earth?

Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodoxy]

Show me where Jesus placed a book with all the authority of His Father until you do I believe what the Church believes about Jesus Christ and the salvation of man over you and your personalized version of jesus.

One of my favorite scriptures is John 1:1-14 as it describes that Jesus is the Word, and it is not a mistake in my opinion that God uses the written word in the Bible to reveal his truth to his children. Notice the times that Jesus uses the phrase "it is written" when speaking to the various peoples.

ahh so only the "it is written" as authority of the Father? When Jesus said "it is written" He was speaking of the OT so I must assume the NT is invalid to you.

Do the words of Jesus Christ mean anything to you?

John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you

Where in that did Jesus ordain a book of paper? Jesus ordained men and that those men and their fruit should remain forever! According to the heterodox witchcraft faith Jesus failed and now needs a book to lead His Church and a 'Book" shall remain forever. Really? If all the bibles in the world were burned the fruits of men in the Church will remain and those "fruits" would write another bible!

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Maybe those of the "world" worship a book and hate the Church ordained men? Jesus chose men not a book. Why then do you worship a book with no authority? Because the "world" hates the "men" of God ordained and chosen by God to lead His Church by the Holy Spirit.

John 17:18, As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The Father has given Jesus all things and sent Him into the world with the power to forgive sins and give life. This same power, even the forgiveness of sins was given to men, not a book. A book cannot forgive sins. Jesus gave all the authority of His Father to "men" in the Church.

Jesus Christ sent 12 men "the Church" into the world with all the authority of His Father not a book.

I am to believe you over Jesus Christ?

Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodoxy]

Solo,

Those of the Catholic or Orthodox faith may have a heart for Christ, but they deny the way to the Father through Jesus.

The "body of Jesus Christ" is not "Him"? Jesus is the Church and the Church is Jesus. Like a islamofacist you have decapitated the Lord of Grace and taken the head only to place it on "your body".

When those of the RCC or Orthodox faiths can stand upon the Word of God instead of the institution that they call the One and Only true Church, then you might convince me that they are brethren; until then they are false brethren running on doctrines of devils.

Read this then condemn our "believe" pal, until then save your demonic condemnations.

The Orthodox believe in One Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all ages, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten not made, of one essence with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us and for our salvation, He came down from Heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became Man. He was crucified, also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died and was buried. The third day He rose again according to scriptures. He ascended into the heavens and sits at the right hand of the Father. And He will come again with Glory to judge both the living and the dead, and of His Kingdom there will be no end.

According to the heterodox witchcraft theology of "believe" the orthodox are saved. Stop trying to steal the salvation of others with your heterodox witchcraft! We believe pal, deal with it. Fact is the heterodox believe the Roman confession that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son. This "believe" changes the nature of God and the identity of Jesus Christ. It is you that "believes" another Jesus not the Orthodox.

You shall know them by their fruits, and the most beligerant antiChristian folks on this forum claim to belong to the RCC or Orthodox Church.

Ahh another fruit detector from the heterodox witchcraft camp come to condemn the Church for rotten fruit. Read some of the posts. The Orthodox on this forum have put up with the most vile prognostications from the heterodox witches. Get a mirror and remove the board from yer own eye before condemning the orthodox for the splinter in theirs.

Read this online book and tell me what the RCC (of which the Orthodox Church belonged until 1024 AD or so).

A roman dupe. You believe as the roman catholics claim that the orthodox Church (all four patriarchs) fell way from the Roman Cathoilic Faith. You have been duped by the deception of the roman pope. We still confess the faith delievered by the saints and documented in the Nicene Creed of 381 ad. It is the roman church that fell away in the heretical theology of dual procession which you I am certain believe yet ignore. Congrats you have been duped by rome.

If you find the devil in any setting out to destroy people that are lost or saved, you better speak up and warn them, otherwise their blood is on your hands. If you find that the RCC is a scripturally based organization and teaches the gospel according to Jesus Christ, and that they are not bound up in teaching doctrines of devils and I'll join the Roman Catholic Church. I have never heard the gospel preached in a Roman Catholic Church.

You are completely duped by the Roman Catholic faith. Your hatered shines forth as a beacon for all heathens to follow. Your arrogant ignorance is remarkable.

Of course we can be sweet and nice to all who are teaching a gospel other than the one that Jesus preached so that no one gets angry with us, and that way we won't end up like the martyrs described in Foxes Book of Martyrs, or as the Prophets who were killed for their prophecies.

Nice and sweet like a sour ball. Saying "false brethren running on doctrines of devils" is nice? Your fruit stinketh unto heaven.

Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodoxy]

von,

Question, What kind of doctorate degrees do you have behind your name?

zip. I was a protestant for 33 years. I just read the bible.

I don't see that Paul or Peter had any.

So what? We all should be as arrogantly ignorant as you? "study to show thy self approved does not mean "read the bible, only". Silly theology leads to silly salvation.

No, it does not say another Jesus and I apologize since it doesn't say another doctrine either. What it says in Galations 1:6-8 is, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Whether you believe it or not, Paul preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Acts 4:2- Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE other name under Heaven given among men whereby we MUST be saved.

2 Corinthians 11:4, For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

It is the roman and heterodox world that preaches "another Jesus" with the dual procession theology of demons.

So are you confessing to us that you are not saved?

No. It is your condemnation of the orthodox that claims that prognosticating poppycock. I have stated my belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God, light of light, true God of true God. I believe in Jesus Christ, your condemnation of me and the orthodox Church is witchcraft to the nth degree.

It doesn't matter about historical facts.

FACTS the enemy of TRUTH in the heterodox witchcraft faith! History is meaningless .... lets all get our "von" dunce caps on> :bday:

It matters what this Word says. I'm sure you have good intentions and feel like the way you were taught all of your life is right but maybe you should take a risk and with a sincere heart ask God to reveal His Word to you.

I was taught all my life with lies from the heterodox witches which you represent. Maybe you should stick your judgement up somewhere were the sun dont shine, eh? ahh yes my fruit is rotten because I told you to stick it but your fruit is "good" condemning people in the Orthodox Church, got ya.

I Cor. 1:27- Says that God has cosen the simple things of the world to confound the wise. He didn't make this gospel hard. Look at the kind of people Jesus came for. He came for the loweliest of the low.

Save your protestant witchcraft condemnations for someone that doesnt know any better. Using the bible to condemn and manipluate is plain witchcraft.

Let me ask you something, Why are you so defensive if you are so sure of yourself?

I defend the faith delievered as commanded in Jude.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I see you like to argue.

No, I like to polish rocks.

You really don't want to dicuss.

It would appear the heterodox witches are the ones that cannot debate theology without personal attacks on ones "salvation".

You are more concerned about proving your point which by the way you have proven absolutely nothing. You have not submitted one of these "facts" that you defend so much.

I have stated "facts" over and over yet the heterodox witches claim history is meaningless tripe. The work of the Holy Spirit in the Church is historical fact. Those that ignore this historical evidance blapheme the Holy Spirit and attribute His work to the devil. Unforgiveable sin? You bet. Repent and be baptised and you will also through humility and repentance recieve the Holy Spirit you most certainly condemn.

Orthodoxy

 

[Solo]

Show me where Jesus placed a book with all the authority of His Father until you do I believe what the Church believes about Jesus Christ and the salvation of man over you and your personalized version of jesus.

One of my favorite scriptures is John 1:1-14 as it describes that Jesus is the Word, and it is not a mistake in my opinion that God uses the written word in the Bible to reveal his truth to his children. Notice the times that Jesus uses the phrase "it is written" when speaking to the various peoples.

ahh so only the "it is written" as authority of the Father? When Jesus said "it is written" He was speaking of the OT so I must assume the NT is invalid to you.

Do the words of Jesus Christ mean anything to you?

John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you

Where in that did Jesus ordain a book of paper? Jesus ordained men and that those men and their fruit should remain forever! According to the heterodox witchcraft faith Jesus failed and now needs a book to lead His Church and a 'Book" shall remain forever. Really? If all the bibles in the world were burned the fruits of men in the Church will remain and those "fruits" would write another bible!

[quote:152c4]John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Maybe those of the "world" worship a book and hate the Church ordained men? Jesus chose men not a book. Why then do you worship a book with no authority? Because the "world" hates the "men" of God ordained and chosen by God to lead His Church by the Holy Spirit.

John 17:18, As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The Father has given Jesus all things and sent Him into the world with the power to forgive sins and give life. This same power, even the forgiveness of sins was given to men, not a book. A book cannot forgive sins. Jesus gave all the authority of His Father to "men" in the Church.

Jesus Christ sent 12 men "the Church" into the world with all the authority of His Father not a book.

I am to believe you over Jesus Christ?

Orthodoxy[/quote:152c4]
You are not a man of your word, and you are ridiculous in your assertions on this forum. Hopefully you will come to know Jesus as your savior one day. Until then you can argue your goofy points with others, I don't have time to give proofs to a blind man. Good day.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Show me where Jesus placed a book with all the authority of His Father until you do I believe what the Church believes about Jesus Christ and the salvation of man over you and your personalized version of jesus.

One of my favorite scriptures is John 1:1-14 as it describes that Jesus is the Word, and it is not a mistake in my opinion that God uses the written word in the Bible to reveal his truth to his children. Notice the times that Jesus uses the phrase "it is written" when speaking to the various peoples.

ahh so only the "it is written" as authority of the Father? When Jesus said "it is written" He was speaking of the OT so I must assume the NT is invalid to you.

Do the words of Jesus Christ mean anything to you?

John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you

Where in that did Jesus ordain a book of paper? Jesus ordained men and that those men and their fruit should remain forever! According to the heterodox witchcraft faith Jesus failed and now needs a book to lead His Church and a 'Book" shall remain forever. Really? If all the bibles in the world were burned the fruits of men in the Church will remain and those "fruits" would write another bible!

[quote:e85f8]John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Maybe those of the "world" worship a book and hate the Church ordained men? Jesus chose men not a book. Why then do you worship a book with no authority? Because the "world" hates the "men" of God ordained and chosen by God to lead His Church by the Holy Spirit.

[quote:e85f8]John 17:18, As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The Father has given Jesus all things and sent Him into the world with the power to forgive sins and give life. This same power, even the forgiveness of sins was given to men, not a book. A book cannot forgive sins. Jesus gave all the authority of His Father to "men" in the Church.

Jesus Christ sent 12 men "the Church" into the world with all the authority of His Father not a book.

I am to believe you over Jesus Christ?

Orthodoxy[/quote:e85f8]
You are not a man of your word, and you are ridiculous in your assertions on this forum. Hopefully you will come to know Jesus as your savior one day. Until then you can argue your goofy points with others, I don't have time to give proofs to a blind man. Good day.[/quote:e85f8]

Here again those darn facts obtained from the "infallible" and "final authority" insult the "intellegence" of the heterodox witchcraft mind which leads them to personal attacks and holier than thou judgements such as this:

You are not a man of your word

Those darn Christian facts.

Orthodoxy

 

[von]

Orthodoxy- You know what ? I didn't even know what religion you were. I did not condemn you and I don't even think you are what you claim to be. You are either a very angry person or one who has been given over. I have never met anyone in my life with so much hostility, not even atheists. I can sit and talk with an atheist and he may not agree with me but we can hold a conversation. You talk about condemning? I don't condemn you, I pity you. I truly in my heart feel sorry for you. I actually haven't heard anyone on this forum condemn you, but you sure have done alot of condemning. But, that is okay, they persecuted Jesus, and Christians will be persecuted also. I actually think that you are possessed. Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all. You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

To the moderator- you don't have to pull this thread on my account , I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodoxy- You know what ? I didn't even know what religion you were. I did not condemn you and I don't even think you are what you claim to be. You are either a very angry person or one who has been given over. I have never met anyone in my life with so much hostility, not even atheists. I can sit and talk with an atheist and he may not agree with me but we can hold a conversation. You talk about condemning? I don't condemn you, I pity you. I truly in my heart feel sorry for you. I actually haven't heard anyone on this forum condemn you, but you sure have done alot of condemning. But, that is okay, they persecuted Jesus, and Christians will be persecuted also. I actually think that you are possessed. Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all. You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

To the moderator- you don't have to pull this thread on my account , I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

If you cant take the heat best to get out of the fire. Like all heterodox you feel persicuted because you cannot "give account for your faith" nor can you answer basic christian questions. I find it interesting the heterodox major on the minors yet when real issues as the identity of Jesus Christ they poo poo as moot and meaningless (ie the Dual procession theology of the Roman Church). I find it even more bizzarre that protestants will bash and condemn the Roman Church for their understanding of Mary yet totally ignore the heresy of dual procession. It is laughable. Pity your self. I have done nothing but bust myths of the protestant theology and what do I get?

So are you confessing to us that you are not saved?

Ignorant questions like this and coy and evasive answers that do nothing but show the idiousy of the heterodox faith.

Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all.

Ignorance will be no defense at the last judgement seat.

Check ya later

Orthodoxy

 

[Solo]

Orthodoxy- You know what ? I didn't even know what religion you were. I did not condemn you and I don't even think you are what you claim to be. You are either a very angry person or one who has been given over. I have never met anyone in my life with so much hostility, not even atheists. I can sit and talk with an atheist and he may not agree with me but we can hold a conversation. You talk about condemning? I don't condemn you, I pity you. I truly in my heart feel sorry for you. I actually haven't heard anyone on this forum condemn you, but you sure have done alot of condemning. But, that is okay, they persecuted Jesus, and Christians will be persecuted also. I actually think that you are possessed. Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all. You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

To the moderator- you don't have to pull this thread on my account , I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

If you cant take the heat best to get out of the fire. Like all heterodox you feel persicuted because you cannot "give account for your faith" nor can you answer basic christian questions. I find it interesting the heterodox major on the minors yet when real issues as the identity of Jesus Christ they poo poo as moot and meaningless (ie the Dual procession theology of the Roman Church). I find it even more bizzarre that protestants will bash and condemn the Roman Church for their understanding of Mary yet totally ignore the heresy of dual procession. It is laughable. Pity your self. I have done nothing but bust myths of the protestant theology and what do I get?

So are you confessing to us that you are not saved?

Ignorant questions like this and coy and evasive answers that do nothing but show the idiousy of the heterodox faith.

[quote:750bd]Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all.

Ignorance will be no defense at the last judgement seat.

Check ya later

Orthodoxy[/quote:750bd]
You my friend are debating as one who is lost and without Jesus in his heart because of the way that you post. I suspect that you are closer to being a child of satan than you are a child of God. Do me a favor and prove me wrong by exhibiting the love of Christ, and give us a testimony of your faith in Jesus Christ. Also give us more scripture references to back up your arguments instead of pathetic opinions and fleshly perceptions.