Jesus alone saves?

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodoxy- You know what ? I didn't even know what religion you were. I did not condemn you and I don't even think you are what you claim to be. You are either a very angry person or one who has been given over. I have never met anyone in my life with so much hostility, not even atheists. I can sit and talk with an atheist and he may not agree with me but we can hold a conversation. You talk about condemning? I don't condemn you, I pity you. I truly in my heart feel sorry for you. I actually haven't heard anyone on this forum condemn you, but you sure have done alot of condemning. But, that is okay, they persecuted Jesus, and Christians will be persecuted also. I actually think that you are possessed. Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all. You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

To the moderator- you don't have to pull this thread on my account , I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

If you cant take the heat best to get out of the fire. Like all heterodox you feel persicuted because you cannot "give account for your faith" nor can you answer basic christian questions. I find it interesting the heterodox major on the minors yet when real issues as the identity of Jesus Christ they poo poo as moot and meaningless (ie the Dual procession theology of the Roman Church). I find it even more bizzarre that protestants will bash and condemn the Roman Church for their understanding of Mary yet totally ignore the heresy of dual procession. It is laughable. Pity your self. I have done nothing but bust myths of the protestant theology and what do I get?

So are you confessing to us that you are not saved?

Ignorant questions like this and coy and evasive answers that do nothing but show the idiousy of the heterodox faith.

[quote:1e0e7]Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all.

Ignorance will be no defense at the last judgement seat.

Check ya later

Orthodoxy

You my friend are debating as one who is lost and without Jesus in his heart because of the way that you post. I suspect that you are closer to being a child of satan than you are a child of God. Do me a favor and prove me wrong by exhibiting the love of Christ, and give us a testimony of your faith in Jesus Christ. Also give us more scripture references to back up your arguments instead of pathetic opinions and fleshly perceptions.[/quote:1e0e7]

To the moderator- you don't have to pull this thread on my account , I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

Lying does not seem to be a problem with you. We know who the father of lies is do we not. Now please remove yourself as you have stated from my thread so we can get back to the subject at hand or be willing to eat my dust.

Orthodoxy

 

[guibox]

Okay folks, lets cool our jets and get back to the topic at hand...

From my cursory reading of the first page of the thread, I think I need to maybe reiterate what Orthodoxy is saying...

The sacrifice of cross did take away our sins and made a bridge to the Father. In this our salvation is ASSURED. HOWEVER, it is not enough as we must believe and be drawn to the Son. This is done by God's leading and drawing power through the spirit. When we have come to Christ, we accept this gift and we are fully saved.

Unfortunately, all of you dyed-in-the-wool, Christ only preachers jumped the gun and misunderstood what Orthodoxy was saying.

We are saved by our belief in Christ's sacrifice but this belief comes from prompting by God through the Holy Spirit. In this the entire God head has a plan in the salvation process...

I fail to see why anyone has a problem with this line of thinking?

 

[Solo]

Orthodoxy- You know what ? I didn't even know what religion you were. I did not condemn you and I don't even think you are what you claim to be. You are either a very angry person or one who has been given over. I have never met anyone in my life with so much hostility, not even atheists. I can sit and talk with an atheist and he may not agree with me but we can hold a conversation. You talk about condemning? I don't condemn you, I pity you. I truly in my heart feel sorry for you. I actually haven't heard anyone on this forum condemn you, but you sure have done alot of condemning. But, that is okay, they persecuted Jesus, and Christians will be persecuted also. I actually think that you are possessed. Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all. You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

To the moderator- you don't have to pull this thread on my account , I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

If you cant take the heat best to get out of the fire. Like all heterodox you feel persicuted because you cannot "give account for your faith" nor can you answer basic christian questions. I find it interesting the heterodox major on the minors yet when real issues as the identity of Jesus Christ they poo poo as moot and meaningless (ie the Dual procession theology of the Roman Church). I find it even more bizzarre that protestants will bash and condemn the Roman Church for their understanding of Mary yet totally ignore the heresy of dual procession. It is laughable. Pity your self. I have done nothing but bust myths of the protestant theology and what do I get?

So are you confessing to us that you are not saved?

Ignorant questions like this and coy and evasive answers that do nothing but show the idiousy of the heterodox faith.

[quote:f8c3c]Look, I guess I'm not to smart after all.

Ignorance will be no defense at the last judgement seat.

Check ya later

Orthodoxy

You my friend are debating as one who is lost and without Jesus in his heart because of the way that you post. I suspect that you are closer to being a child of satan than you are a child of God. Do me a favor and prove me wrong by exhibiting the love of Christ, and give us a testimony of your faith in Jesus Christ. Also give us more scripture references to back up your arguments instead of pathetic opinions and fleshly perceptions.

To the moderator- you don't have to pull this thread on my account , I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

Lying does not seem to be a problem with you. We know who the father of lies is do we not. Now please remove yourself as you have stated from my thread so we can get back to the subject at hand or be willing to eat my dust.

Orthodoxy[/quote:f8c3c]
I did not post to the moderator to be removed as you have suggested. Perhaps the devil is closer to your camp than mine. In order to eat your dust, I would have to slow way down and get on my old path. I gave you a simple task of showing to this forum how you personally were saved as a testimony of your "Church is Jesus" philosophy. Please give scripture references in your answer.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Solo,

I did not post to the moderator to be removed as you have suggested.

I never suggested any such thing, silly man.

Perhaps the devil is closer to your camp than mine.

Demons always congregated around Jesus Christ so I am sure many demons are tares growing among the wheat. Perhaps I am one and if so I pray "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner!" Ya happy? I am a dirty rotten demon filled sinner that God must have mercy on to be saved.

In order to eat your dust, I would have to slow way down and get on my old path.

I am the Eucharist of my enemy. Get in line.

I gave you a simple task of showing to this forum how you personally were saved as a testimony of your "Church is Jesus" philosophy. Please give scripture references in your answer.

This is not the thread for it. Are you to arrogant to understand that or are you truely to stupid as you have already stated before about yourself? Tell ya what mr fruit detector I will post a testimony of my non christian walk as a protestant and my christian walk as an orthodox Christian in the "new member forum". Feel free to critize my life there if you wish.

I gave scriptural referances but here are some more:

Acts 8:3, But Saul began to destroy the church.

Was Paul was killing an "INVISIBLE NEBULAS DEAD" Christian Church on the Earth? Read on:

Acts 9:4-5, He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" "Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," He replied.

Here Saul is killing Christians on the earth, the organic body of Jesus Christ, the Church. The "Me" in the above verse is the Church. Jesus Christ tells Saul the community of people he is killing is His Body, the Church.

Thus there is an Organic Body of Jesus Christ on the earth to this day and as Jesus stated

“I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.â€Â

Jesus tells peter that upon his confession of Jesus being the “Son of the Living God†He would build His Church. Jesus is the cornerstone or rock and the apostles are the foundation Jesus built His Church upon. Jesus gave all authority to the Bishop’s in the Church in Matthew 18:16-18.

We are commanded to obey the doctrines and ordinances of the Church by both Jesus and the Apostles. Matthew 18:16-18, Hebrews 13:17 and 1 Corinthians 11:2.

Jesus’s Church did not fail and needs no reforming or restoration. Jesus said He would build a Church that is identifiable and tangible in the flesh on the earth. The Church Jesus built exists today in the Holy Orthodox Church.

and

Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the CHURCH, Which is his BODY, the FULNESS of HIM that filleth all in all.

The verse states Jesus is the head of His Church and the Father has placed Him in Authority of all things to "The Church", then says that "The Church" is His Body and is the fulness of Jesus Christ, just as Jesus is the Fulness of the Godhead in Colossians!

Apart from the Church there is no fullness in Christ. The heterodox (romans and protesters of rome) have a shallow one-dimensional faith in words written on paper subject to each and everyone’s own understanding. The fullness of Him is not each individual protester with their own understanding and doctrine. The Holy Orthodox Church is the fulness of Jesus Christ, bodily, in the flesh. Those that deny Jesus Christ in the flesh are.....

1 Corinthians 12:12:14 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

The Church community of believers is One. The Church has One Mind, that holds fast to the One Faith, by the One Baptism through the anointing of the One Holy Spirit, that uses One Judgment placing themselves in One Accord with no divisions on doctrine and traditions. Are you sure you want more scriptural proof texting?

Unless a man can honestly say he holds fast to this One Faith found in the One Body of Jesus Christ your not in the Church, simple scriptural fact.

Jesus Christ had and has specific “rituals and traditions†of the Father in His Life. These “rituals and traditions†define the life of Christ thus to claim to be “IN†Jesus Christ one must be “IN†the His body, the Church that performs these specific actions in the Life of Jesus. No one man can be a Church unto himself and independent of the Body of Christ. The Church “body is not one member, but manyâ€Â. If a man is not in fellowship with the Church that holds fast to the teachings and doctrines of Jesus Christ then that man is not Christian. No lone rangers exist in the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God functions as a unified Body with one mind and spirit. There is no one man Church or personalized church. There are no “home alone churchesâ€Â. If the Church has one spirit then the Church functions, thinks, reacts, moves and lives in one accord, in one mind and one faith. Millions of differing traditions and doctrines each set forth by individual “Christians†is NOT the Church Jesus Built nor is it Christianity.

One more just for kicks:

John 3:13, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Here is a most amazing quote from Jesus Christ, the Son of man. Think of it, you are standing with Jesus Christ, face to face, able to touch Him and give Him hugs and He says, "even the Son of man which is in heaven". Now certainly Jesus is no idiot so how can he say "which is in Heaven"? Huh? You are in Heaven also Jesus? How so?

Ephesians 3:10, 14-15, To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God……..For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

The Church is the whole family of God. The Body of Jesus Christ on the Earth is also in Heaven. Plainly Jesus Christ saw Himself both in heaven and on the earth at the same time, unending, unfailing, unchanging, uncompromised, unadauterated, eternal, glorious, without end and transending time and space.

You read those verses then if you are still around from your tirade and emotional rant that I never use proof texts from the Scripture, get basck with me for a reasonable debate on Christian facts.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

BTW I told the Hiedi and her cohort swine callers to leave, AGAIN. I dont know are you a "swine caller"? Is that NO or KNOW? Do I know common sense or do I have no common sense, eh?

I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

I don't have time to give proofs to a blind man. Good day.

Please leave this "swine" before you make more of a fool of yourself. Your credibility is waning with each post on this thread. Sure sounds like "I am taking my ball and going home" to me. Feel free to remain on the forum until you read my "New Member" post then kindly leave or remain a liar.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now.

Your words not mine. You should not allow your emotions to over come your key board.

You are welcome to stay on the thread if you want to discuss the topic otherwise keep your personalized condemnations of me to your pathetic holy self. Thanks.

Unworthy Servant,

Orthodoxy

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Wow! Goodness me *shakes head*

 

[Orthodoxy]

Wow! Goodness me *shakes head*

Su we!

Golly gee cup cake is that the best you got?

Orthodoxy

PS. This thread is about the Holy Trinity's work in the salvation of man over the heterodox teaching that Jesus alone saves a man. Please refrain from commenting in this thread unless it pertains to this topic.

Thanks :D

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Just in awe at your lovely posts there orthodoxy. And I can comment where i like - thanks all the same God...oh I mean Orthodoxy.

 

[Solo]

Solo,

I did not post to the moderator to be removed as you have suggested.

I never suggested any such thing, silly man.

[quote:418f4]Perhaps the devil is closer to your camp than mine.

Demons always congregated around Jesus Christ so I am sure many demons are tares growing among the wheat. Perhaps I am one and if so I pray "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner!" Ya happy? I am a dirty rotten demon filled sinner that God must have mercy on to be saved.

In order to eat your dust, I would have to slow way down and get on my old path.

I am the Eucharist of my enemy. Get in line.

I gave you a simple task of showing to this forum how you personally were saved as a testimony of your "Church is Jesus" philosophy. Please give scripture references in your answer.

This is not the thread for it. Are you to arrogant to understand that or are you truely to stupid as you have already stated before about yourself? Tell ya what mr fruit detector I will post a testimony of my non christian walk as a protestant and my christian walk as an orthodox Christian in the "new member forum". Feel free to critize my life there if you wish.

I gave scriptural referances but here are some more:

Acts 8:3, But Saul began to destroy the church.

Was Paul was killing an "INVISIBLE NEBULAS DEAD" Christian Church on the Earth? Read on:

Acts 9:4-5, He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" "Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," He replied.

Here Saul is killing Christians on the earth, the organic body of Jesus Christ, the Church. The "Me" in the above verse is the Church. Jesus Christ tells Saul the community of people he is killing is His Body, the Church.

Thus there is an Organic Body of Jesus Christ on the earth to this day and as Jesus stated

“I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.â€Â

Jesus tells peter that upon his confession of Jesus being the “Son of the Living God†He would build His Church. Jesus is the cornerstone or rock and the apostles are the foundation Jesus built His Church upon. Jesus gave all authority to the Bishop’s in the Church in Matthew 18:16-18.

We are commanded to obey the doctrines and ordinances of the Church by both Jesus and the Apostles. Matthew 18:16-18, Hebrews 13:17 and 1 Corinthians 11:2.

Jesus’s Church did not fail and needs no reforming or restoration. Jesus said He would build a Church that is identifiable and tangible in the flesh on the earth. The Church Jesus built exists today in the Holy Orthodox Church.

and

Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the CHURCH, Which is his BODY, the FULNESS of HIM that filleth all in all.

The verse states Jesus is the head of His Church and the Father has placed Him in Authority of all things to "The Church", then says that "The Church" is His Body and is the fulness of Jesus Christ, just as Jesus is the Fulness of the Godhead in Colossians!

Apart from the Church there is no fullness in Christ. The heterodox (romans and protesters of rome) have a shallow one-dimensional faith in words written on paper subject to each and everyone’s own understanding. The fullness of Him is not each individual protester with their own understanding and doctrine. The Holy Orthodox Church is the fulness of Jesus Christ, bodily, in the flesh. Those that deny Jesus Christ in the flesh are.....

1 Corinthians 12:12:14 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

The Church community of believers is One. The Church has One Mind, that holds fast to the One Faith, by the One Baptism through the anointing of the One Holy Spirit, that uses One Judgment placing themselves in One Accord with no divisions on doctrine and traditions. Are you sure you want more scriptural proof texting?

Unless a man can honestly say he holds fast to this One Faith found in the One Body of Jesus Christ your not in the Church, simple scriptural fact.

Jesus Christ had and has specific “rituals and traditions†of the Father in His Life. These “rituals and traditions†define the life of Christ thus to claim to be “IN†Jesus Christ one must be “IN†the His body, the Church that performs these specific actions in the Life of Jesus. No one man can be a Church unto himself and independent of the Body of Christ. The Church “body is not one member, but manyâ€Â. If a man is not in fellowship with the Church that holds fast to the teachings and doctrines of Jesus Christ then that man is not Christian. No lone rangers exist in the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God functions as a unified Body with one mind and spirit. There is no one man Church or personalized church. There are no “home alone churchesâ€Â. If the Church has one spirit then the Church functions, thinks, reacts, moves and lives in one accord, in one mind and one faith. Millions of differing traditions and doctrines each set forth by individual “Christians†is NOT the Church Jesus Built nor is it Christianity.

One more just for kicks:

John 3:13, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Here is a most amazing quote from Jesus Christ, the Son of man. Think of it, you are standing with Jesus Christ, face to face, able to touch Him and give Him hugs and He says, "even the Son of man which is in heaven". Now certainly Jesus is no idiot so how can he say "which is in Heaven"? Huh? You are in Heaven also Jesus? How so?

Ephesians 3:10, 14-15, To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God……..For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

The Church is the whole family of God. The Body of Jesus Christ on the Earth is also in Heaven. Plainly Jesus Christ saw Himself both in heaven and on the earth at the same time, unending, unfailing, unchanging, uncompromised, unadauterated, eternal, glorious, without end and transending time and space.

You read those verses then if you are still around from your tirade and emotional rant that I never use proof texts from the Scripture, get basck with me for a reasonable debate on Christian facts.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

BTW I told the Hiedi and her cohort swine callers to leave, AGAIN. I dont know are you a "swine caller"? Is that NO or KNOW? Do I know common sense or do I have no common sense, eh?

I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

I don't have time to give proofs to a blind man. Good day.

Please leave this "swine" before you make more of a fool of yourself. Your credibility is waning with each post on this thread. Sure sounds like "I am taking my ball and going home" to me. Feel free to remain on the forum until you read my "New Member" post then kindly leave or remain a liar.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now.

Your words not mine. You should not allow your emotions to over come your key board.

You are welcome to stay on the thread if you want to discuss the topic otherwise keep your personalized condemnations of me to your pathetic holy self. Thanks.

Unworthy Servant,

Orthodoxy[/quote:418f4]
Orthodoxy
If you continue to post in this manner, you will be asked to leave this forum. Shape up or ship out.
Michael

 

[Orthodoxy]

Solo,

I did not post to the moderator to be removed as you have suggested.

I never suggested any such thing, silly man.

[quote:a1d2d]Perhaps the devil is closer to your camp than mine.

Demons always congregated around Jesus Christ so I am sure many demons are tares growing among the wheat. Perhaps I am one and if so I pray "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner!" Ya happy? I am a dirty rotten demon filled sinner that God must have mercy on to be saved.

[quote:a1d2d]In order to eat your dust, I would have to slow way down and get on my old path.

I am the Eucharist of my enemy. Get in line.

I gave you a simple task of showing to this forum how you personally were saved as a testimony of your "Church is Jesus" philosophy. Please give scripture references in your answer.

This is not the thread for it. Are you to arrogant to understand that or are you truely to stupid as you have already stated before about yourself? Tell ya what mr fruit detector I will post a testimony of my non christian walk as a protestant and my christian walk as an orthodox Christian in the "new member forum". Feel free to critize my life there if you wish.

I gave scriptural referances but here are some more:

Acts 8:3, But Saul began to destroy the church.

Was Paul was killing an "INVISIBLE NEBULAS DEAD" Christian Church on the Earth? Read on:

Acts 9:4-5, He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" "Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," He replied.

Here Saul is killing Christians on the earth, the organic body of Jesus Christ, the Church. The "Me" in the above verse is the Church. Jesus Christ tells Saul the community of people he is killing is His Body, the Church.

Thus there is an Organic Body of Jesus Christ on the earth to this day and as Jesus stated

“I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.â€Â

Jesus tells peter that upon his confession of Jesus being the “Son of the Living God†He would build His Church. Jesus is the cornerstone or rock and the apostles are the foundation Jesus built His Church upon. Jesus gave all authority to the Bishop’s in the Church in Matthew 18:16-18.

We are commanded to obey the doctrines and ordinances of the Church by both Jesus and the Apostles. Matthew 18:16-18, Hebrews 13:17 and 1 Corinthians 11:2.

Jesus’s Church did not fail and needs no reforming or restoration. Jesus said He would build a Church that is identifiable and tangible in the flesh on the earth. The Church Jesus built exists today in the Holy Orthodox Church.

and

Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the CHURCH, Which is his BODY, the FULNESS of HIM that filleth all in all.

The verse states Jesus is the head of His Church and the Father has placed Him in Authority of all things to "The Church", then says that "The Church" is His Body and is the fulness of Jesus Christ, just as Jesus is the Fulness of the Godhead in Colossians!

Apart from the Church there is no fullness in Christ. The heterodox (romans and protesters of rome) have a shallow one-dimensional faith in words written on paper subject to each and everyone’s own understanding. The fullness of Him is not each individual protester with their own understanding and doctrine. The Holy Orthodox Church is the fulness of Jesus Christ, bodily, in the flesh. Those that deny Jesus Christ in the flesh are.....

1 Corinthians 12:12:14 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

The Church community of believers is One. The Church has One Mind, that holds fast to the One Faith, by the One Baptism through the anointing of the One Holy Spirit, that uses One Judgment placing themselves in One Accord with no divisions on doctrine and traditions. Are you sure you want more scriptural proof texting?

Unless a man can honestly say he holds fast to this One Faith found in the One Body of Jesus Christ your not in the Church, simple scriptural fact.

Jesus Christ had and has specific “rituals and traditions†of the Father in His Life. These “rituals and traditions†define the life of Christ thus to claim to be “IN†Jesus Christ one must be “IN†the His body, the Church that performs these specific actions in the Life of Jesus. No one man can be a Church unto himself and independent of the Body of Christ. The Church “body is not one member, but manyâ€Â. If a man is not in fellowship with the Church that holds fast to the teachings and doctrines of Jesus Christ then that man is not Christian. No lone rangers exist in the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God functions as a unified Body with one mind and spirit. There is no one man Church or personalized church. There are no “home alone churchesâ€Â. If the Church has one spirit then the Church functions, thinks, reacts, moves and lives in one accord, in one mind and one faith. Millions of differing traditions and doctrines each set forth by individual “Christians†is NOT the Church Jesus Built nor is it Christianity.

One more just for kicks:

John 3:13, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Here is a most amazing quote from Jesus Christ, the Son of man. Think of it, you are standing with Jesus Christ, face to face, able to touch Him and give Him hugs and He says, "even the Son of man which is in heaven". Now certainly Jesus is no idiot so how can he say "which is in Heaven"? Huh? You are in Heaven also Jesus? How so?

Ephesians 3:10, 14-15, To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God……..For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

The Church is the whole family of God. The Body of Jesus Christ on the Earth is also in Heaven. Plainly Jesus Christ saw Himself both in heaven and on the earth at the same time, unending, unfailing, unchanging, uncompromised, unadauterated, eternal, glorious, without end and transending time and space.

You read those verses then if you are still around from your tirade and emotional rant that I never use proof texts from the Scripture, get basck with me for a reasonable debate on Christian facts.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

BTW I told the Hiedi and her cohort swine callers to leave, AGAIN. I dont know are you a "swine caller"? Is that NO or KNOW? Do I know common sense or do I have no common sense, eh?

I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

I don't have time to give proofs to a blind man. Good day.

Please leave this "swine" before you make more of a fool of yourself. Your credibility is waning with each post on this thread. Sure sounds like "I am taking my ball and going home" to me. Feel free to remain on the forum until you read my "New Member" post then kindly leave or remain a liar.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now.

Your words not mine. You should not allow your emotions to over come your key board.

You are welcome to stay on the thread if you want to discuss the topic otherwise keep your personalized condemnations of me to your pathetic holy self. Thanks.

Unworthy Servant,

Orthodoxy[/quote:a1d2d]
Orthodoxy
If you continue to post in this manner, you will be asked to leave this forum. Shape up or ship out.
Michael[/quote:a1d2d]

ahh straight from the might OZ. If you are a moderator and this is any example of the moderation on this forum be my guest and boot me for exosing you for what you are.

So much for this thread.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Solo,

I did not post to the moderator to be removed as you have suggested.

I never suggested any such thing, silly man.

[quote:a2781]Perhaps the devil is closer to your camp than mine.

Demons always congregated around Jesus Christ so I am sure many demons are tares growing among the wheat. Perhaps I am one and if so I pray "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner!" Ya happy? I am a dirty rotten demon filled sinner that God must have mercy on to be saved.

[quote:a2781]In order to eat your dust, I would have to slow way down and get on my old path.

I am the Eucharist of my enemy. Get in line.

I gave you a simple task of showing to this forum how you personally were saved as a testimony of your "Church is Jesus" philosophy. Please give scripture references in your answer.

This is not the thread for it. Are you to arrogant to understand that or are you truely to stupid as you have already stated before about yourself? Tell ya what mr fruit detector I will post a testimony of my non christian walk as a protestant and my christian walk as an orthodox Christian in the "new member forum". Feel free to critize my life there if you wish.

I gave scriptural referances but here are some more:

Acts 8:3, But Saul began to destroy the church.

Was Paul was killing an "INVISIBLE NEBULAS DEAD" Christian Church on the Earth? Read on:

Acts 9:4-5, He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" "Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," He replied.

Here Saul is killing Christians on the earth, the organic body of Jesus Christ, the Church. The "Me" in the above verse is the Church. Jesus Christ tells Saul the community of people he is killing is His Body, the Church.

Thus there is an Organic Body of Jesus Christ on the earth to this day and as Jesus stated

“I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.â€Â

Jesus tells peter that upon his confession of Jesus being the “Son of the Living God†He would build His Church. Jesus is the cornerstone or rock and the apostles are the foundation Jesus built His Church upon. Jesus gave all authority to the Bishop’s in the Church in Matthew 18:16-18.

We are commanded to obey the doctrines and ordinances of the Church by both Jesus and the Apostles. Matthew 18:16-18, Hebrews 13:17 and 1 Corinthians 11:2.

Jesus’s Church did not fail and needs no reforming or restoration. Jesus said He would build a Church that is identifiable and tangible in the flesh on the earth. The Church Jesus built exists today in the Holy Orthodox Church.

and

Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the CHURCH, Which is his BODY, the FULNESS of HIM that filleth all in all.

The verse states Jesus is the head of His Church and the Father has placed Him in Authority of all things to "The Church", then says that "The Church" is His Body and is the fulness of Jesus Christ, just as Jesus is the Fulness of the Godhead in Colossians!

Apart from the Church there is no fullness in Christ. The heterodox (romans and protesters of rome) have a shallow one-dimensional faith in words written on paper subject to each and everyone’s own understanding. The fullness of Him is not each individual protester with their own understanding and doctrine. The Holy Orthodox Church is the fulness of Jesus Christ, bodily, in the flesh. Those that deny Jesus Christ in the flesh are.....

1 Corinthians 12:12:14 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

The Church community of believers is One. The Church has One Mind, that holds fast to the One Faith, by the One Baptism through the anointing of the One Holy Spirit, that uses One Judgment placing themselves in One Accord with no divisions on doctrine and traditions. Are you sure you want more scriptural proof texting?

Unless a man can honestly say he holds fast to this One Faith found in the One Body of Jesus Christ your not in the Church, simple scriptural fact.

Jesus Christ had and has specific “rituals and traditions†of the Father in His Life. These “rituals and traditions†define the life of Christ thus to claim to be “IN†Jesus Christ one must be “IN†the His body, the Church that performs these specific actions in the Life of Jesus. No one man can be a Church unto himself and independent of the Body of Christ. The Church “body is not one member, but manyâ€Â. If a man is not in fellowship with the Church that holds fast to the teachings and doctrines of Jesus Christ then that man is not Christian. No lone rangers exist in the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God functions as a unified Body with one mind and spirit. There is no one man Church or personalized church. There are no “home alone churchesâ€Â. If the Church has one spirit then the Church functions, thinks, reacts, moves and lives in one accord, in one mind and one faith. Millions of differing traditions and doctrines each set forth by individual “Christians†is NOT the Church Jesus Built nor is it Christianity.

One more just for kicks:

John 3:13, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Here is a most amazing quote from Jesus Christ, the Son of man. Think of it, you are standing with Jesus Christ, face to face, able to touch Him and give Him hugs and He says, "even the Son of man which is in heaven". Now certainly Jesus is no idiot so how can he say "which is in Heaven"? Huh? You are in Heaven also Jesus? How so?

Ephesians 3:10, 14-15, To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God……..For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named

The Church is the whole family of God. The Body of Jesus Christ on the Earth is also in Heaven. Plainly Jesus Christ saw Himself both in heaven and on the earth at the same time, unending, unfailing, unchanging, uncompromised, unadauterated, eternal, glorious, without end and transending time and space.

You read those verses then if you are still around from your tirade and emotional rant that I never use proof texts from the Scripture, get basck with me for a reasonable debate on Christian facts.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now. I can't be bothered with people who have know common sense.

BTW I told the Hiedi and her cohort swine callers to leave, AGAIN. I dont know are you a "swine caller"? Is that NO or KNOW? Do I know common sense or do I have no common sense, eh?

I won't be bothering anymore. I have more important things to do than this.

I don't have time to give proofs to a blind man. Good day.

Please leave this "swine" before you make more of a fool of yourself. Your credibility is waning with each post on this thread. Sure sounds like "I am taking my ball and going home" to me. Feel free to remain on the forum until you read my "New Member" post then kindly leave or remain a liar.

You told me to leave this forum and I didn't but I will now.

Your words not mine. You should not allow your emotions to over come your key board.

You are welcome to stay on the thread if you want to discuss the topic otherwise keep your personalized condemnations of me to your pathetic holy self. Thanks.

Unworthy Servant,

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If you continue to post in this manner, you will be asked to leave this forum. Shape up or ship out.
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ahh straight from the mighty OZ. If you are a moderator and this is any example of the moderation on this forum be my guest and boot me for exosing you for what you are.

So much for this thread.

 

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Solo,

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Orthodoxy here are just a few of the rules you have broken here. You might want to get familiar with our TOS and conduct yourself in an appropriate manner..

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