Jesus as co-Creator

[Imagican]

Well, this whole discussion spills over into belief in the Trinity. The Bible says that "GOD" created the heavens and the earth. Since Jesus IS GOD - the Second Person of the Trinity - that means he is creator, along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The only way you can say Jesus is not creator is by denying that Jesus is God. That is the ancient heresy of Arianism, which the JW's still believe.

Not offered as 'argument'. But what would you say to this: If God willed that something be done through 'someone else', would it not be sufficient to SAY that it was done 'by God'? When Moses cast down his staff and it transformed into a serpent, WHO would YOU say caused this transformation? Moses or God? Of course it is obvious that it was the power of God that performed this act THROUGH Moses.

Now the important issue as concerns this conversation; Is it not JUST as possible that God DID create the universe but THROUGH Christ? And this without Christ BEING God Himself? I am NOT asking that it be agreed upon that Christ is NOT God, what I am asking is whether it's possible or not to attribute that which is done THROUGH others to God Himself?

While many would accuse my understanding with Arianism, what I would much more prefer to be accused of it Mikeism. For when my understanding was developed, I had NEVER even HEARD of Arian before.

And once again, all that your accusation of heresy is nothing other than a continuation in a belief that has no authentic bearing on ANYTHING other than a 'group' of people that decided AGAINST Arianism. That did not nor DOES IT make THEM right. For we can clearly see that there has NEVER been a 'group of men' that were NOT falible. That even those that PRETEND to be 'led by God' and infalible have been proven over and over to have made not ONE error, but MANY MANY errors. PROVING that their claims of infalibilty are falicious at best.

Flat earth, earth the center of the universe, TONS of ideas and beliefs that were taught by churches as FACTS have since been proven only 'fairy tales', or 'made up' information that had NO bearing on the truth.

Blessings,

MEC