This explains a lot.Running is a unitarian. That means he belittles Jesus.
Strengthening families through biblical principles.
Focus on the Family addresses the use of biblical principles in parenting and marriage to strengthen the family.
Read daily articles from Focus on the Family in the Marriage and Parenting Resources forum.
This explains a lot.Running is a unitarian. That means he belittles Jesus.
In the parable, does the lost Sheep remain lost ?Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
So, Jesus is speaking of other shepherds, not of Himself. Afterall, He doesn't so much as lose one of them.
Hey hey we agree on pretty much all of that, with the main point being that multiple spiritual births and deaths are possible. I know this because the Bible does say that sin results is death. Pretty sure that doesn't just apply to the first and only sin someone commits. Basically, if someone can't degenerate or spiritually die again then we are back to the old license to sin conundrum which the Bible doesn't allow. This is why Jesus and the disciples not only directly taught people to stop sinning, but about what specific things to practice and what specific things to avoid.Only by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. There was no regeneration.
Psa 51:3For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
There was repentance and forgiveness of sins, but not washing them away by the blood of the Lamb, with a new pure conscience toward God.
Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
This has been the heart's desire of the repented righteous, that could not be fuflilled unto Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day.
True. With the latter end being worse than the first.
Exactly. Every soul is still created by Christ in His image, and born into the world lightened by Him.
True. Beginning with being generated pure of heart from the womb,
Isa 44:2Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.
And having done neither good nor evil,
Rom 9:11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
And since all have sinned after being created and come into the world, beginning with Adam, all have degenerated in death and separation from God.
All believers preaching sin nature from birth, are not only ignorantly accusing Christ of creating sinners in the womb.
But some are doing so to justify their continued sinning with the flesh, by being the 'sinful' body's fault, or at least being partly responsible for what we do with the body.
Funny, while many chastice their bodies for being sinful, I never here them honoring their bodies for doing good. Why is that? The body always gets the bad rap, while it's their souls that get the good rep.
True. The regenerate/degenerate cycle of a double heart, may tempt the Lord to give us up to a reprobate mind, with no possibility of repentance, without conviction of the Spirit of grace to lead us back to God.
I've at least one believer that fully swallowed the lie of already being forgiven of present and future sins. He talked openly about fornicating again, because he knew he would already be forgiven again.
Rom 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened...Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:...Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
I am a Unitarian but that's unfair and incorrect to say I belittle Jesus. I love Jesus and he is my Lord and Savior. I represent him the way he represented himself, as God's Son, the Messiah, the Son of Man, God's servant, and prophet; but no Jesus never said he is God so neither will I. None of this is disrespectful or diminishes Jesus rightful place as the human Messiah.Running is a unitarian. That means he belittles Jesus.
Jesus is God.I am a Unitarian but that's unfair and incorrect to say I belittle Jesus. I love Jesus and he is my Lord and Savior. I represent him the way he represented himself, as God's Son, the Messiah, the Son of Man, God's servant, and prophet; but no Jesus never said he is God so neither will I. None of this is disrespectful or diminishes Jesus rightful place as the human Messiah.
Where did you get the idea I "belittle Jesus?"
Jesus is God.
1 John says you are a liar and do not belong to Him.
1 Joh 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
Jesus is God come in the flesh.Being the Christ isn't the same thing as being God nor do they mean the same things. Christ means someone is the anointed one. So your verses don't apply to me.
Who made Jesus both Lord and Christ? God made Jesus the Lord and Christ. Means God and Jesus aren't the same person.
Acts 2
36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Not according to Scripture.Jesus is God come in the flesh.
God doesn't contradict the Bible.Only the Holy Spirit can open your eyes to that.
Indeed. I suppose we will each follow our convictions.There are many threads on this forum about it.
But you also believe Judas was saved so there is that as well.
Never heard of a regenerate being convicted that Jesus is not God.Not according to Scripture.
God doesn't contradict the Bible.
Indeed. I suppose we will each follow our convictions.
Knowledge of who Jesus is is in scripture, not much to do with being regenerate. Some people see this, others don't.Never heard of a regenerate being convicted that Jesus is not God.
You should listen more then.Your theology is missing the mark.
No need to have anymore conversations.
Grace and peace to you.
So you believe that if Jesus were God, there would be two Gods?concerning the Father, that He is the only true God.
If the Father is the only true God and then Jesus is also God then that would be a contradiction if the Father and Son are not the same person. So since the Father is not the Son then the options are that only the Father is God and Jesus isn't or the are they same person.So you believe that if Jesus were God, there would be two Gods?
True. Salvation can be cast away and restored as clothing:Hey hey we agree on pretty much all of that, with the main point being that multiple spiritual births and deaths are possible. I know this because the Bible does say that sin results is death. Pretty sure that doesn't just apply to the first and only sin someone commits.
I.e. if a believer can't be condemned and separated from God by their own sin, then they must forever be 'unconditionally' reconciled to God with 'secured' eternal fellowship, even while found sinning against Christ. They walk in the light, even as they do works of darkness. They are sons of God by faith alone, and are children of the devil by works of unrighteousness.Basically, if someone can't degenerate or spiritually die again then we are back to the old license to sin conundrum which the Bible doesn't allow.
Just a little tweak: Jesus commands us to stop the sinning. He teaches us how by His faith and Spirit to sin not, even as He did not on earth. And of course the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus Christ, is that it begins with repenting from all our sins and trespasses to sin no more for His name's sake.This is why Jesus and the disciples not only directly taught people to stop sinning, but about what specific things to practice and what specific things to avoid.
This is only true, if someone is arguing from unbelief in the Word Jesus Christ coming in the flesh.If the Father is the only true God and then Jesus is also God then that would be a contradiction if the Father and Son are not the same person.
Or, the Son Jesus Christ is the Word come in the flesh, and He is not the same person as the Father nor the Holy Ghost.So since the Father is not the Son then the options are that only the Father is God and Jesus isn't or the are they same person.
If Unitarian is unbelief in Jesus Christ the true God, then Unitarian is false pertaining to the faith of Jesus Christ the Son of God.This basic reasoning is how some rightly become Unitarian or mistakenly become Oneness types.
Not when the true God the Father is the only One in heaven, while the true God the Son and Spirit is on earth.The qualifier "only" true God doesn't leave a lot of room for others to be the true God does it?
Mat 4:3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God,If Jesus is also God
Not the same person, but no different in being God. The Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is one perfect unity of three eternal Persons being God.then he would be a different person who is God just like the Father is a different person who is God.
That would be 2 Gods, if the Father and Son were 1 + 1.That would be two Gods.
In that Scripture, yes.In the parable, does the lost Sheep remain lost ?
False, the Lost Sheep is found and brought to repentance Lk 15:4-7In that Scripture, yes.
But that's another Christ Shepherd. Yours is better than Him, because yours never loses one in the first place.
So now you agree the Christ you preached, that never so much as loses a sheep, is false, and not the true Christ and Shepherd of Scripture that does have sheep lost, and then seeks to find each and every one of them.False,
the Lost Sheep is found and brought to repentance Lk 15:4-7