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Jesus In The Quran ?

Free said:
Yes, let's be rational and use logic and address just a couple of your responses. Looking at your response to point 5, firstly, there is no context. The Bible has context as it tells a continuous story, the Qur'an does not as it is a collection of sayings. Secondly, it is a contradiction. Your analogy doesn't work since God making "a mountain so big he can't lift it," is an error in logic. God having children, however, presents no such logical error.

As to your point 6, how do you know those aren't literal claims? Prove that those statements aren't to be taken literally.
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I'm not a Muslim, so I certainly won't be able to answer all your questions, nor to I even agree with everything they believe. What I've done is take a handful of those objections and show you how shallow they are. That kind of questioning is what gets me annoyed when directed at Christians, so I wouldn't want others to experience it. I'd rather that discussion and debate be much more profound that that.

I think that both religious texts are written in a different literary style in a different culture. You'll notice more similarities between the Old Testament and the Quran than the New Testament and the Quran because one testament is written with an eastern cultural perspective and the other with a western one.

The only reason God having children makes sense to us, is because our scriptures are completely based on. Think for a moment from their perspective. Is God anthropological? No. He doesn't even physically exist in our universe. They see a nonphysical God and find it absurd that he would have a child. It's a logical error to them. They may not be right, but I don't view that as a contradiction. It looks to me more like a misunderstanding of who God is. Perhaps I'm a little more forgiving about this than you are.

As for #6...I don't know, but rather than looking for contradictions, I look for how it meshes. I absolutely hate when people do this to my Bible. Don't take a historical book and look for how it's inconsistent, rather we should look to see how it IS consistent. We never take other pieces of literature and tear them apart, yet religious texts are the first to be criticized. If in context there's a contradiction, then sure, we should recognize that, but most of the ones listed above are outright wrong, and even someone who is not a Muslim can see that.
 
There are no contradictions in the King James bible it was penned by men directed by the holy spirit to say otherwise is to give credence to the devil and his "hath God said"

II Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

On the other hand the Qur'an was penned by men directed by evil spirits..

tob
 
turnoburn wrote
On the other hand the Qur'an was penned by men directed by evil spirits..
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The Quran testifies about Christ and that he is God ask a Muslim if the word of God is eternal and ask who the word is in the bible because the koran also says the bible is true so they have to admit jesus is the word and the word is God and is Allah
 
Did you know muslims also believe Christ i will return. Like others like the Jews they do not yet recognise Messiah is God. I dont know of Mohammeds reason.
 
Ask any Muslim if Allahs word is eternal, they will say yes .In the bible it states Jesus is the word and they have to admit that Jesus is the word because the Koran says the bible is true but they dont fully realise it yet. If you read the Koran which was written 500 years after Christ it is very similiar to the Bible much of it is exactly the same in soem of the verses.SO if Mohammed knew the bible i dont know
 
Well of course they will not but they will say he was a prophet. Just like the 1st centruy many denied the diety of Christ even some of the beleivers did not fully understand Jesus. BUt they beleive he will return their Mahadi will come before him to fight the war of armaggedon
to make the way for the return of Christ. The unveiling of who Christ is will take place amongst all nations tribes and tongues
 
Yes of course i did not say anything contrary. Peace , love and joy are universal principles and we can all share in the divine nature of Christ whatever religion we go to. The unveiling of what and who the divine nature is , is beautiful when we seek it and find it
 
That's all well and good and IMO they are as free as anybody else to practice their religion (so long as they do so peacefully, which many of them do), but if they don't accept Jesus as God that just won't cut it so far as getting into heaven.
 
phil marriner said:
The Quran testifies about Christ and that he is God ask a Muslim if the word of God is eternal and ask who the word is in the bible because the koran also says the bible is true so they have to admit jesus is the word and the word is God and is Allah
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It does not say that Christ is God, find it, because I want to see this.
 
They don't believe that Jesus was God, that is why they say we are wrong. They will profess that they love him and respect him as a great prophet, just as their Muhammed They believe in one God, and his prophets.
 
Here's another..

Origin of the Name Allah

The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god", i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare "Allah" with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because "Allah" is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity.


In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts.

In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (Deuteronomy 4:19; 17:3; II Kings 21:3, 5; 23:5; Jeremiah 8:2; 19:13; Zephaniah 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

tob
 
Deborah13 said:
No thanks. David Stewart would believe any conspiracy theory or any ugly thing said about almost anyone. His site is utter confusion and makes me wonder how confused his mind is.
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But the moon god thing is true, which I have known since around 96 when I did a study of Islam trying to see what we Christians are up against.
 
Lewis W said:
But the moon god thing is true, which I have known since around 96 when I did a study of Islam trying to see what we Christians are up against.
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Etymology of words is an interesting study. The word El as in Elohim derives from the same Mid-eastern root words as Allah. Elohim is the word for God or god. The word 'God' in English derives from German.
What do you suppose Christians, who's language is Arabic, use for the word 'God'?
Because pagans who speak the same language as we do and use the word 'god' doesn't mean they worship the same God that we do.
If you ask a JW if they believe in 'God' they'll tell you, yes. Do they? Yeshua, is not their God.
If you ask a Mormon if they believe in 'God' they'll tell you, yes. Do they? satan is a son of their god.
 
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