Jesus Is God: Part 1

[232 Ben Yissachar]

A Jewish View of the Trinity Based on the Hebrew Scriptures

A triune Godhead is not only a Christian concept but a Jewish one too. See how the Hebrew scriptures give proof of the Father, Son, and Spirit.

jewsforjesus.org

It is an all-too-common assumption that the concept of the Trinity is a purely Christian idea. But the idea of a God being a three-in-one unity actually has its roots in foundational Judaism and in the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the concept of the Holy Spirit, the Ruach Ha-kodesh, originates in the Hebrew Scriptures—as early as Genesis 1.

Don’t Christians Believe in Three Gods? - Jews for Jesus

It’s a very common misrepresentation that while Jews believe in one God, Christians believe in three. The fact is that Christianity is as firmly monotheistic as Judaism.

jewsforjesus.org

Don't Christians Believe in Three Gods?​

by Jews for Jesus |April 20 2018

Three Gods? The Trinity? What do Christians believe?​

It's a very common misrepresentation that while Jews believe in one God, Christians believe in three. The fact is that Christianity is as firmly monotheistic as Judaism.

 

[Cooper]

I will simply add, that the President of America is “Head of State, Chief Executive, Commander in Chief, Head of Government, Chief Diplomat, Manager of the Economy and Ceremonial Head of State.” He is One.

 

[Butch5]

Here's some food thought. Pretty much everyone agrees that there are three separate distinct persons in the Trinity. The Father is not the Son or the Spirit. The Son is not the Father or the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Son or the Father. I think everyone pretty much agrees on that. If that's the case there is a major theological problem. The Father is called the Father because He is the Father of Jesus. The Father and the Son. However, Luke records this event.

And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luke records the Angel Gabriel saying that Mary would conceive through the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Soirit is a separate person, then He is the Father of Jesus and not the Father.
However, the Scripture tell is over and over that it is the Father who is Jesus' Father. Nowhere does it say the Holy Spirit is Jesus' Father.

Also, note that Gabriel equates the Holy spirit with the power of the Highest. The power of the Highest hardly sounds like a third person. It sounds more like the Father.

 

[Randy]

That is a hypothetical question. Since Jesus said He would be killed by the Gentiles, the response to your hypothetical question is -- yes. Why are you going on and on about this?

Here is what the Gentiles did to Jesus Christ: Matthew 27:28-30, "They stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him, and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said. They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again. And that is before they crucified Him and divided up his clothes by casting lots.

This is an example of extreme cruelty, and it was not done by the Jews.

If you are the one who actually commits a murder, you are guilty, not someone who told you to do so.

Peter addressing the Israelites (acts 2)
This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

That sin was forgiven by Jesus since they would not have power over Him unless it was given to them from above.

"Father forgive them for they no not what they do:"

"

 

[jaybo]

Peter addressing the Israelites (acts 2)
This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

That sin was forgiven by Jesus since they would not have power over Him unless it was given to them from above.

"Father forgive them for they no not what they do:"

"

Translator's note from the NET: Grk “at the hands of lawless men.” At this point the term ἄνομος (anomos) refers to non-Jews who live outside the Jewish (Mosaic) law, rather than people who broke any or all laws including secular laws. Specifically it is a reference to the Roman soldiers who carried out Jesus’ crucifixion.

Christ would not have been killed by the (Gentile) Romans without the demands of the Jews. However, it was God's plan that Jews and Gentiles alike would be responsible for the death of the Messiah, so that all people would be saved by His grace, not by their actions or belief systems. However, the actual killing was done by the Romans (Gentiles).

It has become fashionable among anti-Semites, such as the Nazis, to blame only the Jews for killing Christ. Even some on this forum believe that!

 

[Randy]

Translator's note from the NET: Grk “at the hands of lawless men.” At this point the term ἄνομος (anomos) refers to non-Jews who live outside the Jewish (Mosaic) law, rather than people who broke any or all laws including secular laws. Specifically it is a reference to the Roman soldiers who carried out Jesus’ crucifixion.

Christ would not have been killed by the (Gentile) Romans without the demands of the Jews. However, it was God's plan that Jews and Gentiles alike would be responsible for the death of the Messiah, so that all people would be saved by His grace, not by their actions or belief systems. However, the actual killing was done by the Romans (Gentiles).

It has become fashionable among anti-Semites, such as the Nazis, to blame only the Jews for killing Christ. Even some on this forum believe that!

I just gave you what Peter stated. "This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

The Jewish leadership had Jesus arrested had a mock trial found Him guilty and handed Him over to the Roman governor insisting that they execute Jesus.

So I think that didn't escape Peters notice.
Peters audience- the you
Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem

 

[stovebolts]

Butch5
Here are some things that I thought you might find interesting. I do hope that you will take the time to read them.
chabad.org is an orthodox Jewish sect that closely resembles the Jews of Jesus day.

The focus below is on the Hebrew word 'echad', which is translated as "one".

"If there is one phrase that encapsulates the Jewish faith, it is the Shema, the verse recited by the Jew every morning and evening of his life, and the last words to issue from his dying lips: “Hear O Israel, the L‑rd is our G‑d, the L‑rd is one.” But why, ask our sages, does the verse employ the Hebrew word echad (“one”) to connote G‑d’s unity? The word “one” can also be used to refer to something that is one of a series (as in “one, two, three . . .”), or to something composed of several components (as in “one loaf of bread,” “one human being,” “one community”). G‑d’s unity transcends such “oneness,” as Maimonides states in the opening chapter of his Mishneh Torah. Would not the Hebrew word yachid (“singular,” “only one”) have been more appropriate?

But singularity is a challengeable oneness, a oneness that may be obscured by the emergence of plurality. As we have seen, when G‑d’s infinite potential is expressed in the countless particulars of a diverse creation, this results in a concealment of His oneness. The life-endeavor of the Jew is to effect a truer expression of G‑d’s oneness—the oneness of echad. Echad is the oneness of harmony: not a oneness which negates plurality (and which plurality therefore obscures), but a oneness that employs plurality as the implement of unity."

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/3028/jewish/Three-Divine-Echoes-Singularity-Plurality-and-Oneness.htm

I have found this site very, very useful through the years.

Hashilush Hakadosh - the Holy Trinity

The Trinity (hashilush hakadosh) is a concept that is derived from the Jewish Scriptures themselves.

hebrew4christians.com

This is from a conversation that I had with another member back in 2006. Excuse the formatting, I wrote it in Microsoft Word and at that time, we were on a different forum software. Microsoft didn't make the trip...

Jesus and His Father are not the same Person

Act 2:34 " ' The Lord said to my Lord: "sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." '; God the Father talking to His Son Jesus. Act 7:56 "'Look," he said "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." There are many similar verse...

christianforums.net

And this thread from just a few years ago...

How can the trinity be one God?

Alright JLB and MarkT , Let's not go down this path... nobody is going to change their minds at this point and history shows that this is going to lead to division if allowed to continue. I'm not going to lock this thread, but you two need to find common ground as brothers in Christ. Unity...

christianforums.net

I can pull more outside references if you want.

 

[Butch5]

Butch5
Here are some things that I thought you might find interesting. I do hope that you will take the time to read them.
chabad.org is an orthodox Jewish sect that closely resembles the Jews of Jesus day.

The focus below is on the Hebrew word 'echad', which is translated as "one".

"If there is one phrase that encapsulates the Jewish faith, it is the Shema, the verse recited by the Jew every morning and evening of his life, and the last words to issue from his dying lips: “Hear O Israel, the L‑rd is our G‑d, the L‑rd is one.” But why, ask our sages, does the verse employ the Hebrew word echad (“one”) to connote G‑d’s unity? The word “one” can also be used to refer to something that is one of a series (as in “one, two, three . . .”), or to something composed of several components (as in “one loaf of bread,” “one human being,” “one community”). G‑d’s unity transcends such “oneness,” as Maimonides states in the opening chapter of his Mishneh Torah. Would not the Hebrew word yachid (“singular,” “only one”) have been more appropriate?

But singularity is a challengeable oneness, a oneness that may be obscured by the emergence of plurality. As we have seen, when G‑d’s infinite potential is expressed in the countless particulars of a diverse creation, this results in a concealment of His oneness. The life-endeavor of the Jew is to effect a truer expression of G‑d’s oneness—the oneness of echad. Echad is the oneness of harmony: not a oneness which negates plurality (and which plurality therefore obscures), but a oneness that employs plurality as the implement of unity."

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/3028/jewish/Three-Divine-Echoes-Singularity-Plurality-and-Oneness.htm

I have found this site very, very useful through the years.

Hashilush Hakadosh - the Holy Trinity

The Trinity (hashilush hakadosh) is a concept that is derived from the Jewish Scriptures themselves.

hebrew4christians.com

This is from a conversation that I had with another member back in 2006. Excuse the formatting, I wrote it in Microsoft Word and at that time, we were on a different forum software. Microsoft didn't make the trip...

Jesus and His Father are not the same Person

Act 2:34 " ' The Lord said to my Lord: "sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." '; God the Father talking to His Son Jesus. Act 7:56 "'Look," he said "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." There are many similar verse...

christianforums.net

And this thread from just a few years ago...

How can the trinity be one God?

Alright JLB and MarkT , Let's not go down this path... nobody is going to change their minds at this point and history shows that this is going to lead to division if allowed to continue. I'm not going to lock this thread, but you two need to find common ground as brothers in Christ. Unity...

christianforums.net

I can pull more outside references if you want.

Ok, thanks! I'll check these out.

 

[eddif]

Matthew 26:59 kjv
59. Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;

They finally found one man. They used him to help
Put Jesus to death.

eddif

 

[Randy]

We are made in the image and likeness of God, and like God we are a tripartite being, comprising body soul and spirit. I do not divide God up into three, for God is one, and to separate God into three is to destroy His oneness. The Spirit of the Father dwells in Jesus, and when we accept Jesus into our heart and life we have all the fulness of the Godhead in us and are saved by the blood of the Lamb. (Not the Father.) Blessings to you. "Look to Jesus and be saved."

We have been given fullness in Christ. Jesus alone, (first and last), has been given the fullness of the Godhead or Deity as the Father was pleased to do so. (Col 1:19) That's why Jesus is all that the Father is and eternal with no end. God in that context. A Son who is called Mighty God, prince of peace, everlasting Father, and wonderful counselor with many crowns on His head. So great has the Father glorified His Firstborn. The Father lives in Christ and they are one just as the Spirit sent in Jesus's name lives in us and they are one. Father in Son and Jesus in us just as Jesus testified to that truth.

 

[Cooper]

We have been given fullness in Christ. Jesus alone, (first and last), has been given the fullness of the Godhead or Deity as the Father was pleased to do so. (Col 1:19) That's why Jesus is all that the Father is and eternal with no end. God in that context. A Son who is called Mighty God, prince of peace, everlasting Father, and wonderful counselor with many crowns on His head. So great has the Father glorified His Firstborn. The Father lives in Christ and they are one just as the Spirit sent in Jesus's name lives in us and they are one. Father in Son and Jesus in us just as Jesus testified to that truth.

Why don't you simply say, "Jesus is the Word (the I AM, the Alpha and Omega, the one creator God) made visible in the likeness of man, according to John 1. The Mighty God as promised in Isaiah chapter nine?"

 

[eddif]

Why don't you simply say, "Jesus is the Word (the I AM, the Alpha and Omega, the one creator God) made visible in the likeness of man,

Not just to argue.
The word became flesh
The flesh (2nd Adam) became a quickening spirit
The quickening spirit knocks at the door to com into us

The word changed into flesh.
1 Peter 1:10 kjv
10. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Prophecy was words. The words are not now still just words. Sunshine becomes plants. Sunshine used to be the power of the sun. The plants are eaten and become flesh,
.
We are not yet what we will be.

My wife pulled a tick off me about an hour ago (serious).

So excuse my being ticky. LOL

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Cooper]

Not just to argue.
The word became flesh
The flesh (2nd Adam) became a quickening spirit
The quickening spirit knocks at the door to com into us

The word changed into flesh.
1 Peter 1:10 kjv
10. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Prophecy was words. The words are not now still just words. Sunshine becomes plants. Sunshine used to be the power of the sun. The plants are eaten and become flesh,
.
We are not yet what we will be.

My wife pulled a tick off me about an hour ago (serious).

So excuse my being ticky. LOL

Mississippi redneck
eddif

The word became flesh
(Yes)

The flesh (2nd Adam) became a quickening spirit.
(This is Jesus, and he was always spirit — i.e. the Word — from the beginning of time.)

The quickening spirit knocks at the door to come into us
(Yes Revelation 3:20)

The word changed into flesh. 1 Peter 1:10 “Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you”
(Yes. This salvation was the theme of many OT prophets who prophesied the undeserved favour that we would receive. But they did not fully understand what they were writing (see Dan_12:8).

Prophecy was words. The words are not now still just words. Sunshine becomes plants. Sunshine used to be the power of the sun. The plants are eaten and become flesh. We are not yet what we will be.
(Correct. The eternal Jesus Christ, the Creator, and Saviour of the world, fulfilled the Old Testament prophecy when he came among us, but there is still a while before we see the Saviour with us again the second time. I am looking and waiting for that day. He is the beginning and the end as you say, and is the ONE God whose spirit created the heaven and the earth, entered Mary, took our sins upon himself for our salvation, and will return. He is the ONE GOD, our Saviour, and as the Word who is spirit, our Father God. He even knows the number of hairs on our individual heads.)

God bless. Sorry to hear about the tick, look after yourself, they can be nasty.

 

[eddif]

The word became flesh
(Yes)

The flesh (2nd Adam) became a quickening spirit.
(This is Jesus, and he was always spirit — i.e. the Word — from the beginning of time.)

The quickening spirit knocks at the door to come into us
(Yes Revelation 3:20)

The word changed into flesh. 1 Peter 1:10 “Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you”
(Yes. This salvation was the theme of many OT prophets who prophesied the undeserved favour that we would receive. But they did not fully understand what they were writing (see Dan_12:8).

Prophecy was words. The words are not now still just words. Sunshine becomes plants. Sunshine used to be the power of the sun. The plants are eaten and become flesh. We are not yet what we will be.
(Correct. The eternal Jesus Christ, the Creator, and Saviour of the world, fulfilled the Old Testament prophecy when he came among us, but there is still a while before we see the Saviour with us again the second time. I am looking and waiting for that day. He is the beginning and the end as you say, and is the ONE God whose spirit created the heaven and the earth, entered Mary, took our sins upon himself for our salvation, and will return. He is the ONE GOD, our Saviour, and as the Word who is spirit, our Father God. He even knows the number of hairs on our individual heads.)

God bless. Sorry to hear about the tick, look after yourself, they can be nasty.

Daniel 12:9 kjv
9. And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


Your comment;
“and is the ONE God whose spirit created the heaven and the earth, entered Mary, took our sins upon himself for our salvation, and will return. He is the ONE GOD, our Saviour, and as the Word who is spirit

Here I am as a Mississippi redneck saying things I do not totally understand myself.

Let us look at a mystery:
1st part of mystery
John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit From his mothers womb. That is not the normal human man. John had to bear witness to who Jesus was. The disciples were told to be filled with the Holy Spirit that they might be witnesses.

2nd part of mystery.
Philippians 2:7 kjv
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8.And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Here is an example of a man:
Judges 14:5 kjv
5. Then went Samson down, and his father and his mother, to Timnath, and came to the vineyards of Timnath: and, behold, a young lion roared against him.
6. And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid, and he hadnothing in his hand: but he told not his father or his mother what he had done.

The point is - the the Spirit of the Lord came on him. (Not in to him), but as a man it came on him.
Jesus as a man had the spirit come on him as he came to be baptized.

( The mystery
John has the Holy Spirit in him ( so he can be a witness ( not for his personal life).
Jesus emptied had the Holy Spirit come on him. )
………
Jesus evidently had to be in the form of a man. Praying to God the Father for power to establish our salvation.

2 Corinthians 3:17 kjv
17. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
( this is after Pentecost and after the quickening spirit was here).

The question is :
Did the spirit of God as creator enter Mary? Or did the man Jesus by the Holy Spirit enter her womb?

And I am trying to open scripture, and not make a particular book of church order statement.

The time of the seal being opened? Is it very close?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Cooper]

Daniel 12:9 kjv
9. And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


Your comment;
“and is the ONE God whose spirit created the heaven and the earth, entered Mary, took our sins upon himself for our salvation, and will return. He is the ONE GOD, our Saviour, and as the Word who is spirit

Here I am as a Mississippi redneck saying things I do not totally understand myself.

Let us look at a mystery:
1st part of mystery
John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit From his mothers womb. That is not the normal human man. John had to bear witness to who Jesus was. The disciples were told to be filled with the Holy Spirit that they might be witnesses.

2nd part of mystery.
Philippians 2:7 kjv
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8.And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Here is an example of a man:
Judges 14:5 kjv
5. Then went Samson down, and his father and his mother, to Timnath, and came to the vineyards of Timnath: and, behold, a young lion roared against him.
6. And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid, and he hadnothing in his hand: but he told not his father or his mother what he had done.

The point is - the the Spirit of the Lord came on him. (Not in to him), but as a man it came on him.
Jesus as a man had the spirit come on him as he came to be baptized.

( The mystery
John has the Holy Spirit in him ( so he can be a witness ( not for his personal life).
Jesus emptied had the Holy Spirit come on him. )
………
Jesus evidently had to be in the form of a man. Praying to God the Father for power to establish our salvation.

2 Corinthians 3:17 kjv
17. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
( this is after Pentecost and after the quickening spirit was here).

The question is :
Did the spirit of God as creator enter Mary? Or did the man Jesus by the Holy Spirit enter her womb?

And I am trying to open scripture, and not make a particular book of church order statement.

The time of the seal being opened? Is it very close?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. (Matthew 1:18 KJV)

Commentary on Matthew 1:18-25
The birth of Jesus Christ was different from any of the births mentioned in the genealogy. There we found the repeated formula: “A begot B.” But now we have the record of a birth without a human father. The facts surrounding this miraculous conception are stated with dignity and simplicity. Mary had been promised in marriage to Joseph, but the wedding had not yet taken place. In NT times, betrothal was a form of engagement (but more binding than engagement today) and it could be broken only by divorce. Although an engaged couple did not live together until the marriage ceremony, unfaithfulness on the part of the betrothed was treated as adultery and punishable by death.
During the time of her betrothal, the Virgin Mary became pregnant by a miracle of the Holy Spirit. An angel had previously announced this mysterious event to Mary: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you” (Luk_1:35). A cloud of suspicion and scandal hung over Mary. In all of human history, there had never been a virgin birth. When people saw an unwed woman who was pregnant, they had only one possible explanation. (Believers Bible)

In answer to your question, God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and a child was born. This is important because the creator is the Word and Jesus is the Word. The Word (Jesus) became flesh, and when people saw Jesus they were looking at the creator, in the image of man.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. ()

1 Chronicles 29:11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

1 Timothy 1:16-17 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

(My comment.) There is only one God from Genesis to Revelation, and that is the 'I AM,' the Alpha and Omega. Jesus said to the woman at the well, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. (John 11:25-26 KJV)

Jesus is the I AM. He is God over all.
.

 

[Randy]

Why don't you simply say, "Jesus is the Word (the I AM, the Alpha and Omega, the one creator God) made visible in the likeness of man, according to John 1. The Mighty God as promised in Isaiah chapter nine?"

John referred to Jesus as the word of life that they saw and touched and witnessed to. In revelation Jesus has the name the word of God. Even so Jesus is a being. (Spirit) The Son who was, (His spirit), was in the body prepared for Him. The Fathers Spirit was living in Him with Jesus's spirit. Jesus taught in the same manner He and the Father were one Jesus and those who belong to Him are one. That is the oneness "Jesus" taught. Jesus, (His spirit), is Gods firstborn. And the Father was pleased to have His fullness dwell in His firstborn. Col 1:19 In that gifting Jesus is all that the Father is. God in that context. Being the beginning of the creation of God and Gods firstborn, (His spirit), Jesus has always been the Son and is not God. The Father is the only true God. Jesus is not that Deity. The Deity was pleased to dwell in Him.

That leaves One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ with Jesus being the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being. The image of the invisible God. It was also given through Jesus and for Jesus all things were made.

Jesus received from the Father and it is the Father who glorifies Him.
The Father has not received from any other being.
The fullness of the "Fathers" Deity dwells in Jesus and they are one in that manner and Jesus is all that the Father is in that manner. God.

Jesus- the Father is the only true God and His God. Believe in Him.

If you can not accept this understanding that's fine with me. I am not offending by the trinity in the least and it was the Father who gave Jesus the name mighty God, but I hold to one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ with the Spirit of God being just that the Spirit of the one true God the Father.

 

[eddif]

Commentary on Matthew 1:18-25
The birth of Jesus Christ was different from any of the births mentioned in the genealogy

Well there is the problem Houston we should read the operation manual. Like for_his _glory often says, we need to search the scripture for ourself. Not eddif, not Jewish traditions or writings, not commentaries. Ask Gid for what you need to know.

Only physical genealogy? Spiritual Heritage?
It mentions the man Jesus (after the flesh.
It mentions Jesus the Son of God.

Hebrews 7:1 kjv
1. For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2. To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3. Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

IMHO - Our genetics define the physical ( a book of sorts -scroll ).
The Bible defines the spiritual.

Does our genetics carry our spirituality? Are the gentiles still lost?
LOL

I will see about more later. Mississippi yard weeds are knee high.

eddif

 

[Butch5]

Here's some more food for thought. In His letters to the churches Paul opens with a greeting. It's something to the effect, grace to you and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. If we have three, separate, distinct, persons, why doesn't Paul ever mention the third person? Why doesn't he say, grace to you and Peace From God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit?

This isn't proof, but one does have to wonder why Paul would leave out this greeting where you'd expect one if he believed in three persons of a Trinity.

 

[Cooper]

Well there is the problem Houston we should read the operation manual. Like for_his _glory often says, we need to search the scripture for ourself. Not eddif, not Jewish traditions or writings, not commentaries. Ask Gid for what you need to know.

Only physical genealogy? Spiritual Heritage?
It mentions the man Jesus (after the flesh.
It mentions Jesus the Son of God.

Hebrews 7:1 kjv
1. For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2. To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3. Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

IMHO - Our genetics define the physical ( a book of sorts -scroll ).
The Bible defines the spiritual.

Does our genetics carry our spirituality? Are the gentiles still lost?
LOL

I will see about more later. Mississippi yard weeds are knee high.

eddif

That is what the operations manual. the Bible. says.

 

[Cooper]

John referred to Jesus as the word of life that they saw and touched and witnessed to. In revelation Jesus has the name the word of God. Even so Jesus is a being. (Spirit) The Son who was, (His spirit), was in the body prepared for Him. The Fathers Spirit was living in Him with Jesus's spirit. Jesus taught in the same manner He and the Father were one Jesus and those who belong to Him are one. That is the oneness "Jesus" taught. Jesus, (His spirit), is Gods firstborn. And the Father was pleased to have His fullness dwell in His firstborn. Col 1:19 In that gifting Jesus is all that the Father is. God in that context. Being the beginning of the creation of God and Gods firstborn, (His spirit), Jesus has always been the Son and is not God. The Father is the only true God. Jesus is not that Deity. The Deity was pleased to dwell in Him.

That leaves One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ with Jesus being the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being. The image of the invisible God. It was also given through Jesus and for Jesus all things were made.

Jesus received from the Father and it is the Father who glorifies Him.
The Father has not received from any other being.
The fullness of the "Fathers" Deity dwells in Jesus and they are one in that manner and Jesus is all that the Father is in that manner. God.

Jesus- the Father is the only true God and His God. Believe in Him.

If you can not accept this understanding that's fine with me. I am not offending by the trinity in the least and it was the Father who gave Jesus the name mighty God, but I hold to one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ with the Spirit of God being just that the Spirit of the one true God the Father.

This is God himself who made man from the dust of the earth, and he made a body for himself from one of His own creations. Jesus is God with us on earth.