Jesus Is God: Part 1

[Randy]

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10

It was the Son, God the Son who created the heavens and the earth.

God created through, by and for Jesus all things.
The very same writer.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
I have reasoned just as God spoke to us in these lasts days by His Son as in the Father living in Jesus doing His work. God created by His Son as in the Deity gifted to dwell in the Son doing His work. It's clear to me the eternal life found in the Son is the Fathers Deity not Jesus's. Col 1:19 Jesus is the begotten God or the only like to like begotten Son of the Father. The Father is the only true unbegotten God. It was by the Son or the one living in the Son that created.
So I agree in part
Begotten of the Father before all things but not made. The Jesus I believe and know is Gods Firstborn, His spirit, and has always been the Son and in Him dwells all the fullness of the one and only living God the Father. His God and Father as we read. Jesus has made us a kingdom of priests to serve His God and Father as we read.

It was the Spirit of Christ that spoke through the mouth of the prophets.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter

The Spirit acting in the persona of the Son. He speaks only what He hears not on His own.
As shown as well it was the Father who spoke through the prophets. And Jesus Himself stated in was the Father living in Him doing "His" work. The message given was not His own but from the one who sent Him.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophetsat many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son.

The Son always expresses the will of the Father by His word.

The Father living in Him teaches Him what to state and how to state it. The Son though given sovereign authority being a Son exists within the framework of His Fathers will. The Father does whatever He pleases.

The WORD of God expressed the will of the Father through the mouth of the Old Testament prophets.

already addressed. Jesus is the word of the FATHER. From the Father through the Son in all things. Even the gift of God, the Spirit sent in Jesus's name.

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10

ONENESS as I see.
If we become faithless He will remain faithful for God can not disown Himself. I'm not God yet it states "Himself"
The Father in the Son they are one.
The Son in us we are one.

We are also the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise if Christ is in Us.

 

[Corinth77777]

The Spirit that was with them before Jesus was crucified and would be in them is a body?

The Holy Ghost is said to be the power of the glorified body of Jesus "

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Just noting Randy, I believe there is a difference between the terms Holyghost and Holy Spirit.

Exactly how I am learning myself


Look at this translation:
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Of course nkjv of the "Holy Ghost"


And most likely why its Holy Ghost..is because Jesus has resurrected.


John 14: 11-14 – 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 

[JLB]

God created through, by and for Jesus all things.

Jesus the Son created the heavens and the earth.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. Colossians 1:16

He did so according to His Father’s will and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

The Godhead works together in this way in the creation of the heavens and the earth.


Jesus is God, God the Son; the only begotten Son of God.


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16


The Creator of the heavens and the earth became flesh so He could pay the price on the cross for our sins. To redeem us from destruction.


That’s good news!



JLB

 

[Corinth77777]

All power was given to Him

The Holy Ghost is said to be the power of the glorified body of Jesus "

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Just noting Randy, I believe there is a difference between the terms Holyghost and Holy Spirit.

Exactly how I am learning myself


Look at this translation:
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Of course nkjv of the "Holy Ghost"


And most likely why its Holy Ghost..is because Jesus has resurrected.


John 14: 11-14 – 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28

Where? Heaven and on earth

Another word for authority is power

 

[Free]

The Holy Ghost is said to be the power of the glorified body of Jesus "

But, it doesn't. Too many verses refute such an idea:

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
...
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. (KJV)

How does it make sense that Mary "was found with child of the [power of the glorified body of Jesus]," if Jesus hadn't even been born yet, never mind hadn't died, been resurrected, and returned to the Father?


Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (KJV)

Why baptize in the name "of the Son, and of the [power of the glorified body of Jesus]"? How does that make sense when Jesus is the Son?


Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. (KJV)

How could David have spoken by the "power of the glorified body of Jesus," if Jesus wasn't to be born for a very long time yet?


Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. (KJV)

How could John "be filled with the [power of the glorified body of Jesus]," which was necessary for his ministry, if he was born before Jesus?


Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
...
Luk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, (KJV)

How could either of them be "filled with the [power of the glorified body of Jesus]" if Jesus hadn't been born yet?


Luk 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
Luk 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. (ESV)

How could the "power of the glorified body of Jesus" be upon Zacharias or reveal anything to him if Jesus hadn't been born yet?


Luk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. (KJV)

If Jesus had not yet died, been resurrected, and ascended to the Father, how could "the [power of the glorified body of Jesus]," which is future self, descend "in a bodily shape like a dove upon him"?


Luk 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, (KJV)

How could Jesus be "full of the [power of the glorified body of himself]," which alone makes no sense, but also he hasn't been crucified and therefore not yet glorified?


Etc.

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Just noting Randy, I believe there is a difference between the terms Holyghost and Holy Spirit.

Exactly how I am learning myself


Look at this translation:
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Of course nkjv of the "Holy Ghost"


And most likely why its Holy Ghost..is because Jesus has resurrected.


John 14: 11-14 – 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Please, put some thought into this. There is no difference between Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit. You again say that "most likely why its Holy Ghost..is because Jesus has resurrected," yet every verse I provided above shows that either the Holy Ghost was around before Jesus was born or before he even died. You likely will not find one legitimate, reputable scholar who will agree with your position, but only random internet people who don't know how to properly study or interpret Scripture.

 

[Randy]

Jesus the Son created the heavens and the earth.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. Colossians 1:16

You left this part off. Does not through Him and FOR Him speak to you of another in that creation?
Col 1:16
...all things have been created through him and for him

He did so according to His Father’s will and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

The Godhead works together in this way in the creation of the heavens and the earth.


Jesus is God, God the Son; the only begotten Son of God.


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16


The Creator of the heavens and the earth became flesh so He could pay the price on the cross for our sins. To redeem us from destruction.


That’s good news!



JLB

The fullness of Deity that was pleased by the will of another to dwell in Christ created by Him and through Him.
I don't exclude the Father in the act of creation why do you? God created by His Son. Just as He spoke to us by His Son.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
1Corth 8:5-7
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

 

[Randy]

All power was given to Him

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28

Where? Heaven and on earth

Another word for authority is power

Not in my dictionary.
It is clear to all that Jesus sat down with the Father on the Fathers throne. No one here that I am aware of denies that Jesus has the sovereign authority of God. God has placed all things in Jesus's hands.

John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.

It doesn't state the Father exalted Him it states God exalted Him (singular)
Phil 2
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

It doesn't state doesn't include the Father Himself it states does not include God Himself (singular)
1 Corth 15:27
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

The Spirit of truth is the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of the sovereign Lord not the Ghost of Jesus. That Spirit that proceeds from the Father is poured out through Jesus in Jesus name. In a believer that eternal Spirit, (singular), conveys the persona of Christ. In this manner both Father and Son make their home with those in the faith.

 

[Corinth77777]

Sadly people speak words that I've never suggested and take away words ive never added. I dont think no one knows it all or they'd be God.

I'm here to learn not growl at people...
And we must present our thoughts and test them against the word of God.

This is what I've gathered so far

1. Jesus and God shared Glory

2. When the word was made flesh. It is said He was made a little lower than.

3. he must have not had the same Glory in the flesh if He asked for it to be restored.

4. He raised in bodily form and goes back to the Father.

5 There obviously was power before He came into the earth

But was there power for us to conquer the world, flesh, and the devil?

If there wasn't and now there was then what Happened.
6. After He is given all power, Which by they can make disciples immersing them in the presence of God.
...
as for you last comment on authority = power
Im looking at translation not your ductionary

 

[Corinth77777]

All power was given to Him

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28

Where? Heaven and on earth

Another word for authority is power

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Yes there definitely is a difference between the terms Holyghost and Holy Spirit

I like how one writer said the manifestation

The scripture says they were filled with the Holy ghost- (my adds- power of the resurrected body of Christ)



and then it says as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Reject the difference if you like
But it is not given until after His resurrection.

It all comes from God through christ
Jesus is said to be the wisdom and power of God

"The Bible verse 1 Cor states that Jesus Christ is the "power of God" and the "wisdom of God". The apostle Paul wrote this in his letters to the church at Corinth to explain the meaning of Jesus' death on the cross. "

 

[Free]

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Yes there definitely is a difference between the terms Holyghost and Holy Spirit

I like how one writer said the manifestation

The scripture says they were filled with the Holy ghost- (my adds- power of the resurrected body of Christ)



and then it says as the Spirit gave them utterance.

There is definitely not a difference. You’re proof-texting and so ignoring context:

Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. (KJV)

Jesus said “the promise of the Father” is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. And, Peter agrees in 2:33. However, Peter also says it is a fulfillment of the prophecy in Joel 2 where twice God says that he will “pour out my Spirit.”

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
…
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. (KJV)

Irrefutable proof that the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, is the Holy Ghost. They are one and the same.

My best guess—because no one knows—is that the KJV translators used “Spirit” to refer to “the Spirit of God,” “the Spirit of the Lord,” etc., but used “Holy Ghost” as the name of the Spirit. This would explain why “holy Spirit” appears only three times, although it doesn’t explain why “Holy Spirit” appears once (Luke 11:13).

I strongly suggest ditching the significantly outdated KJV, as it’s actually leading you into error, and getting a better, more accurate version like the ESV.

Reject the difference if you like
But it is not given until after His resurrection.

What isn’t “given until after His resurrection”? I gave several passages which show that “Holy Ghost” absolutely cannot mean “the power of the glorified body of Jesus” because they are all pre-resurrection and even pre-birth and pre-conception references. Why have you not yet addressed those verses, which prove you to be in error, and simply continue to give your unsupported opinion as though it were fact?

You say you’re here to learn, but you’re not, not really.

 

[leroy]

Fully God and fully man.....

Does the believer also have this designation?

Since we are partakers of the divine nature 2Pet 1:4
Since we have the Son living in us 1John 5:11,12
Since we have the Holy Spirit and the Father living in us. Rom. 8:11 John 14:23

Since God in you is fully God And you were born fully man. Are you not fully God and fully man.

If God is our life as new creatures and it is He who dwells in you to both will and do of His good pleasure.
No we who have God are not claiming anything but that He must increase and we must decrease.
Since God is invisible Col.1:15. When we become invisible in our own eyes and become as nothing then He can be everything. It will be His words and His works that flow from our life.