Jesus. The Word, Power and Wisdom of God

[Randy]

Jesus and the Father are One. To deny Jesus is to deny the Father. I'm done.

I believe Jesus and the Father are one as Jesus taught which I presented which you forgot which I presented again.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell

 

[Cooper]

I believe Jesus and the Father are one as Jesus taught which I presented which you forgot which I presented again.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell

It was the I AM who led the Israelites out of Egypt, it was the I AM who fed them manor from heaven, it was the I AM who guided them by fire and by cloud, it was the I AM who was in the rock Moses struck, it was the I AM who appeared to Abraham, it is the I AM who redeems us from our sins, it is the I AM who like the Good Shepherd leads us by still waters....

Have I made my point?

 

[Randy]

It was the I AM who led the Israelites out of Egypt, it was the I AM who fed them manor from heaven, it was the I AM who guided them by fire and by cloud, it was the I AM who was in the rock Moses struck, it was the I AM who appeared to Abraham, it is the I AM who redeems us from our sins, it is the I AM who like the Good Shepherd leads us by still waters....

Have I made my point?

I agree it was the God of their Fathers. I know what you state but your accusations are groundless. Oneness as Jesus taught have you not read?
The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross. 31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.

 

[Cooper]

I agree it was the God of their Fathers. I know what you state but your accusations are groundless. Oneness as Jesus taught have you not read?
The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross. 31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.

"We killed Jesus!" Now I know there is no point talking to you.

 

[Randy]

"We killed Jesus!" Now I know there is no point talking to you.

Speak for yourself. I didn't kill anyone.
But Jesus thought I was to die for.

I suggest you start speaking to Jesus. He knows who He is.
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

 

[Cooper]

Speak for yourself. I didn't kill anyone.
But Jesus thought I was to die for.

Speak for yourself. I didn't kill anyone.
But Jesus thought I was to die for.

I suggest you start speaking to Jesus. He knows who He is.
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

What did you mean when you said in post 103? “The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—WHOM YOU KILLED BY HANGING HIM ON A CROSS?"

The truth is, The Christians did not crucify Jesus, it was the Jews who plotted Christ's death in such a way as to incriminate the Romans.
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Then in post 105 you wrote, “I suggest you start speaking to Jesus. HE KNOWS WHO HE IS.”

The truth is: Jesus told us who he is in John 18:36 when he said “MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.” Meaning he is God with us in the likeness of men.

Then he went on to say, “If my kingdom were of this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews.” We know who killed Jesus, it was the same people who killed these believers:

"Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, in order to obtain a better resurrection. Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were stoned to death, they were sawn in two, they were killed by the sword; they went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, persecuted, tormented—"
(Hebrews 11:35-37)

 

[Randy]

What did you mean when you said in post 103? “The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—WHOM YOU KILLED BY HANGING HIM ON A CROSS?"

The truth is, The Christians did not crucify Jesus, it was the Jews who plotted Christ's death in such a way as to incriminate the Romans.
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Then in post 105 you wrote, “I suggest you start speaking to Jesus. HE KNOWS WHO HE IS.”

The truth is: Jesus told us who he is in John 18:36 when he said “MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.” Meaning he is God with us in the likeness of men.

Then he went on to say, “If my kingdom were of this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews.” We know who killed Jesus, it was the same people who killed Isaiah by cutting him in half with a saw.

That represents the God of the OT. The Father

From my perspective of Jesus's death from Him is that He layed down His life.
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

 

[Cooper]

That represents the God of the OT. The Father

From my perspective of Jesus's death from Him is that He layed down His life.
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

Turn to Jesus.

 

[Randy]

Turn to Jesus.

Already have,
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

 

[Cooper]

A checklist for you from the Master himself:

(John 10:9) Jesus said, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and find pasture … I have come that they may have life and that they may have it more abundantly.”

(John 11:25) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.”

(John 6:35) And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

(John 6:51) “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

(John 8:24) “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Then comes the public profession of our faith, when we tell others we follow Jesus and are baptised in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," (Jews and the cults refuse to do this.) and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Luke 12:8 "I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God.

Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Matthew 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.

 

[Randy]

A checklist for you from the Master himself:

(John 10:9) Jesus said, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and find pasture … I have come that they may have life and that they may have it more abundantly.”

(John 11:25) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.”

(John 6:35) And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”

(John 6:51) “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

(John 8:24) “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Then comes the public profession of our faith, when we tell others we follow Jesus and are baptised in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," (Jews and the cults refuse to do this.) and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Luke 12:8 "I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God.

Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Matthew 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.

I believe in Him.
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me

 

[Cooper]

I believe in Him.
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me

I believe in Putin.

So are you going to be baptised by full immersion in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and declare with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and follow him all the days of your life?

 

[Randy]

I believe in Putin.

So are you going to be baptised by full immersion in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and declare with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and follow him all the days of your life?

I have given you many words from my Lord. They seem to upset you to the point where you consider yourself my judge.
You are not.
Putin didn't state
My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

You add a lot of red tape lets cut through it.
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”

Nothing is hidden from the Lord. He still see's with His eyes.

I have stated to you numerous times Jesus is all that the Father is for in Him all the fullness was pleased to dwell.
That in that unity with the Father Jesus and the Father are one just as Jesus stated. The Father living in Him.

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen

 

[Cooper]

I have given you many words from my Lord. They seem to upset you to the point where you consider yourself my judge.
You are not.
Putin didn't state
My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

You add a lot of red tape lets cut through it.
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”

Nothing is hidden from the Lord. He still see's with His eyes.

I have stated to you numerous times Jesus is all that the Father is for in Him all the fullness was pleased to dwell.
That in that unity with the Father Jesus and the Father are one just as Jesus stated. The Father living in Him.

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen

Do you want to continue this conversation, because my next question will be, "Why does Jesus never name the Father?" Bear in mind, the god of the Jews is the god of one nation and not the God of the whole world.

 

[Randy]

Do you want to continue this conversation, because my next question will be, "Why does Jesus never name the Father?" Bear in mind, the god of the Jews is the god of one nation and not the God of the whole world.

Not really because repeating the same over and over gets old.
Sons don't name their Father or their God so no new ground there.

 

[Cooper]

Not really because repeating the same over and over gets old.
Sons don't name their Father or their God so no new ground there.

These arguments need never take place if people made a careful study of the Old Testament. If they did then everything would become clear. Here we see Yahweh, through his prophets commanding the making of sacrifice:-

Jeremiah 7:21 Thus says Yahweh of Armies, the God of Israel: Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat meat.

Ezekiel 20:40 For in my holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, says the Lord Yahweh, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them, serve me in the land: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the first fruits of your offerings, with all your holy things.

Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, who performed the duty of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister to me; and they shall stand before me to offer to me the fat and the blood, says the Lord Yahweh:


Here we see the I AM, the pre-incarnate Jesus who created the heaven and the earth by His Word, telling the people to:-

Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters, they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)

Isaiah 1:11 NKJV "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.

1 Samuel 15:22 NKJV So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed, is than the fat of rams.

Psa 40:5-6 Many, O LORD my God, are Your wonderful works Which You have done; And Your thoughts toward us Cannot be recounted to You in order; If I would declare and speak of them, They are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.


There is a spiritual war happening, always has been, and we are told to “be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Ephesians 6:10-13 NKJV)

Jesus told the Scribes and Pharisees, “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.”
(John 8:44 NKJV)

Be strong in the faith and turn to Jesus, the Alpha and Omega, the author and finisher of our faith, the Great I AM who existed from the beginning.

The angel said to call his name Jesus, and it is tear-jerking that so many of the Jewish faith reject Jesus. He is the only one who can take away the sins of the world. This is my plea to the whole world. I pray that you will accept Jesus Christ into your heart, and life. Accept Him as your Lord and Saviour and go through the waters of baptism as a declaration of your new faith, as so many did when Jesus walked this earth and even more so today. I asked to be baptised when I was twelve years old, and if I hadn’t done it then, I would be doing it now.

 

[Randy]

These arguments need never take place if people made a careful study of the Old Testament. If they did then everything would become clear. Here we see Yahweh, through his prophets commanding the making of sacrifice:-

Jeremiah 7:21 Thus says Yahweh of Armies, the God of Israel: Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat meat.

Ezekiel 20:40 For in my holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, says the Lord Yahweh, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them, serve me in the land: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the first fruits of your offerings, with all your holy things.

Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, who performed the duty of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister to me; and they shall stand before me to offer to me the fat and the blood, says the Lord Yahweh:


Here we see the I AM, the pre-incarnate Jesus who created the heaven and the earth by His Word, telling the people to:-

Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters, they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)

Isaiah 1:11 NKJV "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.

1 Samuel 15:22 NKJV So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed, is than the fat of rams.

Psa 40:5-6 Many, O LORD my God, are Your wonderful works Which You have done; And Your thoughts toward us Cannot be recounted to You in order; If I would declare and speak of them, They are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.


There is a spiritual war happening, always has been, and we are told to “be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Ephesians 6:10-13 NKJV)

Jesus told the Scribes and Pharisees, “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.”
(John 8:44 NKJV)

Be strong in the faith and turn to Jesus, the Alpha and Omega, the author and finisher of our faith, the Great I AM who existed from the beginning.

The angel said to call his name Jesus, and it is tear-jerking that so many of the Jewish faith reject Jesus. He is the only one who can take away the sins of the world. This is my plea to the whole world. I pray that you will accept Jesus Christ into your heart, and life. Accept Him as your Lord and Saviour and go through the waters of baptism as a declaration of your new faith, as so many did when Jesus walked this earth and even more so today. I asked to be baptised when I was twelve years old, and if I hadn’t done it then, I would be doing it now.

We were not disagreeing on the matter of the need to go to Jesus for life. Jesus is how the Father chose to forgive sin.
I myself have loved, prayed to and believed in Jesus as far back as my memory goes. Before 12
I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I was purchased for God by the blood of Jesus. Jesus is my Lord.

By the accounting of the writer of Hebrews the same God who spoke the prophets many times and in various ways is the God who spoke to us in these last days by His Son. That is clear to me God my Father.

 

[Cooper]

We were not disagreeing on the matter of the need to go to Jesus for life. Jesus is how the Father chose to forgive sin.
I myself have loved, prayed to and believed in Jesus as far back as my memory goes. Before 12
I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I was purchased for God by the blood of Jesus. Jesus is my Lord.

By the accounting of the writer of Hebrews the same God who spoke the prophets many times and in various ways is the God who spoke to us in these last days by His Son. That is clear to me God my Father.

Do not forget, that Jesus is the Word, Power, and Wisdom of God. Three in One.

That sounds to me as if the Manager of the American Economy, Chief Executive and Chief Diplomat is the President of America, the same as with God, who is also Three in One.

Come back to me if you don't know what I am saying and ask me what I mean.

 

[Randy]

Do not forget, that Jesus is the Word, Power, and Wisdom of God. Three in One.

That sounds to me as if the Manager of the American Economy, Chief Executive and Chief Diplomat is the President of America, the same as with God, who is also Three in One.

Come back to me if you don't know what I am saying and ask me what I mean.

I agree Jesus is all that the Father is.
For in Him it did please all the fullness to dwell. - From the will of another - The Fathers Deity

One God One Lord
The Father is the only true God

Such as the Father -King The Son-Prince of Princes
Such as the Father the living God The Son the radiance of the Fathers glory and the exact imprint of Gods very being
The Son - The image of the invisible God not the invisible God

It is the Fathers Deity (The fullness) that dwells in Christ Jesus
Jesus - The Father living in me
They are one as Jesus stated
The Father is Jesus's God and Father as Jesus states in heaven and earth

It is the Father who glorifies Jesus
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

If Jesus were God why would there be a need for God Himself to put things under Him?
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

 

[eddif]

(29) when he gave to the sea its boundary, that the waters should not violate his commandment when he marked out the foundations of the earth;
(30) then I was the craftsman by his side. I was a delight day by day, always rejoicing before him,
(31) rejoicing in his whole world. My delight was with the sons of men.
(32) “Now, therefore, my sons listen to me, for blessed are those who keep my ways.
(33) Hear instruction, and be wise. Don’t refuse it.
(34) Blessed is the man who hears me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at my doorposts.

I enjoyed your post. As sometimes happens I am behind. I will try and speed read as much as possible to catch up.

In the meantime I would like and find out if you apply the sea scripture to a particular Old Tesrament person?

Also, do you apply the sea to a group of New Testament persons,

These comparisons can IMHO be found.

My approach is: knowledge - wisdom - understanding - love

The seed is the word of God
The ground is mens hearts
So
What is the sea in the above passage
What is the application to mens lives

I know. Strange redneck. I have read a little about Jewish PaRDeS

Mississippi redneck
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