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Jesus was Muslim

Qasim786 said:
where Jesus says i and the father are one. The word one is used to denote one in purpose. Both in 17:21 and 10:30. He is not claiming to be the same as God!
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One response to this that I found-


"I and the Father are one." There are those who would limit this oneness between the Father and Son to unity of will and designâ€â€the Unitarian interpretation of the passage. Dr. John Brown has refuted the error of this so ably and simply that we transcribe from his exposition: "Harmony of will and design, is not the thing spoken of here; but harmony or union of power and operation. Our Lord first says of Himself, ‘I give unto my sheep eternal life, and none shall pluck them out of my hand.’ He then says the same thing of the Fatherâ€â€Ã¢â‚¬ËœNone is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.’ He plainly, then, ascribes the same thing to Himself that He does to the Father, not the same will, but the same workâ€â€the same work of power, therefore the same Power. He mentions the reason why none can pluck them out of the Father’s hands,â€â€because He is the Almighty, and no created Power is able to resist Him. The thing spoken of is power,â€â€Power irresistible. And in order to prove that none can pluck them out of HIS hand, He adds, ‘I and the Father are one.’ One in what? unquestionably in the work of power whereby He protects His sheep and does not suffer them to be plucked out of His hand. What the Father is, that the Son is. What the work of the Father is, that the work of the Son is. As the Father is almighty, so is the Son likewise. As nothing can resist the Father, so nothing can resist the Son. Whatsoever the Father hath, the Son hath likewise. The Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father. These two are oneâ€â€in nature, perfection and glory."


http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/John/john_36.htm
 
Qasim786 said:
and also 'spirit of Truth' can also fit the prophet Muhammed.
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That is going to depend on what one believes about Muhammed...
 
The context begins at verse 23. The Jews are are questioning Jesus saying 'if thou be the christ tell us plainly' alleging that he was speaking ambiguously, which of course is not the case, because Jesus put forth his claim and had told them clearly that he is the christ, but they did not believe him. Jesus says 'The Miracles, I do im my FATHERS NAME show who i am'. What can this be interpreted to mean. He is trying to emphasize that the Miracles that he is diong are not his works. We see the same in other passages such as "...I cast out devils by the Spirit of God then the kingdom of God is come unto you." (Matthew 12:28)
"I can of mine own self do nothing " (John 5:30)
"I with the finger of God cast out devils" (Luke 11:20)

"Show who i am" - the miracles that i perform by the power of God does indeed prove that God sent me, they prove that i am the christ.

"But you dont believe, because you are not my sheep" - You are not my disciples or close followers, therefore you do not accept me as the christ. '' My sheep listen to my voice, i know them and they follow me." This is an important line and it shows that his sheep are his followers and know and accept him. "I give them eternal life" - Because they have accepted me, and followed my message and example, they will live in heaven for eternity. "Noone can steal them out of my hand. MY FATHER GAVE my sheep to me. HE IS GREATER THAN ALL, and no person can steal my sheep out of my Fathers hand." To see that once a man has accepted faith, he remains in faith and cannot be diverted, and Jesus is emphasizing that he himself as a teacher will do his best to see to that promise, God almighty also sees to the promise that once a man has accepted faith, he remains in faith. Verse 30 "I and my father are one", in purpose me and God are one.
 
One in what? unquestionably in the work of power whereby He protects His sheep and does not suffer them to be plucked out of His hand.
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God does indeed use his power and guides those who look to him, but again "i and the father are one", i.e God will guide them and will not suffer them to 'plucked out of his hand' and jesus will do the same through his ministry and life on earth, he will also see to it that they are not plucked away from following his message. This is what is being said here.
 
AHHH my bad ignore that last post

One in what? unquestionably in the work of power whereby He protects His sheep and does not suffer them to be plucked out of His hand.
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God does indeed use his power and guides those who look to him, but again "i and the father are one", i.e God will guide them and will not suffer them to 'plucked out of his hand' and jesus will do the same through his ministry and life on earth, he will also see to it that they are not plucked away from following his message. This is what is being said here.
 
That is going to depend on what one believes about Muhammed...
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Muhammed was so trustworthy even as a child - he gained the title 'Al-amin' which means 'the trustworthy'. So 'Spirit of Truth' - recall what John said when talking about prophets ' I John 4:1 ‘Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they of are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the spirit of god; EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH THAT JESUS CHRIST COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD.’ John uses the words spirit and prophet interchagabley to put forth a test that one should give in seeing whether someone is sent from God. So 'Spirit of truth' is the 'prophet of truth'

Muhammed is of God because he did indeed confess that Jesus came in the flesh and that he was the christ.

‘Behold the angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a WORD from him. His name will be the messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and in the hereafter and of the company of those nearest to God.’
 
I request that you read a biography of the Prophet (peace be upon him), prefereably a muslim to gain an idea of the prophets life and mission. Alot of the posts about Muhammed are opinions of people who quote Hadiths and try there best to depict a negative picture of the Prophet, using there own prejudices to interpret them the way they want. One example is of Gary Bee (who is doing most of the slandering) who said that Muhammed committed adultery, but i actually corrected that because he didnt have a clue about the true story of what happened with Zaid and Zainab. That post is found earlier in this topic.
 
Qasim786 said:
That is going to depend on what one believes about Muhammed...
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Muhammed is of God because he did indeed confess that Jesus came in the flesh and that he was the christ.
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Muhammed may not be on the right side of John's "test", it depends what he meant.

That Muhammed accepted Jesus as a prophet doesn't prove much about Muhammed.


Given that Muhammed was not a particularly moral person, why on earth would anyone think he was a prophet of God?
 
Given that Muhammed was not a particularly moral person, why on earth would anyone think he was a prophet of God?
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Again your opinion that he was not a very moral person is very incorrect.

''Why on Earth would anyone believe he was a prophet of God"

On account of him thier are 1.5 billion people who pray to one God. Muhammed was sent to the land Arabia, at a time when people worshipped idols, buried thier daughters alive, drank alot. He got rid of all of that. On account of him the people in arabia do not worship stone, they worship the one One God who is not seen, the God of the Jews, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses, the God of Jesus, the God of every single created thing in the universe.

Islam Solves the problems of Society. Those terrorists who kill innocent ppl in the name of God are totally incorrect and that is totally unislamic. I have qouted verses from the Quran earlier on in the topic to show that. If you want more i'll give them.

You have a drinking problem - Islam prohibits alcohol - no excuse for even a nip of alcohol, the Holy Quran says:

"O ye who believe!
Intoxicants and Gambling,
(Dedication of) stones,
And (divination by) arrows,
Are an Abomination –
Of Satan’s handiwork;
Eschew such (abomination),
That ye may prosper."
[Al-Qur’an 5:90]

The Prophet Muhammed Said Regarding Alcohol, In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3392

"Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in a small quantity."

No drink allowed, and it solves one of the biggest problems of society today, the drinking problem, on account of him 1.5 billion ppl do not go near that stuff ( p.s yes there may be a few here and there because every religion has its black sheep but as a whole Muslims do not go near it)

Islam has the Solution to many other problems that face the world. List them!! Talk about Islam, dont talk about the bad people in Islam, dont talk about Terrorists, as much as thier are bad muslims, there are bad people of any other religion!
 
And i again hope that you will take the courage and the Guts to do everyone a favour and read a true, unbiased biography of the prophet. inshallah (if god wills)

"Praise be to God,
Lord of the Worlds,
The Beneficient, the Merciful,
King of the Day of Judgement,
Thee alone we worship and from thee
alone we ask for help,
show us the straight path.
The Path of those whome you have favoured.
Not of those who have earned your anger,
Nor of those who go astray."
Surah: The Opening
 
Let us understand what Muhammad was....

Muhammad was a licentious man, a murderer, barbaric and unethical, a liar and a hypocrite. He was deceitful, inconsistent, immoral, lustful, a polygamist, an adulterer. He had slaves and concubines, a low regard for women. He encouraged wife beating.

Muhammad had little regard for the value of human life, especially those who opposed or exposed him. He instituted Jihad and called for the death of all who opposed him or Islam. Muhammad sent his men to kill his opponents in the middle of the night using deceit and lies. He was an assassin.

He showed signs of physical, spiritual and mental derangement. He was delusional and even attempted suicide. His wife reported that he was bewitched.

Muhammad massacred his prisoners of war indiscriminately. He was a criminal and a mass murderer. Muhammad raided merchant caravans and stole their goods. He was a highway robber. Muhammad made and then broke treaties. He was dishonest.

Muhammad cursed people and preached hatred towards other human beings.

Muhammad captured human beings and sold them or asked for a payment of a ransom to release them. He was a slave merchant and a terrorist.

Muhammad was sex-mad. Muhammad, at the age of 53, became aroused by a 9-year-old child. He was a paedophile. Muhammad forced himself on a captured woman on the same day that he killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. He was a rapist.

Want the evidence?

http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/muhammad/

Who would ever follow such a thug?

:o :o
 
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Gary_Bee said:
Let us understand what Muhammad was....

Muhammad was a licentious man, a murderer, barbaric and unethical, a liar and a hypocrite. He was deceitful, inconsistent, immoral, lustful, a polygamist, an adulterer. He had slaves and concubines, a low regard for women. He encouraged wife beating.

Muhammad had little regard for the value of human life, especially those who opposed or exposed him. He instituted Jihad and called for the death of all who opposed him or Islam. Muhammad sent his men to kill his opponents in the middle of the night using deceit and lies. He was an assassin.

He showed signs of physical, spiritual and mental derangement. He was delusional and even attempted suicide. His wife reported that he was bewitched.

Muhammad massacred his prisoners of war indiscriminately. He was a criminal and a mass murderer. Muhammad raided merchant caravans and stole their goods. He was a highway robber. Muhammad made and then broke treaties. He was dishonest.

Muhammad cursed people and preached hatred towards other human beings.

Muhammad captured human beings and sold them or asked for a payment of a ransom to release them. He was a slave merchant and a terrorist.

Muhammad was sex-mad. Muhammad, at the age of 53, became aroused by a 9-year-old child. He was a paedophile. Muhammad forced himself on a captured woman on the same day that he killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. He was a rapist.

Want the evidence?

http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/muhammad/

Who would ever follow such a thug?

:o :o
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You forgot to put that in quotations since you cut and pasted it. :microwave:
 
LOL... you are rather silly are you not? Go to the site and follow the links. I am making several points about Muhammad. What part of it can't you understand?

I gave the link as well so that you can see where I get the proof from.

You don't understand referring as well I notice. Have you ever had to WRITE a paper?

When you start reading books, you might start to understand how to cite and reference! I know comics don't do that......

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
Let us understand what Muhammad was....

Muhammad was a licentious man, a murderer, barbaric and unethical, a liar and a hypocrite. He was deceitful, inconsistent, immoral, lustful, a polygamist, an adulterer. He had slaves and concubines, a low regard for women. He encouraged wife beating.

Muhammad had little regard for the value of human life, especially those who opposed or exposed him. He instituted Jihad and called for the death of all who opposed him or Islam. Muhammad sent his men to kill his opponents in the middle of the night using deceit and lies. He was an assassin.

He showed signs of physical, spiritual and mental derangement. He was delusional and even attempted suicide. His wife reported that he was bewitched.

Muhammad massacred his prisoners of war indiscriminately. He was a criminal and a mass murderer. Muhammad raided merchant caravans and stole their goods. He was a highway robber. Muhammad made and then broke treaties. He was dishonest.

Muhammad cursed people and preached hatred towards other human beings.

Muhammad captured human beings and sold them or asked for a payment of a ransom to release them. He was a slave merchant and a terrorist.

Muhammad was sex-mad. Muhammad, at the age of 53, became aroused by a 9-year-old child. He was a paedophile. Muhammad forced himself on a captured woman on the same day that he killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. He was a rapist.

Want the evidence?

http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/muhammad/

Who would ever follow such a thug?
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Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.



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Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235:
Narrated 'Aisha:

That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."



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Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

I urger you to go to the following link, all your accusations have absolutely no basis for truth. These hadiths in no way prove the accusations that you make against the Prophet.

http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/frq/Aishara.htm

http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/frq/Aisha.htm

"But do you mean to tell me that the man who in the full flush of youthful vigour, a young man of four and twenty (24), married a woman much his senior, and remained faithful to her for six and twenty years (26), at fifty years of age when the passions are dying married for lust and sexual passion? Not thus are men's lives to be judged. And you look at the women whom he married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection." - - Dr Annie Besant (Dr Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932)
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A noted British author has observed: "No great religious leader has been so maligned as Prophet Mohammed. Attacked in the past as a heretic, an impostor, or a sensualist, it is still possible to find him referred to as "the false prophet." A modern German writer accuses Prophet Mohammed of sensuality, surrounding himself with young women. This man was not married until he was twenty-five years of age, then he and his wife lived in happiness and fidelity for twenty-four years, until her death when he was fourty-nine. Only between the age of fifty and his death at sixty-two did Prophet Mohammed take other wives, only one of whom was a virgin, and most of them were taken for dynastic and political reasons. Certainly the Prophet's record was better than the head of the Church of England, Henry VIII." Geoffrey Parrinder, Mysticism in the World's Religions (New York: Oxford University Press, 1976, pg. 121)
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Muhammad: child-wives, sex and delusions

Already, when Aisha was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of a union with her.(a) When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu Bakr thought it was improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed aside Abu Bakr's reservation by saying that it was perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha.(b)

So, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad, and 3 years later, i.e. when Aisha was 9, the marriage was consummated.(c) And Muhammad was 53 then. The reality that Aisha was socially and psychologically still a child as is evidenced by the fact that she was still given to her toys, she was unaware of what was happening around her, and her playmates behave as would the children at present times.(d)

Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was predominant.(e)

If you are wondering, yes, the relationship was paedophilic. Muhammad was sex-mad, delusional and bewitched.(f)

References:

(a). Dreaming: B.5.58.235.
(b). Lawful: B.7.62.18.
(c). Married at 6, consummated at 9: B.5.58.236, B.7.62.64, B.7.62.65, B.7.62.88, M.8.3310, D.41.4915-4916.
(d). Aisha only a child: B.8.73.151, B.5.58.234, M.8.3309, M.8.3311, D.41.4917.
(e). Sex: B.1.5.270, B.3.28.36, B.7.62.6, B.3.31.148, B.3.31.149, B.3.31.150, B.1.6.298-300, B.7.62.142.
(f). Muhammad: sex-mad, delusional and bewitched.

"B.5.58.235" means "Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235"
"M.8.3310" means "Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3310"
"D.41.4915" means "Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915"

Read more... http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/mu ... dwives.htm

:o

P.S. As you follow Muhammad's example, are you going to have sex with a 9 year-old child?

:-?
 
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