Bible Study Job - Book of Declaration and Transformation

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Answer for Job 17:6
Mark 11:9
And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:
10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.

Jesus came in with praises, but was spoken bad of right at end of life.

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[Jim Parker]

IMHO the last chapters can help set the direction of the study of Job.

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The opening two chapters set the direction of Job. (It is not possible to set a direction from the end of a story since, by that time, it has already run its course.)

In the opening two chapters God makes two bets with Satan.

Bet no.1: When God asks Satan if he has noted the righteousness of Job, Satan responds (essentially), "Of course he worships you; you pay him to worship you. He's the richest and most respected man in the territory because of what you do for him. Take those riches and glory away and he'll curse you to your face."

So God tells Satan he can take everything Job has and then they will see if Job still worships God.
Satan proceeds to ruin Job financially but he still worships God.

Bet No. 2: God asks Satan if he has noticed that Job still worships Him even though He destroyed Job "without cause." (Job 2:3) Note that God takes full responsibility for the calamity which Satan inflicted on Job and that there was no reason to do it other than to win the bet.

Satan says that Job still has his health; if that was taken away, he'd curse you.
God gives Satan the "OK" to take Job's health. Satan does but Job continues to honor God.

So God wins both bets. But God cheated! He already knew what Job would do. God knows everything from beginning to end. It's like betting on a ball game after its over with someone who doesn't know the game is already over

That is the setup for the rest of the story.

That is followed by the "comfort" Job gets from his friends which boils down to, "This is happening to you because either you have sin in your life or you don't have enough faith."

We know that is pure baloney because God said of Job that "there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil". (Job 1:8 & 2:3)

According to the Law of Moses and Proverbs, God is required to bless and protect Job as long as Job keeps God's commands and Job does so flawlessly.

So what happened? Why didn't God keep His part of the bargain? (Covenant)

His friends (and through them, us) got taught not to "put God in a box." God does what He doesn't and doesn't have to explain Himself to anyone. His purposes and wisdom are beyond our comprehension. We don't even get to ask "why does evil happen?" because we wouldn't be able to comprehend the answer if God spelled it out for us. (Job 41-42)

It is not our job to figure out why God does what He does and allows what He allows. ("If God is good, why does He allow suffering?)

Our job is to worship God no matter what we get.

I was did two separate studies of Job. After I had done the first one, my father-in-law died of a heart attack. We were close. After the second, my wife got cancer from which eventually killed her.

I didn't ask why. I didn't curse God. I got it.

my 2 kopecks
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Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The main point being (slain from the foundation of the world).

Hebrews 1:1
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by hisSon, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

The main point being (creation showed the crucification / sacrifice of Jesus Christ). If you search for it.

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The first five times through the bible read differently than after the reality of the above scriptures were a guiding hint (as to the difference in a shadow and a reality).

Once you know Job speaks the truth and the friends do not, then the study gets deeper. The richness of jobs comments stand out, and the shallow comments of the friends are seen.

Bible study takes everything and compares and contrasts. Studying just a book without Paul Harvey's rest of the story ( if I am allowed any latitude of comparison) leaves guesses in abundance. The book of Job comes alive when the things hidden are explained.

IMHO

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Job 17:7 the answer
Jesus has cried and his limbs (out of joint) are but a shadow of what they once were.

The answer for verse 8
Luke 18:9 KJV
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselTwo men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.ves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Job speaks like Jesus on the cross.

Those justified in themselves have not been beating on their breast of suffering.

The answer for verse 9
The righteousness Jesus death brings will strengthen others.

The answer for verse10
Jesus is being honest about their wrong self righteousness and giving them another chance.

The answer for verse 11
Jesus is feeling forsaken of the father. Jesus was doing the fathers will -- the will worked in him).

The answer for verse 12
Jesus is basically saying they know not (are confused and reversed in thinking)

The answer for verse 13
Jesus is about to die and be buried.

The answer for verse 14
Jesus is speculating, but he knows that a seed dies and is planted to bring forth abundant life.

The answer for verse 15
Jesus actually knows the hope of the resurrection, but is having us think.

The answer for verse 16
The gate of our death leads to ressurrection of eternal life. The friends are challenged to think.

Are we looking / trusting in our seeing death as having lost it's sting.

End of chapter 17

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I need to take an aside for a moment.
A previous Job scripture has opened more.
First the scripture that opened a Job statement:
John 1:14 KJV
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

All the prophecy that preceded Jesus became a reality, when we look at his - birth, life, teaching, death, burial, resurrection, assention, etc.
We hear as we / they read the OT/ OC, but we all see when he is examined in the flesh / body.

Thus
Job 42:5 KJV
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

So. Job was speaking about Messiah's future coming: maybe as much (probably more so) as he is speaking of what he learned. It is always About the revelation of Jesus Christ.

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We are back to the point a look at the last verse of a chapter will help us know what a chapter is about.

Job 18:21
Surely such are the dwellings of the wicked, and this is the place of him that knoweth not God.

Reading the verse lets us know Bildad thinks Job does not know God.
But since God recognized Job as his servant ...
The following verse should apply.
I Corinthians 8:3
But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

So when we read Bildad's statements, we know his error ahead of time.

V 1
Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,
2 ere ye make an end of words? mark, and afterwards we will speak.
(Although Job is speaking the truth, Bildad wants to be the source of information). Bildad thinks Jobs words are wrong, and although Bildad has allowed Job a chance to speak Bildad is waiting on silence from Job.


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[Jim Parker]

Job 42:5 KJV
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

So. Job was speaking about Messiah's future coming: maybe as much (probably more so) as he is speaking of what he learned. It is always About the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Job is talking about exactly what he said. "I heard about you but now I see you."

It's not about the revelation of Jesus Christ. It's about Job, God, and their relationship. From that relationship we can extrapolate our relationship with the knowledge, gleaned from Job's experience, that we can't put God "in a box." Let the book speak for itself without forcing it into some preconceived notion. Forcing it to be about the revelation of Jesus Christ prevents you from getting the message of Job.

To insist that everything in the Bible has to be about the revelation of Jesus Christ is to turn the Bible into an extended allegory.



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Job 18:1 KJV
Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,
2 How long will it be ere ye make an end of words? mark, and afterwards we will speak.
3 Wherefore are we counted as beasts, andreputed vile in your sight?
4 He teareth himself in his anger: shall the earth be forsaken for thee? and shall the rock be removed out of his place?
5 Yea, the light of the wicked shall be put out, and the spark of his fire shall not shine.
6 The light shall be dark in his tabernacle, and his candle shall be put out with him.
7 The steps of his strength shall be straitened, and his own counsel shall cast him down.
8 For he is cast into a net by his own feet, and he walketh upon a snare.
9 The gin shall take him by the heel, and the robber shall prevail against him.
10 The snare is laid for him in the ground, and a trap for him in the way.
11 Terrors shall make him afraid on every side, and shall drive him to his feet.
12 His strength shall be hungerbitten, and destruction shall be ready at his side.
13 It shall devour the strength of his skin: even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.
14 His confidence shall be rooted out of his tabernacle, and it shall bring him to the king of terrors.
15 It shall dwell in his tabernacle, because it isnone of his: brimstone shall be scattered upon his habitation.
16 His roots shall be dried up beneath, and above shall his branch be cut off.
17 His remembrance shall perish from the earth, and he shall have no name in the street.
18 He shall be driven from light into darkness, and chased out of the world.
19 He shall neither have son nor nephew among his people, nor any remaining in his dwellings.
20 They that come after him shall be astonied at his day, as they that went before were affrighted.
21 Surely such are the dwellings of the wicked, and this is the place of him that knoweth not God.

Eliphaz had condemned in chapter 15, and Job answered in 16 and 17.

Now Bildad will begin.
It appears in the first few verses to feel that after Job speaks he will be don away with (perish).

I Corinthians 2:8 may fit by the end of Job. The friends may have been different had they known the whole story.

 

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Job 19:1 KJV
1 Then Job answered and said,
2 How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?
3 These ten times have ye reproached me: ye are not ashamed that ye make yourselves strange to me.
4 And be it indeed that I have erred, mine error remaineth with myself.
5 If indeed ye will magnify yourselves against me, and plead against me my reproach:

Romans 15:3 KJV
For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

If we listen closely we hear the full reproaches falling on Jesus. From the Jewish religious leadership as well as his close disciples.

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Job 19:6 KJV
Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net.

Jesus would seek to do the will of the Father.

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[Malachi]

Once you know Job speaks the truth and the friends do not, then the study gets deeper.

Strangely enough, while Job's friends misunderstand him, and accuse him falsely, everything else which they speak is truth. God faulted them for misrepresenting Him in relation to Job. They assumed that God had cast him off, whereas we know that he was being severely tested. They could not fathom that God would bring disaster upon disaster upon a righteous man, and most of the world will not fathom that either.

 

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Job 42:7 KJV
And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

Interesting I never noticed the KJV having the "the" in italics. Most other versions just say truth and not the truth.

Job 1:8 KJV
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Servant Job
Perfect man
Upright
Fears God
Escheweth evil

So whenever Job speaks on these subjects he is speaking truth. I reckon that is the way it reads.

Quote your support scriptures. I tend toward really messed up friends ( due to sacrifices).

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[Malachi]

Quote your support scriptures. I tend toward really messed up friends ( due to sacrifices).

Just a few examples OF TRUTH from Job's friends:
ELIPHAZ
I would seek unto God, and unto God would I commit my cause: Which doeth great things and unsearchable; marvellous things without number: (Job 5:8,9).

He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong. (Job 5:13). Paul quotes this in 1 Corinthians.

BILDAD
Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?...Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers: (Job 8:3,20)

ZOPHAR
Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea. If he cut off, and shut up, or gather together, then who can hinder him? (Job 11:7-10)

ELIHU
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. (Job 32:8).

The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. (Job 33:4).

Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment. (Job 34:12).

 

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II Corinthians 3:7 KJV
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The friends are using word to condemn, Job sees his sin, but received righteousness from God. Job realized his sins were placed in a sack and sewn up.

If we constrain God to time, do we not allow prophecy to foresee. If we limit Job to just that time, we lose learning a huge amount. The sacrifice and prayers were to be received for the friends forgiveness - should not Job receive apart from works?

Word written in stone does condemn. Word written in a heart of flesh allows a savior. The friends are condemning, but not allowing righteousness as a gift of grace. Of course rednecks need a ton of forgiveness.

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Just a few examples OF TRUTH from Job's friends:
ELIPHAZ
I would seek unto God, and unto God would I commit my cause: Which doeth great things and unsearchable; marvellous things without number: (Job 5:8,9).

He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong. (Job 5:13). Paul quotes this in 1 Corinthians.

BILDAD
Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?...Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers: (Job 8:3,20)

ZOPHAR
Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? It is as high as heaven; p canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea. If he cut off, and shut up, or gather together, then who can hinder him? (Job 11:7-10)

ELIHU
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. (Job 32:8).

The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. (Job 33:4).

Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment. (Job 34:12).

I do not like doing this:
Romans 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Eliphaz sees himself doing what other scripture says man does not do.

The one taking in craftiness is Satan. He comes to steal, kill, destroy. God wants life and it more abundantly.

The friends turn things upside down.

Our flesh is not good.
Our new mind is in good shape.
Romans 7:25
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Bildad is denying that God sent his own guiltless son to die for sins he did not commit.

I Peter 2:24
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Zophar is denying:
Matthew 7:7
This seeking does depend on the Holy Spirit leading.

I could go on, but this is not a debate forum.

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Job 19:7
Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.

We must never forget Jesus cried out my God my God why have thou forsaken me.

19:8
He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.

More Isaiah 53 smitten of God (Jesus type suffering).

19:9
He has stripped me of my honor and removed the crown from my head.

Jesus went to be born without his crown, but as a human in the flesh.

19:10
He hath destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and mine hope hath he removed like a tree.
11 He hath also kindled his wrath against me, and he counteth me unto him as one of his enemies.
12 His troops come together, and raise up their way against me, and encamp round about my tabernacle.
13 He hath put my brethren far from me, and mine acquaintance are verily estranged from me.
14 My kinsfolk have failed, and my familiar friends have forgotten me.
15 They that dwell in mine house, and my maids, count me for a stranger: I am an alien in their sight.
(After crucification he was not recognized)
16 I called my servant, and he gave me no answer; I intreated him with my mouth.
17 My breath is strange to my wife, though I intreated for the children's sake of mine own body.
18 Yea, young children despised me; I arose, and they spake against me.
19 All my inward friends abhorred me: and they whom I loved are turned against me.
20 My bone cleaveth to my skin and to my flesh, and I am escaped with the skin of my teeth.
21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.
22 Why do ye persecute me as God, and are not satisfied with my flesh?
23 Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
24 That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
28 But ye should say, Why persecute we him, seeing the root of the matter is found in me?
29 Be ye afraid of the sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the sword, that ye may know there is a judgement.

Comments later.
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Acts 8:34 KJV
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Acts 8:32 KJV
The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

A lot of the words (of Job) fit Jesus condition. All of the persecution and abandonment are more fitting of the suffering of Christ. A lot of what we know about Jesus comes from selected OT / OC scriptures.

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I knew I was having some trouble with chapter 19.
Read verse 5

5 If indeed ye will magnify yourselves against me, and plead against me my reproach:

Job is making a statement that sets the tone / understanding of the rest of chapter 19.

The following:
Zechariah 11:12
And I said unto them, If ye think good, give memy price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

Without verse 13 it is hard to tell if it is Judas or Jesus speaking.
13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

The identification of Jesus was worth a goodly price. He was about to be falsely accused and bear our sins on the cruel cross.

Now the rest of Job 19 should fit better.

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Job said:
Job 21:7 KJV
Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?
8 Their seed is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes.
9 Their houses are safe from fear, neither is the rod of God upon them.
10 Their bull gendereth, and faileth not; their cow calveth, and casteth not her calf.

King David agreed:
Psalms 73:3 KJV
For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
14 For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.

The Lord chastenes whom he loves.

This is in direct opposition to Zophar
Job 20:5 KJV
That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?

I will listen to comments.

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To get ready for the statements of Elephaz:
God is aware of Job in his conversation with Satan. God brings up the subject of Job.
Job is a servant.
Plus other information.

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