Bible Study Knowing Christ

[Soul man]

Paul says, in 2 Corinthians 5:16, that if we did once know Christ in the flesh, now, that is not how we should know Him.
."Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more."
What a beautiful transition Paul presents here.
Jesus of Nazareth was so prominent in the early Church that those who had seen and talked with Jesus were very prominent believers.
This was wonderful, just to hear first-hand about the Savior, but this Jesus, the Jesus who lived in the body given to Him by Mary of Nazareth, was not the Lord who was to be the life of every man born again.
The Holy Spirit had formed a new and greater body at Pentecost, and Christ was to be and is the life of that body, sharing that incorruptible life with every member.
This is why Paul taught that we are no longer to know Jesus in the flesh, meaning Jesus of Nazareth.
But let us pay special attention to the “now” here.
This now is the essence of what the Father is doing today. Now, right now, the Spirit is revealing the Son in the believers as never before. The “now generation” is alive and well. Jesus is alive in believers who are seeing Christ as their only life.
What a glorious move of the Spirit this is. Perhaps the most popular "now" is to be found in Galatians, 2:20
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
Paul says that the life he then lived was Christ. It was a life that he lived in the flesh, his flesh, and he lived it by the faith of the Son of God. Oh, the glories found in this now. While so many misled believers are attempting to perfect their flesh by their own self-effort, Paul says that Jesus, God’s gift of life to the believer, has elected to live in the believer’s flesh (body) now, no waiting, no self-effort to perfect the body, but now! This idea does not fit with religion.
Religion would actually deny the believer this now Christ, awaiting some sort of probationary process to fit its own creeds. Religion would say that if the believer had Christ in him as simply as this, the believer could not possibly live the life.
But Paul goes on to say that this life is not lived by his faith, but by the faith of that in-dwelling Christ. This little line could be the salvation of all the weary believers wrapped up in the hyper-faith movement. They are becoming so weary of exercising their own faith and keeping it alive that sooner or later they will welcome a revelation of Christ as their life and begin to use and glory in His faith. This is in-deed the rest for the weary, His rest.

 

[for_his_glory]

Restoration comes by handling something with a slow process of perfection. Some people like to restore old furniture to make it look new again. They peal off all the old layers until they get to the bare frame. Step by step they build upon that frame until the whole of perfection and renewal is complete and they have a new creation of something that was old.

This is what Christ does with us as he peals away all the old layers of our past and renews our inner man by His Spirit as he perfects us into a new creation that has been made renewed by Gods righteousness and perfection as we surrender all that is in us and allow Gods Spirit to change whatever needs changing in us. This process is called Gods salvation of saving someone that others might deem unworthy, but God says all are worthy of his grace if they would just come boldly to his throne of grace and surrender all to him.

John 3:3-21 except a man be born again of water and Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Vs.6 that which is born of the Flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Flesh cannot perceive the things of the Spirit and is enmity against God, Romans 8:6, 7.

 

[Soul man]

Restoration comes by handling something with a slow process of perfection. Some people like to restore old furniture to make it look new again. They peal off all the old layers until they get to the bare frame. Step by step they build upon that frame until the whole of perfection and renewal is complete and they have a new creation of something that was old.

This is what Christ does with us as he peals away all the old layers of our past and renews our inner man by His Spirit as he perfects us into a new creation that has been made renewed by Gods righteousness and perfection as we surrender all that is in us and allow Gods Spirit to change whatever needs changing in us. This process is called Gods salvation of saving someone that others might deem unworthy, but God says all are worthy of his grace if they would just come boldly to his throne of grace and surrender all to him.

John 3:3-21 except a man be born again of water and Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Vs.6 that which is born of the Flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Flesh cannot perceive the things of the Spirit and is enmity against God, Romans 8:6, 7.

When He died, you died on that cross with Him. The renewing of the mind; is to Christ Who was joined to our spirit the moment we believe.
We are going to see things a little different in restoration as well as change. There is no change for the believer at the cross, they are totally and completely exchanged.
Change is soulish, change can only come in soul. Seeing Christ as life is seeing the exchange that happened on Calvary. Seeing what has taken place in spirit is the beginning of the renewing of the mind, thank you for your comments.

 

[for_his_glory]

Our soul is the very breath that God breathed in us and belongs only to Him who preserves it for final judgement.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Our spirit can never die and is preserved until Gods final judgment on the last day when Christ returns, John 6:40.

 

[Chopper]

Paul says, in 2 Corinthians 5:16, that if we did once know Christ in the flesh, now, that is not how we should know Him.
."Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more."
What a beautiful transition Paul presents here.
Jesus of Nazareth was so prominent in the early Church that those who had seen and talked with Jesus were very prominent believers.
This was wonderful, just to hear first-hand about the Savior, but this Jesus, the Jesus who lived in the body given to Him by Mary of Nazareth, was not the Lord who was to be the life of every man born again.
The Holy Spirit had formed a new and greater body at Pentecost, and Christ was to be and is the life of that body, sharing that incorruptible life with every member.
This is why Paul taught that we are no longer to know Jesus in the flesh, meaning Jesus of Nazareth.
But let us pay special attention to the “now” here.
This now is the essence of what the Father is doing today. Now, right now, the Spirit is revealing the Son in the believers as never before. The “now generation” is alive and well. Jesus is alive in believers who are seeing Christ as their only life.
What a glorious move of the Spirit this is. Perhaps the most popular "now" is to be found in Galatians, 2:20
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
Paul says that the life he then lived was Christ. It was a life that he lived in the flesh, his flesh, and he lived it by the faith of the Son of God. Oh, the glories found in this now. While so many misled believers are attempting to perfect their flesh by their own self-effort, Paul says that Jesus, God’s gift of life to the believer, has elected to live in the believer’s flesh (body) now, no waiting, no self-effort to perfect the body, but now! This idea does not fit with religion.
Religion would actually deny the believer this now Christ, awaiting some sort of probationary process to fit its own creeds. Religion would say that if the believer had Christ in him as simply as this, the believer could not possibly live the life.
But Paul goes on to say that this life is not lived by his faith, but by the faith of that in-dwelling Christ. This little line could be the salvation of all the weary believers wrapped up in the hyper-faith movement. They are becoming so weary of exercising their own faith and keeping it alive that sooner or later they will welcome a revelation of Christ as their life and begin to use and glory in His faith. This is in-deed the rest for the weary, His rest.

You, my friend, just hit a Chopper Home Run with this statement....
"But Paul goes on to say that this life is not lived by his faith, but by the faith of that in-dwelling Christ. This little line could be the salvation of all the weary believers wrapped up in the hyper-faith movement. They are becoming so weary of exercising their own faith and keeping it alive that sooner or later they will welcome a revelation of Christ as their life and begin to use and glory in His faith. This is in-deed the rest for the weary, His rest." (Important revelation by Soul man) (Red highlight is by Chopper)

Lets look at two different translations of "the life which I now live in the flesh" ....

King James Version which is correct: Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Notice that I don't live by MY faith (any faith that I ever received came from Christ as a gift).

English Standard Version which is incorrect: Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." ....Notice the absence of the definite article "the" before the word faith. This means just like Soul man said, it would be MY faith, NOT Jesus' faith.

I would rather pray with Jesus' faith rather than my own, wouldn't you?

 

[Soul man]

You, my friend, just hit a Chopper Home Run with this statement....
"But Paul goes on to say that this life is not lived by his faith, but by the faith of that in-dwelling Christ. This little line could be the salvation of all the weary believers wrapped up in the hyper-faith movement. They are becoming so weary of exercising their own faith and keeping it alive that sooner or later they will welcome a revelation of Christ as their life and begin to use and glory in His faith. This is in-deed the rest for the weary, His rest." (Important revelation by Soul man) (Red highlight is by Chopper)

Lets look at two different translations of "the life which I now live in the flesh" ....

King James Version which is correct: Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Notice that I don't live by MY faith (any faith that I ever received came from Christ as a gift).

English Standard Version which is incorrect: Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." ....Notice the absence of the definite article "the" before the word faith. This means just like Soul man said, it would be MY faith, NOT Jesus' faith.

I would rather pray with Jesus' faith rather than my own, wouldn't you?

Some of the different translations have left out what seems to be little words that don't really mean that much to the translators.
For example; faith in the Son of God seems to be a reasonable statement.
The difference is that is not what Paul said; I live by the faith of the son of God.
Major movements have come out of mistranslations, and the people are at an end of themselves.
Chopper, as we have discussed, you see the end result of the believer never being able to put it together, its elusive. Paul simply said if you don't follow me (through the scriptures) as I follow Christ you are not going to put it together, Gal. 1:6-9 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

 

[iLOVE]

To believe and understand who Christ is and what Christ has done (the new covenant), the vail must be removed to experience the rest of the Lord (2 Corinthians 3:16, Hebrews 4:3). You must be broken by the LORD to allow God through a broken heart to plant something new (Rev. 3:18). Faith in Christ must be proven genuwine before you can operate in it (1 Peter 1:7). We then become His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works (Eph. 2:10).

The Devil will show up in a form of a circumstance that is bigger than you (1 Peter 4:12). Many will be eliminated (difficult is the way - Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV), but three hundred will dip into the Water (placing Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work, which gives the Holy Spirit the legal means to help you in every caoacity of life) with their hand, while their eyes are steadfast; trusting, delighting, committing, and resting always in the Finished Work of Jesus Christ. (Judges 7:5-7 NKJV, Psalm 37:3-7 NKJV)

The premature death of a child are the few that enter into this rest. Isa. 57:1-2 NLT