Legalism

[gordon777]

Then when Christ is in us, the Spirit is life because of righteousness( believing in our heart that God raised Jesus Christ from the dead, so we be dead in our body to sin, is being alive unto God/righteousness, as with the heart man believes unto this righteousness/unto God.)




Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

 

[jaybo]

So he actually called yoou by your name?

No such word as "yoou" -- fact.

 

[Hopeful]

Hopeful: "The most succinct verse may be 1 Cor 6:11..."And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
Washed, sanctified, ad justified in the name of Jesus Christ.
And where is it we call upon the name of the Lord Jesus ?
At our water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
By God's grace, we have been given the gifts of repentance from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins."

Now I can show us all again what legalism is.
The above scripture quote is telling us of justification in the name of Jesus Christ. ( we are to believe in His name alone in all of this world) and how that justification occurs, is by the Spirit of our God.

Which scripture quote are you referring to?
And where, if anywhere, does it ever say "alone"?

For that sanctification, and justification, and Spirit of God, is entirely through the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ...
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
We enter in entirely by the blood of Jesus, as this is a new living way. ( water is not living)
That is WHY, it was testified FIRST, how LIVING WATERS WILL GO OUT FROM JERUSALEM, so we BELIEVE IN LIVING WATERS, TO BE THE NEW LIVING WAY.
Then we UNDERSTAND, how Jesus REVEALING to us, OUT OF HIS BELLY SHALL FLOW RIVERS OF LIVING WATER, is for us to believe in the blood of Jesus Christ.
After Jesus has died, out of His pierced side came out WATER AND BLOOD.
This had to be made witness ( recorded) as it is a true record of the truth so we might believe. ( in the blood and water of Jesus that are both living)
The living sprinkling blood of Jesus speaks better than Abel, as it gives man faith in the everlasting God.

1 John 5:8..."And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
The Spirit, water and blood are all the same thing on earth, when used for our sanctification and atonement.

Now, we enter ONLY, by that NEW LIVING WAY.
Now we draw nigh in a true heart in full assurance of faith, by having our hearts sprinkled( by the blood of sprinkling by believing in the living blood and living water of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior) from that evil conscience ( of unbelief in the LIVING WATER AND LIVING BLOOD) and THIS IS OUR BODIES WASHED IN PURE WATER, THERE IS NO OTHER WATER LIVING BUT THE LIVING WATER THAT CAME OUT OF THE BELLY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Legalism is when we wash with water of this world in baptism, ( not living water and faith not living in our heart) instead of the water that has been testified to the world to believe in, which is then not legalism, but is faith.)

For it to even be classified as "legal" it must be rooted in the Law of Moses...so...where in the Law of Moses is baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins enacted as Law?

faith is to know baptism is the good conscience to believe in all things of Jesus Christ, rather than the confusion of men, and that belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead IS BAPTISM FOR MAN.

When done in water, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, your conclusion is correct.
You can't have a good conscience without having your sins washed away by the blood of Christ at water baptism in His name.

Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

"By the blood of Christ", which is applied for our sanctification, justification, atonement, and consecration, when we are baptized into Christ and into His death and burial.
It is written..."Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Rom 6:3-4)
This is why 1 Peter 3:21 concludes with..."...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

When read without the part in parenthesis, it tells us..."
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins) saves us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
It is written..."For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" (Rom 6:5)
No "planting", no resurrection.

 

[gordon777]

Which scripture quote are you referring to?
And where, if anywhere, does it ever say "alone"?

Your own scripture quote has been answered with fuller information.



Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[gordon777]

1 John 5:8..."And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
The Spirit, water and blood are all the same thing on earth, when used for our sanctification and atonement.

The words are they bear witness, on earth, the Spirit the water and the blood, because the Spirit is truth, because the life of the Spirit is in the blood, and as the waters out of the belly of the Lord are living waters, of the Spirit.

 

[gordon777]

For it to even be classified as "legal" it must be rooted in the Law of Moses...so...where in the Law of Moses is baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins enacted as Law?

You have shown your character is to accept nothing and to dispute everrything, carry on for now.

It is legal because all was done the same before to the Hebrews, but they had no faith in them that heard it, as the law is not of faith.


1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.



Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

 

[gordon777]

When done in water, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, your conclusion is correct.
You can't have a good conscience without having your sins washed away by the blood of Christ at water baptism in His name.

That is not the testimony of the scripture, the good conscience comes alone through the belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and by nothing else that good conscience comes.


1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.



The water as told for you, is pure water out of the belly of Jesus Christ( it is the water if the same belief in the bood of Jesus Christ)

You think you can ignore every testimony, and yet they constantly answer how you just don't accept anything at all of the testimony of the Word of Christ. ( the testimony reveals all you do not believe in, and instead all you are doing is rejecting against yourself, which of course is a lot more yet.)




Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

 

[gordon777]

"By the blood of Christ", which is applied for our sanctification, justification, atonement, and consecration, when we are baptized into Christ and into His death and burial.
It is written..."Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Rom 6:3-4)
This is why 1 Peter 3:21 concludes with..."...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

Seems you cant acknowledge about the water out of the belly of Christ, that this is the living water, you keep talking about any other water for baptism, instead of the ONE LIVING WATER, out of the belly of Jesus Christ.

As this testimony speaks now about you, you constantly refer to broken cisterns ( of water on earth) that can hold no water, for your type of baptism, instead of the living waters that are of the Lord, for the only true baptism from Heaven( not from earth)

I know you do not believe in the living waters that are the Lord, and you wont show you do by talking about anything else.




Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Jeremiah 17:13 O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters.

Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.



Mark 11:30 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.

 

[gordon777]

When read without the part in parenthesis, it tells us..."
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins) saves us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
It is written..."For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" (Rom 6:5)
No "planting", no resurrection.

The planting of the Lord is of Heaven, not of earth, your speech is earth, mine is not the same as yours.

The quickening together with Him is in the Spirit, that is why He has gone into Heaven, get up to speed man..





Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1 John 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:





Baptism of earth, with our belief in water of the earth, is not u looking for Jesus in Heaven, nor our conversation in Heaven at all.

But baptism, of the living water out of the belly of Jesus Christ, is the baptism that saves us now, that is why we believe in the risen Lord, so we be baptizxed unto His death and live unto His resurrection.

 

[Hopeful]

Your own scripture quote has been answered with fuller information.

OK, thanks.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So the "alone" refers to the name of Jesus Christ.
I agree there is no other name under heaven in which we are baptized for the remission of past sins.

 

[Hopeful]

The words are they bear witness, on earth, the Spirit the water and the blood, because the Spirit is truth, because the life of the Spirit is in the blood, and as the waters out of the belly of the Lord are living waters, of the Spirit.

You keep dragging so much other things into the conversation that it is difficult to follow one point.
The water, blood, and Spirit, are one in the context of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

 

[Hopeful]

You have shown your character is to accept nothing and to dispute everrything, carry on for now.

It is legal because all was done the same before to the Hebrews, but they had no faith in them that heard it, as the law is not of faith.


1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.



Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Your ramblings not withstanding, the OT never prescribed baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
It is not part of the "legal" of the topic.

 

[Hopeful]

That is not the testimony of the scripture, the good conscience comes alone through the belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and by nothing else that good conscience comes.

The devils believe, and tremble...but they won't be saved.

 

[Hopeful]

Seems you cant acknowledge about the water out of the belly of Christ, that this is the living water, you keep talking about any other water for baptism, instead of the ONE LIVING WATER, out of the belly of Jesus Christ.

As the "water from the belly of Christ" is the Holy Spirit, and it agrees with normal H2O during water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (not to mention it also agrees with the blood of Christ), my acknowledgment is surely in evidence.

Mark 11:30 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.

John's water baptism unto repentance from sin was from heaven.
Now we do it in the name of Jesus Christ, and besides remission of sins, it also provides the death of our old man and our rebirth when we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
Thanks be to God !

 

[Hopeful]

The planting of the Lord is of Heaven, not of earth, your speech is earth, mine is not the same as yours.

"Planting" is a simile of our immersion in water.
It is of heaven, of God, through Jesus Christ.

The quickening together with Him is in the Spirit, that is why He has gone into Heaven, get up to speed man..

As the old man was killed, buried with Christ, the quickening is also physical.
"Quicken" means "make alive".

Baptism of earth, with our belief in water of the earth, is not u looking for Jesus in Heaven, nor our conversation in Heaven at all.

Though it surprises me that you refer to a gift of God as "of earth", I will stipulate that it is done on earth with God's created water.
If our repentance from sin is true we will also receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...sometimes referred to as the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

But baptism, of the living water out of the belly of Jesus Christ, is the baptism that saves us now, that is why we believe in the risen Lord, so we be baptizxed unto His death and live unto His resurrection.

Only Cornelius, and his friends, received the gift of the Holy Ghost before water baptism in the scriptures.
Neither is independent of the other.
One is the answer to a commandment, and the other is a gift from God.

 

[andy pandy]

No such word as "yoou" -- fact.

so he called you by your name?

 

[gordon777]

The devils believe, and tremble...but they won't be saved.

The devils do not believe,( in Jesus Christ/God) it is testified they believe there is ONE GOD.

That is why they who believe there is one God without works have a dead faith. ( no faith/belief, in Jesus Christ)



James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[gordon777]

As the "water from the belly of Christ" is the Holy Spirit, and it agrees with normal H2O during water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (not to mention it also agrees with the blood of Christ), my acknowledgment is surely in evidence.

John's water baptism unto repentance from sin was from heaven.
Now we do it in the name of Jesus Christ, and besides remission of sins, it also provides the death of our old man and our rebirth when we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
Thanks be to God !

The water from the belly of Christ is Heavenly, and is the water unlike of this world that we do not thirst again.

You are stuck in legalism and cant accept faith when it is shown to you.





Isaiah 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.


John 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 

[gordon777]

"Planting" is a simile of our immersion in water.
It is of heaven, of God, through Jesus Christ.

As the old man was killed, buried with Christ, the quickening is also physical.
"Quicken" means "make alive".

Though it surprises me that you refer to a gift of God as "of earth", I will stipulate that it is done on earth with God's created water.
If our repentance from sin is true we will also receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...sometimes referred to as the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Only Cornelius, and his friends, received the gift of the Holy Ghost before water baptism in the scriptures.
Neither is independent of the other.
One is the answer to a commandment, and the other is a gift from God.

Immersion in water of earth is just that, it is earthly planting. ( the seed for them is of the devil so they cannot grow in the Lord and are earthly, devilish)

Planting of Heaven, is when the seed is from Heaven( the Word of God) and when the water is of Heaven( from the belly of Christ) and when the sun which we grow by is the Son of God, and the good ground is not of this earth, it also is in a good heart which is the new covenant of the Lord taking the old( covenant) away of stone/stony heart, and giving us an heart of flesh by the Spirit of the Lord( the good conscience of the Lord Jesus Christ rising from the dead min our heart.)

 

[gordon777]

Only Cornelius, and his friends, received the gift of the Holy Ghost before water baptism in the scriptures.
Neither is independent of the other.
One is the answer to a commandment, and the other is a gift from God.

All receive the Spirit through belief in the rising of Jesus Christ.

You think you cant resist against the Holy Ghost, 9 truth of the Spirit) but you cant.




John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?