Bible Study Lets Talk About God's Will to heal.

[JLB]

Is God faithful, will God heal me? That is the million dollar question. My wife had to decide what she really believed. She literally could not even walk. She believed as she said she was healed, but her body was not lining up with that. I already knew that the emergency surgery would not go well, but I had to be quite and let her and God sort this out. That is hard to do. I asked the Lord to help her, give her wisdom. Help her faith.

So, she is in the hospital and fell asleep. In her sleep she had a dream about them operating on her. Things were going wrong with the surgery, it was all wrong. She woke up, and stood up and said, "Devil, I am done. This goes no further, I am healed, and your not stealing anything from me. I had enough."

My wife then walks out of the hospital, and I take her home.

That was the last day she had pain, or any issue with her gull bladder. Stone after stone in small pieces just passed through her for two days constantly. That was 5 years ago.

I don't know about Chopper's wife. For Chopper to believe God wants to help and heal after that tragic experience is amazing and a man who seeks truth, not looking at the natural, but fixed on the Word, saying this won't happen again devil.

It's written, my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

All my heart to do Grace is for you to see, and others that our Father in Heaven is awesome and always helps us in time of need. He is the healer, provider, and has great mercy even when we fall short.

What dose it hurt to say only, "My God will always see me through all things, my Father loves me."

What is wrong with just saying that, instead of I am sick, or this could kill me?

If you saw my son Grace, full of busted blood vessels, and barely breathing as the cancer ravaged his little body, you have to understand why I want you to know, God always will Heal you and help you. You can stand up and say, "NO devil, not my house. My God is bigger than you and no plague shall come neigh my dwelling."

Great Testimony and teaching Brother.

Unfortunately, most people have not been taught correctly about faith and healing.

Most people have not been taught correctly about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Thank God, that He gave your wife a word through that dream and she believed.

She showed she believed by confessing with her mouth -
"Devil, I am done. This goes no further, I am healed, and your not stealing anything from me. I had enough."

and getting up and walking out!

The faith to do this came from the Rhema word of God from her dream.

The word of God came to her in a vision saying...

Your the Blessed!


JLB

 

[gr8grace3]

Chopper has never told me about his wife, God has never mentioned her to me. There are many reasons why folks don't get healed and lack of Faith is not at the top of the list. Naaman for example was told to wash in the river Jordan, but............

2Ki 5:10-11 kjva 10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean. 11 But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

Naaman walked away mad, because he was not in agreement with the man of God on how he was supposed to be healed. In his mind on how it was suppose to work was far different on how God wanted to do it.

Listen to what else Naaman says.....

2Ki 5:12 kjva Are not Abana and Pharpar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? may I not wash in them, and be clean? So he turned and went away in a rage.

People are like this, if God wanted me healed then God would heal me. God just hits me up with healing power and shazam I get healed.

My group (WOF) is really bad at this, they know God's will on healing, but they just want to make confessions and do their own thing. It don't always work out for them. Same as Naaman,

Call on the name of the Lord, and he shall strike his hand over the place and Presto, the leper is clean. Forget that washing in a dirty river stuff.

Had Naaman not obeyed finally, then despite God's will to heal him, he would not have been healed.

Same with king Asa.

2Ch 16:12 kjva And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

We don't speculate on why someone is not healed unless the Lord tells us.

I wish you could "see" what you are implying(Speculating) here.

 

[gr8grace3]

Had I properly understood what the will of God is back then, my Wife would be here today

So your ignorance caused Her death? Have you ever heard of dying Grace Brother? It is a privilege for a mature believer to die in grace and glorify the Lord. No complaining,rely on Him for strength,be occupied with Christ in death,rightly use His doctrines to handle suffering. Stephen is a good example. He didn't pray for the stones to stop, He relied 100% on the Lord.

I wasn't there, but I am willing to bet that you are taking away the last gift that your wife gave for Her Lord.....die in grace and glorify Him..

You will be judged for that un-spiritual statement.

Brother, this is what this false doctrine will eventually come to. Heaping judgement on other brothers,sisters. And scare unbelievers away that need to be reached with the gospel.

 

[reba]

Some here believe mans words are in control of what God does .. elevating man to a higher place then God?

 

[gr8grace3]

Some here believe mans words are in control of what God does .. elevating man to a higher place then God?

I think what Gets lost in this reba is that God allows things to happen and that is still His will. And making the distinction between his desire and His will.

He desires that all men be saved, but we know that all men will not be saved.

 

[reba]

Years back in a service... a boy was sick i dont remember what the illness was , it wasn't a cold!, God told me to go up front and pray for him... i argued with God and lost of course ... i did not go... in the following days i am crying my heart out... our wonderful merciful God responded ... letting me know my problem with God is/was my lack of obedience .. The childs healing was God's 'problem' mine was obedence... or lack of...

 

[gr8grace3]

Years back in a service... a boy was sick i dont remember what the illness was , it wasn't a cold!, God told me to go up front and pray for him... i argued with God and lost of course ... i did not go... in the following days i am crying my heart out... our wonderful merciful God responded ... letting me know my problem with God is/was my lack of obedience .. The childs healing was God's 'problem' mine was obedence... or lack of...

Ok. Now we are onto something. It is not ALWAYS our disobedience and it is not ALWAYS Gods will to heal a child.......or us.

A child becomes sick and dies. God did not want that child healed(physically) because God knew that the Child was going to go through something even worse later on,was never going to have the gospel presented to them later in life, was going to be presented with an evil that God did not want the child to go through. And God took them home....to a place that is much,much,much,much,much better than this sick,twisted place.

 

[Brother Mike]

Great Testimony and teaching Brother.

Unfortunately, most people have not been taught correctly about faith and healing.

Most people have not been taught correctly about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Thank God, that He gave your wife a word through that dream and she believed.

She showed she believed by confessing with her mouth -
"Devil, I am done. This goes no further, I am healed, and your not stealing anything from me. I had enough."

and getting up and walking out!

The faith to do this came from the Rhema word of God from her dream.

The word of God came to her in a vision saying...

Your the Blessed!


JLB

Thank you brother.

Yes, it took a Rhema word from God.

There is a big difference in knowing something is true, and being convinced it's true.

Even standing on the word for weeks over the junk ink pens the prison sold, which would only write a few days and stop. Before the ink was hardly used. I knew I tithes, and I knew God rebuked the devoured for my sake that my ink pens shall not stop before their time was true. I tithed faithfully and that qualified me to have ink pens last their time and use all the ink.

3 weeks I meditated on that. If it's in the word, then it's true despite me not seeing it or having it.

Well, 4 weeks of bad ink pens, and time to go to the commissary to buy more, on my way the Lord spoke to me. (Not a voice, but inside) "I said, I will rebuke the devoured for your sake, your fruit shall not be cast to the ground before it's time."

It was like a light came on. I said that's right, my pens can't stop and have no choice but to use all the ink.

That was the last ink pen I bought during my prison stay. That thing kept writing despite not seeing any ink left in the tube. All my brothers always wanted to borrow that pen, and the joked calling it mikes anointed ink pen. They saw it for themselves.

It took a Rhema word to get me in Faith for what I knew belonged to me.

Some here believe mans words are in control of what God does .. elevating man to a higher place then God?

Would you post quote where that happened. I only teach to speak what God already said. I teach against speaking your own thing and expecting God to jump through hoops for you.

 

[Brother Mike]

Ok. Now we are onto something. It is not ALWAYS our disobedience and it is not ALWAYS Gods will to heal a child.......or us.

A child becomes sick and dies. God did not want that child healed(physically) because God knew that the Child was going to go through something even worse later on,was never going to have the gospel presented to them later in life, was going to be presented with an evil that God did not want the child to go through. And God took them home....to a place that is much,much,much,much,much better than this sick,twisted place.

So God sets the child on earth, has a plan for the child, but latter decides that the Lord of the harvest can no longer send laborers into the harvest, and he is just baffled on how to help that child, so he murders them (took them home) for lack of a better plan.

That makes sense to me...

 

[Chopper]

So your ignorance caused Her death? Have you ever heard of dying Grace Brother? It is a privilege for a mature believer to die in grace and glorify the Lord. No complaining,rely on Him for strength,be occupied with Christ in death,rightly use His doctrines to handle suffering. Stephen is a good example. He didn't pray for the stones to stop, He relied 100% on the Lord.

I wasn't there, but I am willing to bet that you are taking away the last gift that your wife gave for Her Lord.....die in grace and glorify Him..


Brother, this is what this false doctrine will eventually come to. Heaping judgement on other brothers,sisters. And scare unbelievers away that need to be reached with the gospel.

Your replies are not received by me as Truth. They are only your misguided opinions. I also think that you ought to change your name in your avatar. "gr8grace?" I don't see any! If you don't extend grace to your brother who you can communicate with, How can you say you love God Whom you don't communicate with like you do with me?

 

[gr8grace3]

So God sets the child on earth, has a plan for the child, but latter decides that the Lord of the harvest can no longer send laborers into the harvest, and he is just baffled on how to help that child, so he murders them (took them home) for lack of a better plan.

That makes sense to me...

Mike, Go to a childrens hospital and see those sick kids. Some(most) are not healed and die. We are talking thousands and thousands of little Kids Mike.

Why were they not healed?

 

[reba]

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
So a child dies and Brother Mike says God murdered the child... Following some of this teaching it goes place i doubt we want to go...
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I dont see life on earth in the same way i see eternal life... ...

 

[JLB]

It took a Rhema word to get me in Faith for what I knew belonged to me.

The Rhema word is the only thing that produces faith.

Faith comes by hearing the Rhema of God, that is to say, by hearing the Voice of God.

as it is written

7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7

However, faith without the work of obedience is dead.

If Noah doesn't do his part and prepare the Ark, then he and his family will not be saved.

Faith, without the work of obedience is dead.


JLB

 

[JLB]

If you don't extend grace to your brother who you can communicate with, How can you say you love God Whom you don't communicate with like you do with me?

Well said, and also teaches an eternal principle.


Example: How can you say you submit to God, who you can't see, if you haven't submitted to God's earthly authority
[ Parents, Pastor, Police] who you can see.


JLB

 

[gr8grace3]

Your replies are not received by me as Truth. They are only your misguided opinions. I also think that you ought to change your name in your avatar. "gr8grace?" I don't see any! If you don't extend grace to your brother who you can communicate with, How can you say you love God Whom you don't communicate with like you do with me?

I know they aren't Chopper and I really am not concerned about what you think. I am just concerned about my sister in Christ and Her legacy(your wife.) Whether you realize it or not, you are robbing her of her last witness for Christ and His grace in death, by saying," if you only knew faith for healing she would still be with us." God is sovereign over EVERY persons death.

 

[reba]

Well said, and also teaches an eternal principle.


Example: How can you say you submit to God, who you can't see, if you haven't submitted to God's earthly authority
[ Parents, Pastor, Police] who you can see.


JLB

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[JLB]

and moderators

Is that you Ruthy?

 

[Chopper]

Some here believe mans words are in control of what God does .. elevating man to a higher place then God?

Hi there Reba my old friend (not age) I agree with you on that, and it's a shame that young preachers are impressed with that so-called power that they think Jesus gave them "authority." I had a man in one of my home Bible studies that believed he had the authority to just speak healing, devils cast out and so on. Several of some who also were attended tried to convince him that it was the authority of Jesus, not his. As far as I know, he never changed his mind. Also, I never heard that anyone was healed, or devils cast out.

His life ended tragically when he assaulted his wife. The State Police came to their house because they knew he was armed with a handgun. To make a long story short, he shot it out with the police and was killed. I grieved over that man because I loved him so much because he and his Wife were motorcycle buddies with my Wife and me.

I do believe that if I know the will of God concerning a person or event, God wants me to believe what He wants me to do or say. I guess the difference is a balance between what you said, which is the will of man, and knowing what the will of God is.

 

[Chopper]

I know they aren't Chopper and I really am not concerned about what you think. I am just concerned about my sister in Christ and Her legacy(your wife.) Whether you realize it or not, you are robbing her of her last witness for Christ and His grace in death, by saying," if you only knew faith for healing she would still be with us." God is sovereign over EVERY persons death.

 

[Brother Mike]

The Rhema word is the only thing that produces faith.

Faith comes by hearing the Rhema of God, that is to say, by hearing the Voice of God.

as it is written

7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7

However, faith without the work of obedience is dead.

If Noah doesn't do his part and prepare the Ark, then he and his family will not be saved.

Faith, without the work of obedience is dead.


JLB

Let me get this straight. If Noah would not have obeyed God, and Naaman did not wash in the Jordan, then God would not Have saved them?

If I don't believe God may wants me healed, and don't meditate in his word, then God won't give me a Rhema word to have Faith to be healed? I might die, even though that was not God's plan for lack o taking heed like the man who built his house on the sand?

Really. Wow!!!! I bet that shocks some here.

Mike, Go to a childrens hospital and see those sick kids. Some(most) are not healed and die. We are talking thousands and thousands of little Kids Mike.

Why were they not healed?

Grace, you read anything I write? I was there brother. Chicago memorial hospital for children off lake shore drive. Now called lauri.

https://www.luriechildrens.org/en-us/Pages/index.aspx

My uncle went the and talked to the doctors. The told him my son would not live, just a day or so more.

My uncle then comes back to offer me a tombstone and to pay for everything to bury my son.

How thoughtful. NOT!!!, the devil.

I looked at him and said "I am not going to bury my son, no thank you."

Ya, I saw other parents and their terminally ill children. They tell me that pray and pray, hoping for a miracle. Guess what parents, your child is dead.

I saw some of these kids die, Christian parents.

I went to God, I wanted to help. The Lord said, "they don't know me, you have no place"

If you know someone. Then you know exactly how they will respond to bad situations. These parents were hoping and praying their kids live.

I know my father and had no doubt. My son would be fine. It would be impossible for my son to die despite what the doctors said.

Amazing some things you write grace.