Bible Study Lets Talk About God's Will to heal.

[gr8grace3]

Let me get this straight. If Noah would not have obeyed God, and Naaman did not wash in the Jordan, then God would not Have saved them?

If I don't believe God may wants me healed, and don't meditate in his word, then God won't give me a Rhema word to have Faith to be healed? I might die, even though that was not God's plan for lack o taking heed like the man who built his house on the sand?

Really. Wow!!!! I bet that shocks some here.



Grace, you read anything I write? I was there brother. Chicago memorial hospital for children off lake shore drive. Now called lauri.

https://www.luriechildrens.org/en-us/Pages/index.aspx

My uncle went the and talked to the doctors. The told him my son would not live, just a day or so more.

My uncle then comes back to offer me a tombstone and to pay for everything to bury my son.

How thoughtful. NOT!!!, the devil.

I looked at him and said "I am not going to bury my son, no thank you."

Ya, I saw other parents and their terminally ill children. They tell me that pray and pray, hoping for a miracle. Guess what parents, your child is dead.

I saw some of these kids die, Christian parents.

I went to God, I wanted to help. The Lord said, "they don't know me, you have no place"

If you know someone. Then you know exactly how they will respond to bad situations. These parents were hoping and praying their kids live.

I know my father and had no doubt. My son would be fine. It would be impossible for my son to die despite what the doctors said.

Amazing some things you write grace.

Whats amazing mike is that you just said that the parents killed all those kids.

 

[Gary]

Saying works of evil is of God is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Would you mind posting the verse for this?

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[jasonc]

I guess when my mom is 90 ish and im dying of cancer, being about 70 something might be wrong with her faith if im called home to jesus, even though mom would say God heal my son he is dying.

 

[Brother Mike]

Would you mind posting the verse for this?

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There are like two whole threads on this.

Attributing evil works to God is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. (Like saying God giving permission to a disobedient Angel to murder a man's children who obeyed him)

They said Jesus uses an unclean spirit to cast out DEVILS. Jesus said the kingdoms are not divided and the thief came to kill steal and destroy.

To say God does evil who by his spirit and not his might does this is saying the Holy Spirit is unclean and no better than a devil.

There are pages on this topic somewhere.

 

[Brother Mike]

Whats amazing mike is that you just said that the parents killed all those kids.

The child is sanctified by the believing parent. God said choose the blessing and your seed shall live. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because they reject knowledge, I'll also forget their children.

When the man came to Jesus about his son, Jesus asked him do you believe, all things are possible to them that believe.

What happens to the kid if parents don't believe, don't choose blessing but are ignorant of God's will?

Who's fault is that grace?

The curse causeless shall not come....

Is it safer to blame the one that makes planets, or the parents as scriptue says?

 

[gr8grace3]

The child is sanctified by the believing parent. God said choose the blessing and your seed shall live. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because they reject knowledge, I'll also forget their children.

When the man came to Jesus about his son, Jesus asked him do you believe, all things are possible to them that believe.

What happens to the kid if parents don't believe, don't choose blessing but are ignorant of God's will?

Who's fault is that grace?

The curse causeless shall not come....

Is it safer to blame the one that makes planets, or the parents as scriptue says?

The safe thing to do Mike, is understand that the creator of the universe has a directive will,a PERMISSIVE will and a over-ruling will.

And your lack of understanding that death was defeated on the Cross. God is not scared of our physical death. And concerning Children?

For every child that does not get healed....

Mark 10:14~~New American Standard Bible
But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, "Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

Psalm 116:15~~New American Standard Bible
Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His godly ones.

 

[Brother Mike]

The safe thing to do Mike, is understand that the creator of the universe has a directive will,a PERMISSIVE will and a over-ruling will.

And your lack of understanding that death was defeated on the Cross. God is not scared of our physical death. And concerning Children?

For every child that does not get healed....

Mark 10:14~~New American Standard Bible
But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, "Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

Psalm 116:15~~New American Standard Bible
Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His godly ones.

God's will is in his word. He will perfect those things that concern me. His will is his word. One will, not several. As his will for heaven, it's the same will he has for earth, and nobody is dying of cancer in heaven.

Psa 116:8-9 kjva 8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling. 9 I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.

Psa 116:15 amp Precious (important and no light matter) in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints (His loving ones).

If that verse means what you think, then God should kill us all and get great pleasure.

Psa 118:17 kjva I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.

Eze 18:32 kjva For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

So you believe if they are sinners the Lord has no pleasure that they die, so the need saved so then the Lord will be happy they are dead.

No, it's costly to the Lord and great price to those who serve him die, because he needs them alive to declare his word. Hence David said I will live, and God has kept me alive.

You missed some verses again.

You have also had the grace and opportunity to learn here, so we planted seed that I hope grows in you. I am done wasting revelation to some who do not value wisdom.

 

[gr8grace3]

God's will is in his word. He will perfect those things that concern me. His will is his word. One will, not several. As his will for heaven, it's the same will he has for earth, and nobody is dying of cancer in heaven.

Psa 116:8-9 kjva 8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling. 9 I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.

Psa 116:15 amp Precious (important and no light matter) in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints (His loving ones).

If that verse means what you think, then God should kill us all and get great pleasure.

Psa 118:17 kjva I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.

Eze 18:32 kjva For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

So you believe if they are sinners the Lord has no pleasure that they die, so the need saved so then the Lord will be happy they are dead.

No, it's costly to the Lord and great price to those who serve him die, because he needs them alive to declare his word. Hence David said I will live, and God has kept me alive.

You missed some verses again.

You have also had the grace and opportunity to learn here, so we planted seed that I hope grows in you. I am done wasting revelation to some who do not value wisdom.

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Thanks for the opportunity to debate with you Mike.

 

[Gary]

Attributing evil works to God is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My wife is well.
I believe God healed her.
However, I don't want to take sides here.
I believe in healing from God.
But..........
If we are to be healed as some of you say, why don't you all have ministries at Children's Hospitals?

 

[AirDancer]

My wife is well.
I believe God healed her.
However, I don't want to take sides here.
I believe in healing from God.
But..........
If we are to be healed as some of you say, why don't you all have ministries at Children's Hospitals?

Not just children's hospitals, but all hospitals, nursing homes, prisons..........the list is endless

 

[Christ_empowered]

OK...so, could it be that sometimes what we (and I, honestly) would call a "miracle" is really God's will in action? And that His will just can't be thwarted?

I think of my own life....scarred follicles, low IQ, brain damage, dead eyes. Became a Christian. 2 years in...I don't know if its "healing" or "restoration," but...loads of hair, good IQ, bright eyes...I dunno about brain cells, lol. Maybe I don't need them? But...was it really "healing" and/or "miracles" as I thought/think, or is it simply God's will in action, with nothing (not even me) being allowed to block it?

And I think of stories of healing you hear 2nd and 3rd hand from missionaries and such. I dunno. I had a counselor who was also a SBC minister, and he told me about seeing healings on his missions trips to Malawi (sp?). Poor Africans being healed...not the kind of stuff that makes it to CNN Headline news, you know?

 

[gr8grace3]

OK...so, could it be that sometimes what we (and I, honestly) would call a "miracle" is really God's will in action? And that His will just can't be thwarted?

I think of my own life....scarred follicles, low IQ, brain damage, dead eyes. Became a Christian. 2 years in...I don't know if its "healing" or "restoration," but...loads of hair, good IQ, bright eyes...I dunno about brain cells, lol. Maybe I don't need them? But...was it really "healing" and/or "miracles" as I thought/think, or is it simply God's will in action, with nothing (not even me) being allowed to block it?

And I think of stories of healing you hear 2nd and 3rd hand from missionaries and such. I dunno. I had a counselor who was also a SBC minister, and he told me about seeing healings on his missions trips to Malawi (sp?). Poor Africans being healed...not the kind of stuff that makes it to CNN Headline news, you know?

In missions and third world countries the Miracles are astounding. Do you know why? Because it is the MESSAGE(Gospel) behind the miracles, Their countries/areas have not had the MESSAGE(Gospel) established yet.. The United States has the MESSAGE(Gospel) Established so the miracles are not as great. We see pockets of healing and miracles in the USA to establish the MESSAGE to ones who have not heard the MESSAGE.

It is never about the miracles or healings.......It is about the MESSAGE(Gospel) behind the miracles or healings or signs or wonders.

Satan will perform signs and wonders.....but what is the message behind those signs and wonders?

 

[gr8grace3]

How easy is it for God to heal? He can do it when ever He wants.

The real miracle, is God saving an individual without violating his/her personal volition or freewill!!

 

[iLOVE]

Our King Lord Jesus Christ both has the compassion and power to meet our needs.

The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us...Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV

 

[JLB]

Let me get this straight. If Noah would not have obeyed God, and Naaman did not wash in the Jordan, then God would not Have saved them?

Save Noah and his family from the flood.

Faith, all by itself, without the work of obedience is dead.

Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:17

If Naaman believes God can heal him, but doesn't go and dip in the Jordan, then he doesn't get healed.


JLB

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Hello all my friends. I'd like to present two Scriptures on why I believe that healing is God's will for today.

1. Luke 5:12 "While he was in one of the cities, there came a man full of leprosy. And when he saw Jesus, he fell on his face and begged him, "Lord, if you will, you can make me clean." 5:13 "And Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, "I will; be clean." And immediately the leprosy left him." (ESV)

Lets look at what happened. This man was FULL of this dreaded disease, I suppose we could consider leprosy equal to cancer in it's death sentence. Notice what this man said. (my paraphrase) Lord, if it is Your will to heal me, I know You can make me clean. Jesus replied, (my paraphrase) It is My will, be clean....Is Jesus a respecter of persons? NO! Does He change? NO! If Jesus healed that man because it was His will, will He heal you? YES!

2. Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree".

Now we all know where sin came from. Adam sinned and incurred the curse of death and the eventual death of each of us. In the process of living there is sickness because of that curse. It is called the "curse of the Law" What Law? The Law that God laid down in the Garden when He told Adam that if he ate of the fruit of the tree, he would surely die....Now we have a New Covenant thru Jesus that replaced the Old Covenant. This Scripture says that Jesus REDEEMED us from the curse of the Law. Jesus paid that debt in full on the cross.

Now we can show respect to the finished work of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, by claiming for ourselves what He endured so that we can be healed.

Brother Chopper Amen and Thank YOU. I want to add a couple of things which I believe go right along with what you said here......
One is this....since we are redeemed from the curse of the law - this means we are redeemed from the curse of sickness and disease !! Thank You Jesus.
The other is this...
Mark 14:12 KJV
... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do SHALL he do ALSO AND Greater works than these shall he do; BECAUSE I go unnto my Father.

Brother Chopper I think every one can agree that God heals......:amen....I think we need a thread ON HOW TO GET HIM TO DO IT.
That is the real question the people cry out for.....What do you think about this ?
Have a wonderful and blessed day Brother Chopper
Jim

 

[iLOVE]

Our King Lord Jesus Christ both has the compassion and power to meet our needs.

The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us...Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV

16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” Daniel 3 NIV

Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego said, "18 But even if he does not".

Wow! This is understanding the counsel of the LORD...If it is His will!

 

[Chopper]

Brother Chopper Amen and Thank YOU. I want to add a couple of things which I believe go right along with what you said here......
One is this....since we are redeemed from the curse of the law - this means we are redeemed from the curse of sickness and disease !! Thank You Jesus.
The other is this...
Mark 14:12 KJV
... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do SHALL he do ALSO AND Greater works than these shall he do; BECAUSE I go unnto my Father.

Brother Chopper I think every one can agree that God heals......:amen....I think we need a thread ON HOW TO GET HIM TO DO IT.
That is the real question the people cry out for.....What do you think about this ?
Have a wonderful and blessed day Brother Chopper
Jim

Oh my good Brother. May God bless your faith and understanding of the Truth! That is a wonderful suggestion. We are very near the end of this thread. I really don't appreciate the comments of the unbelievers of God's will to heal. I feel that those comments are bad for new believers who want the Truth instead of man's traditions and opinions.

Would you please start that new thread? I simply love your theology and spiritual insight into healing. I also believe that your comments are generated and placed by the Holy Spirit into your heart to teach us the TRUTH.

 

[Chopper]

Brother Chopper Amen and Thank YOU. I want to add a couple of things which I believe go right along with what you said here......
One is this....since we are redeemed from the curse of the law - this means we are redeemed from the curse of sickness and disease !! Thank You Jesus.
The other is this...
Mark 14:12 KJV
... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do SHALL he do ALSO AND Greater works than these shall he do; BECAUSE I go unnto my Father.

Brother Chopper I think every one can agree that God heals......:amen....I think we need a thread ON HOW TO GET HIM TO DO IT.
That is the real question the people cry out for.....What do you think about this ?
Have a wonderful and blessed day Brother Chopper
Jim

Oh my good Brother. May God bless your faith and understanding of the Truth! That is a wonderful suggestion. We are very near the end of this thread. I really don't appreciate the comments of the unbelievers of God's will to heal. I feel that those comments are bad for new believers who want the Truth instead of man's traditions and opinions.

Would you please start that new thread? I simply love your theology and spiritual insight into healing. I also believe that your comments are generated and placed by the Holy Spirit into your heart to teach us the TRUTH.