LGBT and Genetics

[Gendou Ikari]

Why does everybody who is conservative assume people who are pro-LGBT, believe that sexual orientation is determined by genetics? :

 

[theLords]

What is the obsession with LGBT people?????????

That's what's more confusing. :

 

[Lance_Iguana]

What is the obsession with LGBT people?????????

That's what's more confusing. :

We are an easy target because we are a small minority that happens to fall on that line where the information is fairly new.

People need an enemy, usually those they don't understand become the enemy.

Not to mention how America's culture is built enormously around sex and Male heterosexuality, so when something that dosen't fit into that area comes along, its seen as bad because we don't fit the model people are used to dealing with.

That and the gymnastics people use to claim the Bible was talking about something we didn't even have a decent grasp on until the 20th century.

Pretty much modern ideas trying to be mashed into 1st century reasoning.

 

[theLords]

I'm referring to this board. Topic after topic after topic, it's like woah.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I'm referring to this board. Topic after topic after topic, it's like woah.

Its because right now, homosexuality is being challanged so much in society.

That's about it really. Its a distraction. Rather then people adress the real problems we have, we seek out a group to lump all our problems on. It makes people feel like they are in more control, by dominating others.

Its the same reason why people go after evolution and cosmology. Its easier to bully people or distort information rather then deal with the fact that we are in a recession and we are in 2 wars where people die everyday.

Another reason people are probably bringing it up so much, is because we are coming to the end of an era where people tried so hard to hide us gays and trans people, that now that they can actually see we are no different then them, they want to know why we are such a problem. A real answer not just a " because I said so" answer.

 

[theLords]

Yeah, I get that, but it seems a little out of hand at times (especially when they get a little risqué). This is a Christian forum geared for talking about Christ and the Bible, and not a secular forum without these types of guidelines. I do see your point though.

It's kind of like 100 threads talking about Harry Potter on a Twilight message board. After a while ...

Blessings, my friend! :D

 

[Mike]

I can see the potential for this thread to get heated. Please consider what you write before you submit it. It's already gone off topic from the OP, but a civil discussion on the matter doesn't have to be negative.

Let's be productive with this in trying to understand each other.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Yeah, I get that, but it seems a little out of hand at times (especially when they get a little risqué). This is a Christian forum geared for talking about Christ and the Bible, and not a secular forum without these types of guidelines. I do see your point though.

It's kind of like 100 threads talking about Harry Potter on a Twilight message board. After a while ...

Blessings, my friend! :D

It will blow over soon and people will move on to something else, then we'll rebound to it again.

There are no elections going on for a few more months and there really is nothing else big going on. This is also evident because Illuminati and Christians nit pick other Christians threads are starting to pop up as well.

As soon as Thanks giving is over, we'll start seeing Christmas threads again.

Its just nature of message boards. It gets boring talking about the same thing all the time. ;)

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I can see the potential for this thread to get heated. Please consider what you write before you submit it. It's already gone off topic from the OP, but a civil discussion on the matter doesn't have to be negative.

Let's be productive with this in trying to understand each other.

Agreed.

On topic. I think Homosexuality is a combination of Hormones, environment, and genetics.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

What is the obsession with LGBT people?????????

That's what's more confusing. :

You have to understand that for people like me, and especially people such as Lance, the battle for LGBT rights is fundamentally the same as the Civil Rights Movement for race and ethnicity in the 1960's. The revulsion I am sure you feel at the thought of miscegenation (interracial marriage) being illegal, is the same revulsion we feel at same-sex marriage being illegal.

For a more personal reason? Since the end of last semester (i.e. May 2010), five of my female friends have told me that they were bisexual or lesbian, and another one of my male friends is struggling with public expression of his homosexuality. So, anti-gay prejudice adversely affects me, because I am somewhat protective of my friends.

Yeah, I get that, but it seems a little out of hand at times (especially when they get a little risqué). This is a Christian forum geared for talking about Christ and the Bible, and not a secular forum without these types of guidelines. I do see your point though.

It's kind of like 100 threads talking about Harry Potter on a Twilight message board. After a while ...

Blessings, my friend! :D

I asked simply because there is this misperception that people who are pro-LGBT believe sexual orientation is solely genetic.

 

[handy]

Why does everybody who is conservative assume people who are pro-LGBT, believe that sexual orientation is determined by genetics? :

I have to admit, your question confuses me just a bit...if I have my stuffy, aching head around this correctly you are asking why conservatives think that people who are for homosexual rights and openness think LGBT is driven by genetics rather than choice and therefore not to be looked down upon.

As if there was something evil or wrong about choosing to love a person of the same-sex rather than being genetically driven to do so.

auuggghhh, probably much to subtle a question for me to get my head around.

However, if this is what you are driving at, I think it would be because the homosexual community, as well as populist media like Time Magazine and different news shows, have pushed and pushed for the past 20 years that sexual orientation is a matter of genetics and not choice.

Some conservatives believe that it is choice not genetics. Other conservatives have come to believe that it is genetics, therefore "God made them that way, so it's OK."

Some, like myself, believe that homosexuality can be either genetically motivated, or a choice.

But, if I am getting the gist of your question, Gendou, it is this: If having a LGBT relationship is a choice, then what's wrong with that?

So now the discussion is, why are we to assume that LGBT is inherently wrong?

I was reading an autobiography about a black woman whose skin was lighter. She said that she was once asked by a dentist, "I hope I don't offend you, but are you black?" as if somehow being black was an offense. I see your question as making the same query about homosexuality, as if being homosexual is an offense.

Either that, or I'm too spaced out by cold meds right now to think this through correctly.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

As if there was something evil or wrong about choosing to love a person of the same-sex rather than being genetically driven to do so....

But, if I am getting the gist of your question, Gendou, it is this: If having a LGBT relationship is a choice, then what's wrong with that?

So now the discussion is, why are we to assume that LGBT is inherently wrong?

I was reading an autobiography about a black woman whose skin was lighter. She said that she was once asked by a dentist, "I hope I don't offend you, but are you black?" as if somehow being black was an offense. I see your question as making the same query about homosexuality, as if being homosexual is an offense.

Not really. I am not asking any sort of normative question. I am only interested in why so many Christians/Conservatives assume that pro-LGBT persons believe sexual orientation is genetic. I honestly do not know how I can make it any clearer.

 

[handy]

Forgive my cloudy head then, Gendou. That is pretty basic after all.

Then my answer is what I mentioned before, for the past 20 or so years, homosexuality as genetic has been pushed and pushed hard by both the homosexual community and by the media.

It's an easy assumption to think that anyone who is for LGBT rights must believe that it is genetic, but, just like all generalizations, it's not right all the time...just like thinking that all conservatives assume that all who support gay rights must think homosexuality is genetic.

:morning I really should go back to bed...

 

[theLords]

Not really. I am not asking any sort of normative question. I am only interested in why so many Christians/Conservatives assume that pro-LGBT persons believe sexual orientation is genetic. I honestly do not know how I can make it any clearer.

Don't mind her she's drugged up

However, I think there is a fundamental flaw in your question:

"I am only interested in why so many Christians/Conservatives assume that pro-LGBT persons believe sexual orientation is genetic."

You are assuming that Christians/Conservatives assume that pro-LGBT persons believe sexual orientation is genetic.

You can't get very far with assumptions

 

[theLords]

Forgive my cloudy head then, Gendou. That is pretty basic after all.

Then my answer is what I mentioned before, for the past 20 or so years, homosexuality as genetic has been pushed and pushed hard by both the homosexual community and by the media.

It's an easy assumption to think that anyone who is for LGBT rights must believe that it is genetic, but, just like all generalizations, it's not right all the time...just like thinking that all conservatives assume that all who support gay rights must think homosexuality is genetic.

:morning I really should go back to bed...

Feel better soon!!!!

 

[Christ_empowered]

It does seem that many, if not most, pro-LGBT rights/marriage people put forth the genetic argument as one reason not to discriminate. I'm not big on the genetic theory myself--as a person who deals with same-sex attraction, I've moved on to other, older theories, like the ones linking early childhood gender issues and various forms of narcissism to later homosexual behavior.

Anyway, I think the genetic argument is common b/c its been pushed hard by the media and its just so easy and appealing.

 

[Danus]

Why does everybody who is conservative assume people who are pro-LGBT, believe that sexual orientation is determined by genetics? :

?? Conservatives believe homosexuality is genetic? I doubt you'll find very many "conservatives" that would agree with that. It's usually the more liberal thinkers who feel it's genetic, or that there is a genetic link.

Science has yet to find a genetic link to homosexuality, although you might find a few studies. Still no proof or persuasive evidence.

As for homosexual RIGHTS? well, that's interesting. What rights today do homosexuals not have that they could or should have, beyond anyone's God given rights?

Some may say marriage. However, beyond state sectioned marriage a homosexual marriage is not something God would sanction as a marriage anyway. The only question is, does the state want to get behind something that it affords others through the spiritual right of marriage devised by God in the first place. That's where marriage as the state recognizes it, comes from to begin with.

The state did not create marriage. God did. The state only recognizes that for it's obvious benefits to society. So for homosexuals to say; "We should have the right to marry"...is really like a bike rider to say; "we should be able to ride bikes in on the highway." since the highway was built for motorized vehicles to begin with. There is a similar silliness and asinine quality to the idea to homosexual marriage. IE.... the state sanctioning a completely non-biblical idea based on sanctioning a biblical idea.

However, if Homosexuals want to have some sort of state sanctioned agreement that they want to call marriage so that they can enjoy similar benefits from the stet that married people do, I personalty could care less.

You can call it what you want, even have elaborate ceremonies. God's not going to bless such a union regardless of how we feel about it, and I'm still going to teach my kids that it's wrong and speak publicly against it because it's what I believe based on what is my right.

 

[Danus]

Why does everybody who is conservative assume people who are pro-LGBT, believe that sexual orientation is determined by genetics? :

I feel I should say this publicly. I think it's highly immature and certainly inappropriate to be using a child actors photo as your icon. That's pretty weak my friend.

I'll leave this comment to the moderators.

 

[lamplady]

You have to understand that for people like me, and especially people such as Lance, the battle for LGBT rights is fundamentally the same as the Civil Rights Movement for race and ethnicity in the 1960's. The revulsion I am sure you feel at the thought of miscegenation (interracial marriage) being illegal, is the same revulsion we feel at same-sex marriage being illegal.

For a more personal reason? Since the end of last semester (i.e. May 2010), five of my female friends have told me that they were bisexual or lesbian, and another one of my male friends is struggling with public expression of his homosexuality. So, anti-gay prejudice adversely affects me, because I am somewhat protective of my friends.

Lets get one thing straight the so called battle for the lgbt and civil rights movement ARE NOT THE SAME.

Yours is a SINFUL cause, my brethren across the waters was NOT!! AND I HATE HATE HATE it when people, in fact ONLY GAYS try to link the two.

I FIND IT DEEPLY OFFENSIVE but you wouldn't care about that would you - because it's 'sexy' to have the black cause lumped in your gay cause.

No TRUE believer are against gays but we MUST preach the gospel as it it written ...

 

[Danus]

Lets get one thing straight the so called battle for the lgbt and civil rights movement ARE NOT THE SAME.

Yours is a SINFUL cause, my brethren across the waters was NOT!! AND I HATE HATE HATE it when people, in fact ONLY GAYS try to link the two.

I FIND IT DEEPLY OFFENSIVE but you wouldn't care about that would you - because it's 'sexy' to have the black cause lumped in your gay cause.

No TRUE believer are against gays but we MUST preach the gospel as it it written ...

Well said. I did not want to go there but I'll back you up.