Steal, kill, destroy.
All except personal death. (Which you mentioned).
Must be something about the 2nd death. Right now I do not see it clearly enough to make a comment.
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All except personal death. (Which you mentioned).
Must be something about the 2nd death. Right now I do not see it clearly enough to make a comment.
eddif
- In Job 2:4, the devil says skin for skin!
- then in Job 2:6:
“Very well,”
הִנּ֣וֹ (hin·nōw)
Interjection | third person masculine singular
Strong's 2005: Lo! behold!
said
וַיֹּ֧אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say
the LORD
יְהוָ֛ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3069: YHWH
to Satan.
הַשָּׂטָ֖ן (haś·śā·ṭān)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 7854: An opponent -- Satan, the arch-enemy of good
“He is in your hands,
בְיָדֶ֑ךָ (ḇə·yā·ḏe·ḵā)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct | second person masculine singular
Strong's 3027: A hand
but
אַ֖ךְ (’aḵ)
Adverb
Strong's 389: A particle of affirmation, surely
you must spare
שְׁמֹֽר׃ (šə·mōr)
Verb - Qal - Imperative - masculine singular
Strong's 8104: To hedge about, guard, to protect, attend to
his life.”
נַפְשׁ֥וֹ (nap̄·šōw)
Noun - feminine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 5315: A soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
- Thus he is in your hands = the devil can do whatever he wants with him!
- With a limit = but you must spare his life! = he can't kill him!
- The question is the faithfulness of Job!
- The devil can do everything except the last step which is killing Job!
-The devil wants to try everything and especially make Job lose any hope!
journeyman
Member
This is exactly what the devil tried to do to God, when Jesus walked on earth,
Now when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time. Lk.4:13
And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Lk.22:44
- Quite different from prayers of men!
journeyman
Member
I believe Jesus is the only man who could have called the law to condemn his enemies, without condemning himself.
When we see the injustices done to our Creator, it's understandable that he sweat blood fighting off the temptation to kill his enemies.
- He was the only one who knew what was going to happen to him!
- He knew it was going to be a very hard time!
https://www.gotquestions.org/life-Job.html
The life of Job demonstrates that humans are often unaware of the many ways God is at work in the life of each believer. Job’s life is also one that prompts the common question, “Why do bad things happen to good people?” It is the age-old question, and difficult to answer, but believers know that God is always in control, and, no matter what happens, there are no coincidences—nothing happens by chance. Job was a believer; he knew that God was on the throne and in total control, though he had no way of knowing why so many terrible tragedies were occurring in his life.
Job was "blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil" (Job 1:1). He had ten children and was a man of great wealth. The Bible tells us that one day Satan presented himself before God and God asked Satan what he thought of Job. Satan accused Job of honoring God only because God had blessed him. So, God allowed Satan to take away Job’s wealth and his children. Later, God allowed Satan to afflict Job physically. Job grieved deeply but did not charge God with wrongdoing (Job 1:22; 42:7–8).
Job’s friends were certain that Job must have sinned in order to deserve punishment and argued with him about it. But Job maintained his innocence, though he confessed that he wanted to die and did ask questions of God. A younger man, Elihu, attempted to speak on God’s behalf before God, Himself, answered Job. Job 38—42 contain some of the most stunning poetry about the magnitude and might of God. Job responded to God’s discourse in humility and repentance, saying he had spoken of things he did not know (Job 40:3–5; 42:1–6). God told Job’s friends that He was angry with them for speaking falsehoods about Him, unlike Job who had spoken truth (Job 42:7–8). God told them to offer sacrifices and that Job would pray on their behalf and God would accept Job’s prayer. Job did so, likely forgiving his friends for their harshness himself. God restored Job’s fortunes two-fold (Job 42:10) and "blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part" (Job 42:12). Job lived 140 years after his suffering.
Job never lost his faith in God, even under the most heartbreaking circumstances that tested him to his core. It’s hard to imagine losing everything we own in one day—property, possessions, and even children. Most men would sink into depression and perhaps even become suicidal after such massive loss. Though depressed enough to curse the day of his birth (Job 3:1–26), Job never cursed God (Job 2:9–10) nor did he waver in his understanding that God was still in control. Job’s three friends, on the other hand, instead of comforting him, gave him bad advice and even accused him of committing sins so grievous that God was punishing him with misery. Job knew God well enough to know that He did not work that way; in fact, he had such an intimate, personal relationship with Him that he was able to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face” (Job 13:15). When Job’s wife suggested he curse God and die, Job replied "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" (Job 2:10).
The life of Job demonstrates that humans are often unaware of the many ways God is at work in the life of each believer. Job’s life is also one that prompts the common question, “Why do bad things happen to good people?” It is the age-old question, and difficult to answer, but believers know that God is always in control, and, no matter what happens, there are no coincidences—nothing happens by chance. Job was a believer; he knew that God was on the throne and in total control, though he had no way of knowing why so many terrible tragedies were occurring in his life.
Job was "blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil" (Job 1:1). He had ten children and was a man of great wealth. The Bible tells us that one day Satan presented himself before God and God asked Satan what he thought of Job. Satan accused Job of honoring God only because God had blessed him. So, God allowed Satan to take away Job’s wealth and his children. Later, God allowed Satan to afflict Job physically. Job grieved deeply but did not charge God with wrongdoing (Job 1:22; 42:7–8).
Job’s friends were certain that Job must have sinned in order to deserve punishment and argued with him about it. But Job maintained his innocence, though he confessed that he wanted to die and did ask questions of God. A younger man, Elihu, attempted to speak on God’s behalf before God, Himself, answered Job. Job 38—42 contain some of the most stunning poetry about the magnitude and might of God. Job responded to God’s discourse in humility and repentance, saying he had spoken of things he did not know (Job 40:3–5; 42:1–6). God told Job’s friends that He was angry with them for speaking falsehoods about Him, unlike Job who had spoken truth (Job 42:7–8). God told them to offer sacrifices and that Job would pray on their behalf and God would accept Job’s prayer. Job did so, likely forgiving his friends for their harshness himself. God restored Job’s fortunes two-fold (Job 42:10) and "blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part" (Job 42:12). Job lived 140 years after his suffering.
Job never lost his faith in God, even under the most heartbreaking circumstances that tested him to his core. It’s hard to imagine losing everything we own in one day—property, possessions, and even children. Most men would sink into depression and perhaps even become suicidal after such massive loss. Though depressed enough to curse the day of his birth (Job 3:1–26), Job never cursed God (Job 2:9–10) nor did he waver in his understanding that God was still in control. Job’s three friends, on the other hand, instead of comforting him, gave him bad advice and even accused him of committing sins so grievous that God was punishing him with misery. Job knew God well enough to know that He did not work that way; in fact, he had such an intimate, personal relationship with Him that he was able to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face” (Job 13:15). When Job’s wife suggested he curse God and die, Job replied "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" (Job 2:10).
Job’s plight, from the death of his children and loss of his property to the physical torment he endured, plus the harangue of his so-called friends, never caused his faith to waver. He knew who his Redeemer was, he knew that He was a living Savior, and he knew that someday He would physically stand on the earth (Job 19:25). He understood that man’s days are ordained (numbered) and they cannot be changed (Job 14:5). The spiritual depth of Job shows throughout the book. James refers to Job as an example of perseverance, writing, "Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy" (James 5:10–11).
There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14). The book mentions dinosaurs—not by that name, but the description of the behemoth is certainly dinosaur-like—living side by side with man (Job 40:15–24).
The book of Job gives us a glimpse behind the veil that separates earthly life from the heavenly. In the beginning of the book, we see that Satan and his fallen angels are still allowed access to heaven, going in and out to the prescribed meetings that take place there. What is obvious from these accounts is that Satan is busy working his evil on earth, as recorded in Job 1:6–7. Also, this account shows how Satan is “the accuser of the brethren,” which corresponds to Revelation 12:10, and it shows his arrogance and pride, as written in Isaiah 14:13–14. It is amazing to see how Satan challenges God; he has no scruples about confronting the Most High. The account in Job shows Satan as he truly is—haughty and evil to the core.
Perhaps the greatest lesson we learn from the book of Job is that God does not have to answer to anyone for what He does or does not do. Job’s experience teaches us that we may never know the specific reason for suffering, but we must trust in our sovereign, holy, righteous God. His ways are perfect (Psalm 18:30). Since God’s ways are perfect, we can trust that whatever He does—and whatever He allows—is also perfect. We can’t expect to understand God’s mind perfectly, as He reminds us, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8–9).
Our responsibility to God is to obey Him, to trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. When we do, we will find God in the midst of our trials—possibly even because of our trials. We will see more clearly the magnificence of our God, and we will say, with Job, “My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you” (Job 42:5).
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Remember:
There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14). The book mentions dinosaurs—not by that name, but the description of the behemoth is certainly dinosaur-like—living side by side with man (Job 40:15–24).
The book of Job gives us a glimpse behind the veil that separates earthly life from the heavenly. In the beginning of the book, we see that Satan and his fallen angels are still allowed access to heaven, going in and out to the prescribed meetings that take place there. What is obvious from these accounts is that Satan is busy working his evil on earth, as recorded in Job 1:6–7. Also, this account shows how Satan is “the accuser of the brethren,” which corresponds to Revelation 12:10, and it shows his arrogance and pride, as written in Isaiah 14:13–14. It is amazing to see how Satan challenges God; he has no scruples about confronting the Most High. The account in Job shows Satan as he truly is—haughty and evil to the core.
Perhaps the greatest lesson we learn from the book of Job is that God does not have to answer to anyone for what He does or does not do. Job’s experience teaches us that we may never know the specific reason for suffering, but we must trust in our sovereign, holy, righteous God. His ways are perfect (Psalm 18:30). Since God’s ways are perfect, we can trust that whatever He does—and whatever He allows—is also perfect. We can’t expect to understand God’s mind perfectly, as He reminds us, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8–9).
Our responsibility to God is to obey Him, to trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. When we do, we will find God in the midst of our trials—possibly even because of our trials. We will see more clearly the magnificence of our God, and we will say, with Job, “My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you” (Job 42:5).
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Remember:
- If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!
- They used to write differently!
- They used to speak differently!
- They used to think differently!
- They used to act differently!
journeyman
Member
I know, but he looked past it
for the joy that was set before him. He endured the cross...Heb.12/2
The love Jesus showed towards sinners meant more to him than the hate heaped on him.
- Job knew God well enough to know that He did not work that way; in fact, he had such an intimate, personal relationship with Him that he was able to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face” (Job 13:15).
- The spiritual depth of Job shows throughout the book. James refers to Job as an example of perseverance, writing, "Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy" (James 5:10–11).
- There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14).
- He is the only man of whom Yah·weh said: there is no one like him on earth!
- No man has faced such a trial!
- He is the example of faithfulness!
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Remember:
- If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!
- They used to write differently!
- They used to speak differently!
- They used to think differently!
- They used to act differently!
Luke 7:28 kjv
28. For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
At this point it gets tricky.
Type of faithfulness vs a prophet.
Or
Then vs all time
Or
Pre kingdom vs kingdom
We could try to make our way the way. The I AM is all this.
The book of Job is extremely complex. Many areas are hinted at. Symbolism abounds.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
- It's different!
- Jesus says that about John because he prepared his coming!
- In the case of Job, he is the only one who demonstrated such a faithfulness!
- He was the only one Yah·weh said there is no one like him on earth!
- He is the only who participated in such a trial between Yah·weh and the devil!
- With such consequences for Job!
If we parse this passage you refer to. Hebrew language, Greek scholars, etc.
Is it then about Job or all time. I think John the Baptist is a broader time frame. I ran into most language scholars almost always come up with their groups belief.
eddif
- Well, on the one hand, you have a book of Job with 42 chapters about Job!
- John the baptist is told about in Matthew chapter 3, Mark chapter 1, Luke chapters 1, 3, 7, John chapters 1,5!
41) Looking for Job
Job 7:
When I lie down I ask, “When will I get up?
But as the night drags on, I toss restlessly
until the dawning of the day.
- Job can’t sleep well as he “tosses restlessly”
- He has lost everything!
- He is left alone!
- There are three individuals fighting against him!
- He is ill!
- The situation deteriorates months after months!
- As if it was not enough, he can’t sleep at night: can it be worse?
- Job wants to die but he is not going to kill himself!
- On the contrary, he finds the energy to fight back the three individuals!
Job 7:
When I lie down I ask, “When will I get up?
But as the night drags on, I toss restlessly
until the dawning of the day.
- Job can’t sleep well as he “tosses restlessly”
- He has lost everything!
- He is left alone!
- There are three individuals fighting against him!
- He is ill!
- The situation deteriorates months after months!
- As if it was not enough, he can’t sleep at night: can it be worse?
- Job wants to die but he is not going to kill himself!
- On the contrary, he finds the energy to fight back the three individuals!
If you look around you see one servant made it back. His wife is still around. If you think Job got back double what he had before the trouble. Then, Job has not lost his children permanently. He gets back the same number of children he had. At the Resurrection he should have his original children and his new children (giving him twice the number he had) His prayers seem to have been effective. You have to jump through some hoops, but we have to look closely as we study Job.
The twelve gates are the tribes of Israel. The 12 foundations are the 12 Apostles. Both are present at the Resurrection.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
- Yes, but after so much trouble, the important is to recover!
- What comes in the future is another story!
- It was such a crazy situation!
- All his world was destroyed!
- And he could only see more trouble!
- So being able to know what was on!
- Communicating again with God!
- And God would explain to him what was possible to explain!
- And above all the fact it has nothing to do with his faithfulness!
- And the possibility to get back to a normal life would help him to gradually forget what had happened to him!
- Not completely but when things get better you can concentrate on your new life!
- And get a new start!
I guess I see the good that happened to Job.
Job went t from hearing about God to seeing him. He went from mostly family to praying for those outside his family (?).
Hebrews 6 is not about backtracking to a restart, but realizing the gain and pressing forward. The Jews were leaving the physical law of Moses and having the law placed in a new heart of Flesh, and getting the law placed in their mind.(mind of Christ)
eddif
- We are told about Job's feelings!
- About his losses!
- We know he had a special relationship to God!
- And God said there is no one like him on earth!
- During his trial, we know the communication is cut with God!
- But we don'tb know how God used to communicate with him!
- Some say he used to live about the time of Abraham!
- Genesis tells us that God used to speak with Abraham!
- He appeared to him!
- Or he sent him his angels!
- Visions!
- Dreams!
- There were many possibilities!
- What is sure is that he had a special and strong relationship to God!