Looking for verses to suport Holy City AFTER 1,000 years.

[DiscipleDave]

There is a teaching today that teaches the Holy City Jerusalem will come down AFTER the 1,000 year Reign of Christ on Earth. Just would like to see the Scriptures that people interpret to mean that?

Also there is a teaching today that teaches the New Heaven and New Earth are created AFTER the 1,000 year Reign of Christ on Earth. Just would like to see the Scriptures the people interpret to get that ideal?

Seriously, i am not trying to be funny, or sarcastic, or anything, i seriously desire to know the verses where people get these two ideal from. i have read the entire Bible front to back over 80 times in my life and i have never, not once, read any such ideals in the Bible, so i am seriously asking where in Scriptures do these ideals come from? Thanks.

 

[Michael74]

I would guess people think that because the 1000 years is in Revelation 20, and New Jerusalem is in Revelation 21.

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2 NKJV

Any reason to think they are not in chronological order? The 1000 years would seem to be on the old earth, which no longer exists when New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. I am not an expert on such matters though.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I would guess people think that because the 1000 years is in Revelation 20, and New Jerusalem is in Revelation 21.

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2 NKJV

Any reason to think they are not in chronological order? The 1000 years would seem to be on the old earth, which no longer exists when New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. I am not an expert on such matters though.

Thank you for taking the time to respond, surprised not to see some of those EXPERTS put their two cents in here though. What you say makes sense, They are only assuming that the New Heaven and New Earth and the Holy City is AFTER the 1,000 years because that chapter follows Chapter 20.

This would be a viable interpretation if ALL Chapters were in chronological order, which we know is not the case. So why do people interpret Rev Chap 20 and Chap to 21 to be in a Chronological order? When in Truth, it is just their belief that it is, but not supported at all by Scriptures.

i am going to write an article concerning every Scripture concerning the Holy City Jerusalem and wanted to know the verses that people in this generation use to support the false doctrine that the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years. i was really hoping for some verses that they interpreted to mean that, but now from what i am gathering, the ONLY support for that teaching is Chapter 21 comes AFTER Chapter 20. That's it? That is the sole reason for believing the New Earth, New Heaven, and the Holy City coming down is AFTER the 1,000 years. i really thought there would be more verses.

Bless you Michael74 for responding to my question, and after reading what you said, that is the only thing that makes sense why they believe what they do. Because Chapter 21 comes AFTER Chapter 20.

What gets me, is i reveal what God told me when the New Heaven and New Earth will be created (During the 7 year Tribulation Period) and that the Holy City Jerusalem is coming down out of Heaven WITH Jesus at the 7th Trumpet sounding, and this generation would rather believe the Holy City Jerusalem comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, because Rev Chapter 21 comes AFTER Rev Chapter 20. This just blows my mind that this generation does not believe God speaks to, or reveals things to His servants any more. very sad indeed.

 

[Michael74]

Bless you Michael74 for responding to my question...

May the Lord bless you too Dave.

 

[for_his_glory]

Isaiah 65; 66:22; 2 Peter 3:11-14 mention the new heaven and new earth as this present heaven and earth has to be dissolved first before the new heaven and new earth can be recreated as it was in the beginning as well as it will be in the end. When the heaven and earth is renewed then will God usher down the New Jerusalem from heaven.

From Rev 19-21 is very chronological in the events that have to come first before the New Jerusalem is ushered down whether you believe it or not.

The sea mentioned in Rev 21:1 is used in apocalyptic literature as a symbol of chaos and symbolizes evil like that of the beast out of the sea in Rev 13:1. The sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15.

All evil has to be taken out in judgement and cast into the lake of fire before all things are made new again as evil can not coexist in the new heaven, new earth and New Jerusalem.

Do you really think that God will make a new heaven and new earth and usher down the New Jerusalem when Christ returns as Satan will still be roaming the earth and the enemies of God will still be living here when Christ returns.

We do not enter the Millennial Kingdom here on earth in our natural bodies, but in new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host of heaven as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the kings (Rulers of every nation) on the earth and their armies that followed after the beast and his false prophet that go out to the battle of Armageddon as this army is sent out to kill Christ when they see Him and the saints with Him return and plants His feet on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:1-4.

The remnant, like the beast and false prophet, will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their demise and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with those ungodly that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and ever and the saints will then begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the kings/rulers from every nation are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints that are camped upon the breadth of the earth. Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9 the saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast onto the lake of fire.

John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57. The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now condemned and cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints on on the earth it will be made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven.

Side note: IMO 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Isaiah 65; 66:22; 2 Peter 3:11-14 mention the new heaven and new earth as this present heaven and earth has to be dissolved first before the new heaven and new earth can be recreated as it was in the beginning as well as it will be in the end. When the heaven and earth is renewed then will God usher down the New Jerusalem from heaven.

From Rev 19-21 is very chronological in the events that have to come first before the New Jerusalem is ushered down whether you believe it or not.

You say that it is very chronological in the events, however Scriptures proves they are not.

You say Rev 20 happens prior to Rev 21. What does Scriptures teach?

In Rev Chapter 20 you have the Great White Throne Judgment where EVERYONE who is not written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of fire.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev Chapter 21 then talks about the New Heaven and New Earth. So then you say they are in chronological order, that the Great White Throne Judgment of Chapter 20 happens before the New Heaven and New Earth in Chapter 21.

Let us look at what the Prophet Isaiah says:

Isa_65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

So Isaiah is about to discuss what is to take place in the time during the New Heavens and a New Earth.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the SINNER being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah talking about a time of the New Heavens and the New Earth just mentioned SINNERS being present during that time. Now if All sinners who were not written in the Book of life are cast into the lake of fire at the Great White Throne Judgment, then AFTER that the New Heavens and the New Earth in chronological order comes AFTER, why is Isaiah saying during the time of the New Heaven and New Earth that SINNERS are present?

Now if the Holy City comes down AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment, then when it comes down there will be NO sinners, no wicked people, no Heathens. They will have all been cast into the lake of fire at the Judgment, then AFTER that the Holy City comes down, if that is True, then why was this verse written in the very Chapter describing the New Heaven New Earth, and Holy City:

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Why is this even written if there are NO wicked person to even enter into the Holy City, if in fact the Holy City comes down AFTER all the wicked are cast into the lake of fire and brimstone.

So i know you believe Rev chapter 20 and 21 are in chronological order, but Scriptures plainly and clearly teaches that when the New Heaven and New Earth are created, that sinners are still present on the Earth, and therefore the New Heaven and New Earth are created BEFORE the Great White Throne Judgment when satan, demons, and EVERYONE who is not written in the Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire.

So Scriptures teach that the New Heavens and New Earth is created prior to the Great White Throne Judgment after the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth. So they are NOT in chronological order.

Isaiah talks of sinners being present during the time of the New Heaven and New Earth. Revelation 21 tells us that the abominable, all liars, and anyone who is NOT written in the Book of life will not be allowed into the Holy City. So they are still here during a time of the New Earth and New Heaven, during the time the Holy City comes down from Heaven.

Rapture / 1,000 years / White Throne Judgment / New Heaven-New Earth- Holy City = NOT Scriptural.

What God told me is this:
Rapture- New Heaven-New Earth-Holy City / 1,000 years / White Throne judgment = Not one verse contrary to this.[/QUOTE]

 

[DiscipleDave]

The sea mentioned in Rev 21:1 is used in apocalyptic literature as a symbol of chaos and symbolizes evil like that of the beast out of the sea in Rev 13:1. The sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

So this verse is specifically talking about the condition of the Earth. John saw a New Atmosphere. He saw a New Earth, and He saw no oceans. Why do you think this verse needs to be interpreted?

What God told me is there are no more oceans. The New Earth will only consist of Lakes and Rivers, supplied by the two Rivers that come out of the Holy City. Zech 14:8,
Eze 47:1-12 Only where the Living Water touches on the whole Earth is what will live and thrive on the Earth, like the Garden of Eden Thrived.

i know you interpret it to mean what you think it means, but should i not believe God who told me what it actually means, and Scriptures supports it.

 

[DiscipleDave]

All evil has to be taken out in judgement and cast into the lake of fire before all things are made new again as evil can not coexist in the new heaven, new earth and New Jerusalem.

What Scriptures teaches that? Scriptures teaches that wicked people will not be able to enter the New Jerusalem, so they must still be here to NOT enter it. Isaiah spoke of sinners being present during the age of the New Heavens and New Earth. So what Scriptures teaches what you are saying above?

Do you really think that God will make a new heaven and new earth and usher down the New Jerusalem when Christ returns as Satan will still be roaming the earth and the enemies of God will still be living here when Christ returns.

It is absolutely irrelevant what i think, i can only repeat what God has told me, and that has nothing to do with what i think.

Enemies of God will be living Here when Christ Returns, do you not believe Scriptures? The Prophet Zechariah is quite clear that Jesus forces the Heathens to come up and worship Him from year to year. Do you believe this or no?

We do not enter the Millennial Kingdom here on earth in our natural bodies, but in new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Tell me, Does Jesus and the Saints reside in buildings made by humans the whole thousand years reigning on the Earth? Why is it so hard for you to believe what God told me, that when He Returns to Rapture up the Church He is bringing with Him the Holy City Jerusalem, and that is where the Father, Jesus, and us Saints will live in during the 1,000 years of Jesus and us Saints reigning over the Whole Earth. Why is that so hard for you to believe. That we live in the Holy City for that thousand years?

Side note: IMO 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

From Adam and Eve till present time is roughly 6,000 years. 6 Days with the Lord. The 1,000 years is the 7th Day. The Lord's Sabbath Day, that is the reason satan is bound for those thousand years.

 

[for_his_glory]

Isaiah 65:20 ....................... for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah is speaking about the former here on this present earth that in the New Earth and New Jerusalem there is no more death or sin. Sin can not exist in the New Jerusalem per what is written in Rev 21:27.

Scripture says sea, not ocean as there is a difference between the two. Seas are smaller than oceans and are usually located where the land and ocean meet.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,

The beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This is a Luciferian NWO system consisting of polictical, military, economic and religious power throughout the world.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host of heaven as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the kings (Rulers of every nation) on the earth and their armies that followed after the beast and his false prophet that go out to the battle of Armageddon as this army is sent out to kill Christ when they see Him and the saints with Him return and plants His feet on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:1-4.

The remnant, like the beast and false prophet, will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their demise and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with those ungodly that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and ever and the saints will then begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the kings/rulers from every nation are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints that are camped upon the breadth of the earth. Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9 the saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast onto the lake of fire.

John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57. The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now condemned and cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints on on the earth it will be made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven.

Side note: IMO 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

 

[dianegcook]

New heaven and new earth can also mean, same earth, but a new earth and heaven age.
I believe there are 3 heaven and earth ages.
1st age, when dinosaurs roamed, and Satan rebelled, use to be a cherub, ( Ezek.28:14)and took 1/3 of God;s children. (Rev.12:4)

2nd, we are in now.

3rd all shall be changed in Spiritual bodies, good, bad and ugly.
2Pet.2:5-13
The day of the Lord, the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements (evil rudiments) shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS therein shall be burnt up.

God is a consuming fire. Like 3 in the fiery furnace.

I believe flesh will be no longer during the 1000 year reign.
We will have some immortal souls and some mortal souls, ( liable to die)
Isa.11:6-16
The wolf shall dwell with the Lamb, the leopard lie down with the kid...and lion shall eat straw like the ox.

No carnivores.

 

[dianegcook]

New heaven and new earth can also mean, same earth, but a new earth and heaven age.
I believe there are 3 heaven and earth ages.
1st age, when dinosaurs roamed, and Satan rebelled, use to be a cherub, ( Ezek.28:14)and took 1/3 of God;s children. (Rev.12:4)

2nd, we are in now.

3rd all shall be changed in Spiritual bodies, good, bad and ugly.
2Pet.2:5-13
The day of the Lord, the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements (evil rudiments) shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS therein shall be burnt up.

God is a consuming fire. Like 3 in the fiery furnace.

I believe flesh will be no longer during the 1000 year reign.
We will have some immortal souls and some mortal souls, ( liable to die)
Isa.11:6-16
The wolf shall dwell with the Lamb, the leopard lie down with the kid...and lion shall eat straw like the ox.

No carnivores.

Sorry
I had edited my post, but time ran out! I had some good stuff, lol.
I remember quoting Rev.19:2-18
The Great harlot was judged, then the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife made herself ready.
The fowls that fly in the midst of heaven gathered themselves unto the supper of the Great God, to eat the FLESH OF ALL MEN.
Thus, all in Spiritual bodies.

Again, I stated you MIGHT have a valid point,

Because, after the 1000 year reign, they compassed the camp of the saints, the beloved city.Rev.20:9
Which in Ezek. States that only the Elect, saints are allowed in the temple.

But, I just can't shake off, Rev.21:4 stating there shall be no more death, which after the 1000 year reign, death and hell was cast into the lake of fire.

Thanks, will look into it further.

 

[ezrider]

2Pet.2:5-13
The day of the Lord, the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements (evil rudiments) shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS therein shall be burnt up.


God is a consuming fire.

God is a consuming fire. A Lake of Fire!

 

[Randy]

Thank you for taking the time to respond, surprised not to see some of those EXPERTS put their two cents in here though. What you say makes sense, They are only assuming that the New Heaven and New Earth and the Holy City is AFTER the 1,000 years because that chapter follows Chapter 20.

This would be a viable interpretation if ALL Chapters were in chronological order, which we know is not the case. So why do people interpret Rev Chap 20 and Chap to 21 to be in a Chronological order? When in Truth, it is just their belief that it is, but not supported at all by Scriptures.

i am going to write an article concerning every Scripture concerning the Holy City Jerusalem and wanted to know the verses that people in this generation use to support the false doctrine that the Holy City comes down AFTER the 1,000 years. i was really hoping for some verses that they interpreted to mean that, but now from what i am gathering, the ONLY support for that teaching is Chapter 21 comes AFTER Chapter 20. That's it? That is the sole reason for believing the New Earth, New Heaven, and the Holy City coming down is AFTER the 1,000 years. i really thought there would be more verses.

Bless you Michael74 for responding to my question, and after reading what you said, that is the only thing that makes sense why they believe what they do. Because Chapter 21 comes AFTER Chapter 20.

What gets me, is i reveal what God told me when the New Heaven and New Earth will be created (During the 7 year Tribulation Period) and that the Holy City Jerusalem is coming down out of Heaven WITH Jesus at the 7th Trumpet sounding, and this generation would rather believe the Holy City Jerusalem comes down AFTER the 1,000 years, because Rev Chapter 21 comes AFTER Rev Chapter 20. This just blows my mind that this generation does not believe God speaks to, or reveals things to His servants any more. very sad indeed.

Jesus has made Himself known to me - that is He answers prayer. God dwells in the hearts of those He calls His children. Those born of God. But in regard to further revelation I think what was given is enough and complete.
With the New Jerusalem God Himself, that is the Father, will dwell with man and there is no more death stated at that point in time. So do you believe when Jesus returns that at that point time there is no more death? I place the 2nd resurrection, (the unrighteous as in those who suffer), and the great white throne judgment at the end of those 1000 years. Then no more death. Which would reason the New Jerusalem after the 1000 years.

 

[dianegcook]

Sorry
I had edited my post, but time ran out! I had some good stuff, lol.
I remember quoting Rev.19:2-18
The Great harlot was judged, then the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife made herself ready.
The fowls that fly in the midst of heaven gathered themselves unto the supper of the Great God, to eat the FLESH OF ALL MEN.
Thus, all in Spiritual bodies.

Again, I stated you MIGHT have a valid point,

Because, after the 1000 year reign, they compassed the camp of the saints, the beloved city.Rev.20:9
Which in Ezek. States that only the Elect, saints are allowed in the temple.

But, I just can't shake off, Rev.21:4 stating there shall be no more death, which after the 1000 year reign, death and hell was cast into the lake of fire.

Thanks, will look into it further.

I looked into it further, lol.

The wife and the bride, here ,must not be confused with the wife of 19:7
What I get out of it:
The "bride" and the "wife" of Rev.21:9 must not be confused with the "wife" of Rev.19:7. The latter is Israel called out from among the nations for "blessing in the land", the earthly consort of the " Great King", Psa.45:, Jer.3:14.
This "wife" (Rev.19:7) is connected with the Millennial Jerusalem which, with the rest of the earth "that now" is, will pass away and give place to the new earth with the new Jerusalem, succeeding and replacing the former.
The "bride", the Lamb's "wife" of Rev.21:9, is still of Israel, but the Israel of the "heavenly calling", Heb.3:1, all those connected with the "heavenly country" and the city with the foundations, Heb.11:13-16, the Jerusalem above, of Gal.4:26, thus,the significance of the term" bride" in Rev.21:9

The Israel of Rev.19:7 is not spoken of as bride, because she has become wife. (Married to you, am become your husband, consummated, of Jer.3:14.
In Rev.21:9, the term "bride" indicates clearly that the betrothed has taken place and that the marriage will be consummated when the bride shall come down out of heaven.

According to Mosaic law, a betrothed maid was legally a wife, Matt.1:18,20.

 

[dianegcook]

God is a consuming fire. A Lake of Fire!

Lol, He can be what ever He wants to be.
Heb.12:29, For our God is a consuming fire.

Psa.37:20
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs, they shall consume, into smoke shall they consume away.
Like grilling out, the smoke rises 4ever.

Rev.14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up 4ever....
Rev.19:3
And her smoke rose up 4ever....

 

[DiscipleDave]

Because, after the 1000 year reign, they compassed the camp of the saints, the beloved city.Rev.20:9
Which in Ezek. States that only the Elect, saints are allowed in the temple.

But, I just can't shake off, Rev.21:4 stating there shall be no more death, which after the 1000 year reign, death and hell was cast into the lake of fire.

Thanks, will look into it further.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (oceans are not mentioned anywhere in all of Scriptures, any body of water were called seas)
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (The Holy City Jerusalem)
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, (The Holy City is with MEN, HUMANS, and also the 144,000, on the planet. Notice it did not say the Tabernacle of God is with the Saints, but plainly and clearly teaches that the Holy City is with MEN who are still present on the Earth when it comes down from Heaven, believe Scriptures not what humans try to teach you) and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (referring to the 144,000 who are the redeemed humans, These verses are NOT referring to the Heathens that will still be present on the Earth)

How long will i be with all of you, before i am banned?

 

[DiscipleDave]

Jesus has made Himself known to me - that is He answers prayer.

And if you ask for Him to talk to you, believing He will do so, is it possible for that one to be answered as well?

God dwells in the hearts of those He calls His children. Those born of God.

Those who are Truly Born of God will not knowingly and willingly obey His enemy and commit sins. http://discipledave.com/Bornofgod.html

But in regard to further revelation I think what was given is enough and complete.

And yet it is written to seal it up until the last days, and His Spirit shall be poured out on the sons and daughters in the last days and they shall prophesy. You say you THINK what was given is enough and complete, What Scriptures led you to believe what you think?

When did the Holy Ghost stop giving out the gift of Prophecy to people? Or are you one of those who believe He does, but that only means they can interpret prophecy but can't prophecy about anything at all. Those who have the Gift of knowledge can interpret prophecies. Those who have the Gift of teaching can likewise interpret prophecies. Those who have the Gift of prophecy, well guess what, they prophesize.
Is it not written God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Why is this generation believes God spoke to people yesterday, but someone He no longer does? Where is that written?

With the New Jerusalem God Himself, that is the Father, will dwell with man and there is no more death stated at that point in time.

You believe that interpretation because you are assuming the reference to no more death is referring to ALL humans, that is an assumption. The reference is concerning the 144,000 humans that are redeemed by God out of the Tribulation Period.

So do you believe when Jesus returns that at that point time there is no more death?

What i believe is irrelevant. But i can tell you what i know. There is no more physical death for the Saints, there is no more spiritual death for the 144,000 humans, and there is a time that heathens will seek death and will not be able to find it.

I place the 2nd resurrection, (the unrighteous as in those who suffer), and the great white throne judgment at the end of those 1000 years. Then no more death. Which would reason the New Jerusalem after the 1000 years.

The Holy City (the tabernacle of God) comes down out of Heaven to dwell with MEN at the 7th Trumpet sounding. Zech 14 describes this time as well, where Jesus makes all the inhabitants (Heathens) to come and worship Him from year to year, These Heathens have not been judged by the White Throne yet.

click HERE to see a chart of the end time events, Which MOST of it is what God told me. And if you want to try the spirit that told me, then please use Scriptures. This generation likes to try the spirit based on their own interpretations and NOT what Scriptures actually says. They discard what God told me, because it does not line up with their OWN beliefs, they do NOT try to use Scriptures to discard it, but discard it out right because they don't agree with it.

This generation FAILS miserable to understand these three verses:

• Genesis 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.
• Genesis 41:16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.
• II Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Interpretations belong to GOD, NOT to men. God will reveal to whom God will reveal. But woe to that person who goes about to interpret the Word of God as if they had the authority to do so, why do you think there is so much confusion, so many false doctrines? Because men took it upon themselves to interpret the Word of God, saying "Well that means _________" or "That is allegory for _____________" or "We need to take that to the Hebrew/Greek to find out what that verse REALLY means" Woe to the learned who think they know something, when they know nothing at all.

Side Note: i use to be such. i studied Hebrew/Greek taking all the verses one by one, took seminary classes, became an ordained minister, only to be revealed to me it was all dung. What God told me in a mere five minute conversation, was more than many years of studying the Word via my own intellect. God reveals His Word to whom He chooses to reveal it to. Woe to those who try to find some other way to interpret His Word. Interpretations belong to God, NOT to men.

 

[for_his_glory]

Why is it that you have asked the question for verses to support Holy City After 1000 years, but reject all the ones all of us have given you that are explicit that it is after the 1000 years, after the great white throne judgement, after Satan and all who have rejected Christ are judged and cast into the lake of fire, then the heaven and earth are purified again like it was in the beginning, which will be in the end without any sin or death.

God is not going to tell you anything different then what He has already said and given the prophets who spoke and have written down the "Thus saith the Lord" as they spoke the very words God gave them to speak just as even Christ only gave that of what God told Him to speak, John 12:49, 50.

Those prophecies were for yesterday, today and forever. Prophecies as being the gift of the Holy Spirit within the church being the body of Christ are also given today for the purpose of exhortation, correction, disclosure of hidden sins, predictions of future events, comfort, inspiration or other revelations given to equip and edify the body of Christ, 1 Corinthians 14:3, 4.

I truly believe you are hearing the spirit of error and God has sent you strong delusion to believe this spirit. In the OT when the Prophets were given prophecy from God they spoke the exact words God gave them to speak to others as there was no need of any interpretations. Now I might have missed it, but I have never heard you speak that of what you say God has given you to tell others, except that of your own interpretations. All we hear from you is that God told you, but you do not speak the actual words of "Thus saith the Lord". Why is that?

 

[Randy]

And if you ask for Him to talk to you, believing He will do so, is it possible for that one to be answered as well?



Those who are Truly Born of God will not knowingly and willingly obey His enemy and commit sins. http://discipledave.com/Bornofgod.html



And yet it is written to seal it up until the last days, and His Spirit shall be poured out on the sons and daughters in the last days and they shall prophesy. You say you THINK what was given is enough and complete, What Scriptures led you to believe what you think?

When did the Holy Ghost stop giving out the gift of Prophecy to people? Or are you one of those who believe He does, but that only means they can interpret prophecy but can't prophecy about anything at all. Those who have the Gift of knowledge can interpret prophecies. Those who have the Gift of teaching can likewise interpret prophecies. Those who have the Gift of prophecy, well guess what, they prophesize.
Is it not written God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Why is this generation believes God spoke to people yesterday, but someone He no longer does? Where is that written?



You believe that interpretation because you are assuming the reference to no more death is referring to ALL humans, that is an assumption. The reference is concerning the 144,000 humans that are redeemed by God out of the Tribulation Period.



What i believe is irrelevant. But i can tell you what i know. There is no more physical death for the Saints, there is no more spiritual death for the 144,000 humans, and there is a time that heathens will seek death and will not be able to find it.



The Holy City (the tabernacle of God) comes down out of Heaven to dwell with MEN at the 7th Trumpet sounding. Zech 14 describes this time as well, where Jesus makes all the inhabitants (Heathens) to come and worship Him from year to year, These Heathens have not been judged by the White Throne yet.

click HERE to see a chart of the end time events, Which MOST of it is what God told me. And if you want to try the spirit that told me, then please use Scriptures. This generation likes to try the spirit based on their own interpretations and NOT what Scriptures actually says. They discard what God told me, because it does not line up with their OWN beliefs, they do NOT try to use Scriptures to discard it, but discard it out right because they don't agree with it.

This generation FAILS miserable to understand these three verses:

• Genesis 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.
• Genesis 41:16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.
• II Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Interpretations belong to GOD, NOT to men. God will reveal to whom God will reveal. But woe to that person who goes about to interpret the Word of God as if they had the authority to do so, why do you think there is so much confusion, so many false doctrines? Because men took it upon themselves to interpret the Word of God, saying "Well that means _________" or "That is allegory for _____________" or "We need to take that to the Hebrew/Greek to find out what that verse REALLY means" Woe to the learned who think they know something, when they know nothing at all.

Side Note: i use to be such. i studied Hebrew/Greek taking all the verses one by one, took seminary classes, became an ordained minister, only to be revealed to me it was all dung. What God told me in a mere five minute conversation, was more than many years of studying the Word via my own intellect. God reveals His Word to whom He chooses to reveal it to. Woe to those who try to find some other way to interpret His Word. Interpretations belong to God, NOT to men.

I read no more death.. Death means man has been appointed once to die then face judgment. Those not of Christ during those 1000 years can die. That's not no more death. I did not read no more death was in the context of just Christians. If that was so God would have made that clear. And I will ask the lord what I want to ask the Lord. What is that to you? Apparently you have left no room for a discussion as you alone have the true understanding from God. I have no doubt that the New Jerusalem is after the 1000 years. No doubt. It wasn't hard to see. And I read the words in English. And its not hard for all to see even though we are unable to convince such a "gifted" person as you claim to be.

 

[dianegcook]

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (oceans are not mentioned anywhere in all of Scriptures, any body of water were called seas)
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (The Holy City Jerusalem)
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, (The Holy City is with MEN, HUMANS, and also the 144,000, on the planet. Notice it did not say the Tabernacle of God is with the Saints, but plainly and clearly teaches that the Holy City is with MEN who are still present on the Earth when it comes down from Heaven, believe Scriptures not what humans try to teach you) and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (referring to the 144,000 who are the redeemed humans, These verses are NOT referring to the Heathens that will still be present on the Earth)

How long will i be with all of you, before i am banned?

How long will i be with all of you, before i am banned?

I don't know, don't have the authority, lol.