Luke 22

[reba]

Reba, please what line of thinking are you referring to? What did I say that is so upsetting to you? I am certainly open to correction!!

That was not directed at any one, except mostly myself.... This is a great discussion I hope it stays that way. How ever one phrases the topic of free will, predestination, foreknowledge any and all of those words send threads into a tail spin... It is very difficult to skirt some subjects they are so interwoven...

 

[Deborah13]

That was not directed at any one, except mostly myself.... This is a great discussion I hope it stays that way. How ever one phrases the topic of free will, predestination, foreknowledge any and all of those words send threads into a tail spin... It is very difficult to skirt some subjects they are so interwoven...

I promise I will not post on a discussion of any of these. That is not the intention of this thread. Thank you for clarifying!

 

[reba]

Every Tuesday morning at 6:00am I attend a weekly men’s breakfast at a local café in town. This morning we were looking at Luke 22 and a few verses stuck out for me and I would like to explore these in more detail to gain better understanding. I have basically three questions about this scripture and I don’t know if they are related or not. I’ve included the scripture reference below.

1. Did Judas have a choice whether or not to sell out to the chief priests?
2. Based on verse 53, why was Judas’ role necessary?
3. What was the temptation Jesus was referring to in verses 40 and 46?

Luke 22:1-6, 19-23, 39-53
1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.
3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.
5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money.
6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude.


19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.â€
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!â€
23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.


39 And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.
40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, “Pray that ye enter not into temptation.â€
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, “Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.â€
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,
46 And said unto them, “Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.â€


47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.
48 But Jesus said unto him, “Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?â€
49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, “Lord, shall we smite with the sword?â€
50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
51 And Jesus answered and said, “Suffer ye thus far.†And he touched his ear, and healed him.
52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, “Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?
53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the poer of darkness.â€

 

[wonby1]

Yes, that would lead into the area I have the most difficult time understanding.... predestination. For that topic I just rest on the fact that God knows what's best and I don't have to be concerned with the answer. I am just asked to believe and trust in Him and that is what I will do.

I think I've come to terms with it in my own mind. Just because God knows what the future will be and what our decisions will be does not mean we never had free will to begin with.

In the end, he knows exactly what we will all do down to every minute detail.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

In Luke 22:40-46, the temptation was to fall away in the time of trial that was about to happen.
Peter draws a sword, the disciples just stay behind while Peter follows and disowns Jesus 3 times.
Only Jesus was prayed up to face the challenge.
What an example.
We see how important it is to pray first before we go out to face the world.
We don't know where the next challenge is coming from.
Put on the full armor of God.
It's no joke!

 

[Danus]

Danus, I think Judas did have a choice.
In Matthew 3:2, Jesus said, "repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is near".
Everyone in hearing distance was given a choice.

Well, that's perfectly acceptable, but it really depends a lot on how one views of "choices" and the value of anyone's ability to make a choice to begin with. We can say that Judas could have done a lot of things, but that's not going to change what he did do, and he did what he did based on his ability to make any decision about it.

For example; it's not reasonable. fare, or even logical to say Judas loved Christ and decided to make the choice he made. If we said that then we would have a problem with Freewill, and in order for anyone's will to be free, they must choose what they want, what they desire, of their own will. So in that larger sense it's pretty difficult to say Judas had a choice. Ultimately this comes down to the value of choice, and mans ability to make any choice. Whether he makes the right or wrong choice, to what does it matter if the power is in his choice? For that matter, what does the power of God matter if the power of any man's choice is the emphasis of salvation?

Any any case, food for thought. After all, the best theology needs no advocate; it will prove itself.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Well, that's perfectly acceptable, but it really depends a lot on how one views of "choices" and the value of anyone's ability to make a choice to begin with. We can say that Judas could have done a lot of things, but that's not going to change what he did do, and he did what he did based on his ability to make any decision about it.

For example; it's not reasonable. fare, or even logical to say Judas loved Christ and decided to make the choice he made. If we said that then we would have a problem with Freewill, and in order for anyone's will to be free, they must choose what they want, what they desire, of their own will. So in that larger sense it's pretty difficult to say Judas had a choice. Ultimately this comes down to the value of choice, and mans ability to make any choice. Whether he makes the right or wrong choice, to what does it matter if the power is in his choice? For that matter, what does the power of God matter if the power of any man's choice is the emphasis of salvation?

Any any case, food for thought. After all, the best theology needs no advocate; it will prove itself.

I see it a little bit different.

It's the power of God that made us with free will.

It's the power of God that convicts us to make a choice.

It's the power of God that gave us a way out of our sin.

It's the power of God that we live and breathe, etc.., etc... it goes on and on.

 

[Deborah13]

In Luke 22:40-46, the temptation was to fall away in the time of trial that was about to happen.
Peter draws a sword, the disciples just stay behind while Peter follows and disowns Jesus 3 times.
Only Jesus was prayed up to face the challenge.
What an example.
We see how important it is to pray first before we go out to face the world.
We don't know where the next challenge is coming from.
Put on the full armor of God.
It's no joke!

Oh, good point, "only Jesus was prayed up"

 

[Danus]

I see it a little bit different.

It's the power of God that made us with free will.

It's the power of God that convicts us to make a choice.

It's the power of God that gave us a way out of our sin.

It's the power of God that we live and breathe, etc.., etc... it goes on and on.

I like it. It's very true.

However, and at the risk of debate, which I am not doing. Please allow be the grace of rewording my point for clarity. It goes like this; in order that my will is free, I must choose what I want. If I choose what I want freely, I can not choose what I don't want and say I made any choice freely.

It is in this sense that I say Judas did not have a choice. I know it's one of those troubling things. My wife has threatened to stone me to death if I ever bring up free will again. :gah All I can tell her is; "well if you do that it will be of your own will, not God's."

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm sorry, Danus. It's a little confusing to understand you.

 

[Danus]

That's quite OK. Just keep trying if your willing. No apologies necessary.

 

[wonby1]

I like it. It's very true.

However, and at the risk of debate, which I am not doing. Please allow be the grace of rewording my point for clarity. It goes like this; in order that my will is free, I must choose what I want. If I choose what I want freely, I can not choose what I don't want and say I made any choice freely.

It is in this sense that I say Judas did not have a choice. I know it's one of those troubling things. My wife has threatened to stone me to death if I ever bring up free will again. :gah All I can tell her is; "well if you do that it will be of your own will, not God's."

Again, just because God knows how things will play out in no way indicates that he is forcing the issue.

Free will is a mystery in this regard. Although you may not be able to work it out in your mind, if God is all powerful he is able to make it work.

Even we have some insight as to how people will behave, depending upon how well we know them. That certainly does not mean we control what they do. The difference being God created us, but that does not mean God is not able to secure free will anyway even though he knew the outcome of creation.

God is said to be a God of love. However, to have a mutally loving relationship the other party must be free to love or reject you. In this respect, it is key to theological understanding of who and what God is, at least, for me that is. Otherwise it is simply God loving or hating himself back.

 

[Danus]

Again, just because God knows how things will play out in no way indicates that he is forcing the issue.

Free will is a mystery in this regard. Although you may not be able to work it out in your mind, if God is all powerful he is able to make it work.

Even we have some insight as to how people will behave, depending upon how well we know them. That certainly does not mean we control what they do. The difference being God created us, but that does not mean God is not able to secure free will anyway even though he knew the outcome of creation.

God is said to be a God of love. However, to have a mutally loving relationship the other party must be free to love or reject you. In this respect, it is key to theological understanding of who and what God is, at least, for me that is. Otherwise it is simply God loving or hating himself back.

wonby1, "Open theism" would suggest that God knows the future, but that that future is influenced by the "choices" that man makes freely. I'm not sure where you stand on that, but I get the sense that you lean more to it than not. in addressing my quote, but if your thinking that I am expressing that God forces man into a situation based on his foreknowledge of man, then you've misinterpreted, or read into, my point about freewill. I htink that might be a fair assumption on your part based on what I've said so far, so allow me to expand it.

Within the questions WIP has asked there are theological subjects that we can't dance around if we are having an honest discussion. One of the biggest questions centers around freewill, and it's practically impossible to discuss free will without dipping our toes also into predestination. However, it is possible though, that we can answer his #2 question simply by addressing the nature of mans freewill.

In suggesting free will is a mystery, I'd say it's more like paradox with little value, because freewill is not hard to define. Freewill is the freedom to choose. I can do this, or I can do that, and I can do either-or, freely of my own accord, which also makes me culpable for any choice I make . Where it becomes a paradox, is when we give the freedom of choice man has power and value in determining the future, or what God will do based on such choices. At the same time we diminish man's culpability if we suggest that God totally guides man's choices. So where you say even though God knows the future does not mean he's forcing man to do anything, well I agree. I think you might be thinking that because I said Judas did not have a choice that I am suggesting God forced him in some way to sell out Christ, as WIP put it, but I'm not. The best way I can fix this, is to use analogy, and then we can look at the logic. So, for the rest of this post response I'm going to use Mr Matthew J. Slick's words from an article he wrote. I'm paraphrasing it somewhat, but I think you'll find continuity in your view somewhat, as well as mine.

So, knowing what will happen does not mean that we are preventing or causing that thing to happen. The sun will rise tomorrow. I am not causing it to rise nor am I preventing it from rising by knowing that it will happen. Likewise, if I put a bowl of ice-cream and a bowl of cauliflower in front of my child, I know for a fact which one is chosen - the ice cream. My knowing it ahead of time does not restrict my child from making a free choice when the time comes. My child is free to make a choice and knowing the choice has no effect upon her when she makes it.

Logically, God knowing what we are going to do does not mean that we can't do something else. It means that God simply knows what we have chosen to do ahead of time. Our freedom is not restricted by God's foreknowledge; our freedom is simply realized ahead of time by God. In this, our natural ability to make another choice has not been removed any more than my choice of what to write inside the parenthesis (hello) was removed by God who knew I would put the word "hello" in the parentheses before the universe was made. Before typing the word "hello," I pondered which word to write. My pondering was my doing and the choice was mine. How then was I somehow restricted in freedom when choosing what to write if God knew what I was going to do? No matter what choice we freely make, it can be known by God, and His knowing it doesn't mean we aren't making a free choice.

Part of the issue here is the nature of time. If the future exists for God even as the present does, then God is consistently in all places at all times and is not restricted by time. This would mean that time was not a part of His nature to which God is subject, and that God is not a linear entity; that is, it would mean that God is not restricted to operating in our time realm and is not restricted to the present only. If God is not restricted to existence in the present, our present, then the future is known by God because God indwells the future as well as the present (and the past). This would mean that our future choices, as free as they are, are simply known by God. Again, our ability to choose is not altered or lessened by God existing in the future and knowing what we freely choose. It just means that God can see what we will freely choose -- because that is what we freely choose -- and knows what it is.

Part of the problem in Open Theism is that by restricting God to the present only, His existence is defined in such a way as to imply that time is part of His nature and that He is restricted to it. The question is whether or not this is logical as well as biblical. Scripturally, God inhabits eternity. Psalm 90:2 says, "2 Before the mountains were born, or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.."................. But this verse, an others, do not declare that God lives inside or outside of time. Rather, the Bible tells us that God is eternal. We can, however, note that the Bible teaches that God has no beginning or end. This is not definitive, but we may be able to conclude that since time is that non-spatial, continuous succession of events from the past, through the present, and into the future, and that since the word "beginning" denotes a relationship to and in time, and since God has no beginning, that time is not applicable to God's nature. In other words, God has no beginning and since "beginning" deals with an event in time, God is outside of time.

Nevertheless, the scriptures are not definitive on this issue and we can only conclude what they do say - namely, that God is eternal, without beginning, without end, and that He can accurately and precisely predict what will happen.

"As for you, O king, while on your bed your thoughts turned to what would take place in the future; and He who reveals mysteries has made known to you what will take place," (Dan. 2:29).

So, in relation to our free will and God's predictive ability, there is no biblical reason to assert that God's foreknowledge negates our freedom. There is no logical reason to claim that if God knows what choices we are going to make that it means we are not free. It still means that the free choices we will make are free -- they are just known ahead of time by God. If we choose something different, then that choice will have been eternally known by God. Furthermore, this knowledge by God does not alter our nature in that it does not change what we are -- free to make choices. God's knowledge is necessarily complete and exhaustive because that is His nature, to know all things. In fact, since He has eternally known what all our free choices will be, He has ordained history to come to the conclusion that He wishes including and incorporating our choices into His divine plan: “For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28). Why? Because God always knows all things: "...God is greater than our heart, and knows all things," (1 John 3:20).

So the question we should really be asking ourselves is, what is the value of my choices? Obviously we gain a personal value to our choices, but at the same time we are extremely limited in that by our ability to make any good choice, and if God is sovereign over what we think are our "good" choices, then He is equally sovereign over our "bad" choices.

So did Judas have a choice? That might be better worded "does Judas choice matter?" NO it does not. It alone did not do anything and it alone did not cause anything.

 

[eddif]

Every Tuesday morning at 6:00am I attend a weekly men’s breakfast at a local café in town. This morning we were looking at Luke 22 and a few verses stuck out for me and I would like to explore these in more detail to gain better understanding. I have basically three questions about this scripture and I don’t know if they are related or not. I’ve included the scripture reference below.

1. Did Judas have a choice whether or not to sell out to the chief priests?
2. Based on verse 53, why was Judas’ role necessary?
3. What was the temptation Jesus was referring to in verses 40 and 46?

Luke 22:1-6, 19-23, 39-53
1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.
3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.
5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money.
6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude.


19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.â€
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!â€
23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.


39 And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.
40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, “Pray that ye enter not into temptation.â€
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, “Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.â€
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,
46 And said unto them, “Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.â€


47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.
48 But Jesus said unto him, “Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?â€
49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, “Lord, shall we smite with the sword?â€
50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
51 And Jesus answered and said, “Suffer ye thus far.†And he touched his ear, and healed him.
52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, “Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?
53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.â€

That was not directed at any one, except mostly myself.... This is a great discussion I hope it stays that way. How ever one phrases the topic of free will, predestination, foreknowledge any and all of those words send threads into a tail spin... It is very difficult to skirt some subjects they are so interwoven...

Interwoven? I bumped up against this thread several times and tried my best to flee. This is one of the most complicated around.

How about some more complication?
1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

Wait till the Jewish brothers arrive.

Mark 8:15
15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

We often look at passover as being physical, but really this thread is headed toward understanding what happens in a person to bring about bad behavior (sin to death ?); and especially when and how is our spiritual life in jeopardy?

Leaven breaks down grain to the point that it rises up and looks better in one sense. So when our self esteem rises up to inflate our viewpoint of self (thinking of ourselves more highly than we should); what happens to our self control? I need more self control so this thread may be the chance to learn from those more wise than me.

The first post is concerning Breakfast (attention getter--yeast bread ?)
The first question contains the chief priests (leaven of pharisees ?)
Is Judas a type of leaven taking over?
Rise and pray rather than rise from leaven?

I feel set up in all this LOL. We sure want the death angel to pass over and not hit our household (natural family and church family).

eddif

 

[JCitoL]

Every Tuesday morning at 6:00am I attend a weekly men’s breakfast at a local café in town. This morning we were looking at Luke 22 and a few verses stuck out for me and I would like to explore these in more detail to gain better understanding. I have basically three questions about this scripture and I don’t know if they are related or not. I’ve included the scripture reference below.

1. Did Judas have a choice whether or not to sell out to the chief priests?
2. Based on verse 53, why was Judas’ role necessary?
3. What was the temptation Jesus was referring to in verses 40 and 46?

1. judas was a kleptomaniac, that is why Jesus let him to carry the cash with a view to incapacitate/inhibit his kleptomania lest he to do some nuisance

John 12:3-6 "Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein."

here is written how he negotiated with the pharisees for more money although he held the cash:

John 13:2-30 "And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him..... Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night."

thereof it is seen that judas was crazy after he went to strike a bargain for more/further money for as much as he had a lot of money in the bag, but it is not shown that he spent anything of them

2. actually judas was a victim (of (the) spiritual/religious iniquity) like Jesus Himself, but with this difference that he played something like a negative role, because he was righteous, but also like destined to played the role of the black sheep which the good shepherd brought back

Matthew 18:10-14 "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.",

and here is how Jesus waited the lost sheep "judas" to brought it back:

Luke 22:47-48 "And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him. But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?",

this act of Jesus made judas to repent after:

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.",

Acts 1:16-18 "Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field(i.e. thereafter this man's soul has been saved (albeit posthumously)) with the reward of iniquity(i.e. but after he did a mistake);"

3. in that moment around the supper, satan had a power over judas, Jesus and the rest of His disciples - it made judas to sell out Jesus, handed over judas via the body of Jesus, and made the rest of His disciples to abjure Him and to run away

Luke 22:31-34 "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me."

Blessings

 

[reba]

This thread has been move to A & T because we can not seem to discuss with out going over the top to debate....Try and remember the Bible Study forum is not about our egos, not about I am right you are wrong.. It is about Him and His Word. So lets carry on our debates here. Moderator

 

[Deborah13]

Matthew 27:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

repented himself = G3338 - metamelomai - used 6 times only in the KJV (note I only looked at repent not ..ed, or ..ance) - all six times it is either "not" repent or as in 2 Corinth 7:8 where Paul uses it twice describing how he changed his mind about writing a letter. It is not used in the moral sense of repentance onto salvation or righteousness. Personal regret as in sorry you did something because of how it effects you, not an act of contrition.
1) it is a care to one afterwards

a) it repents one, to repent one's self

I see his statement of betraying "innocent blood" as another hint that Judas did not have a revelation of the Messiah in his heart. He does not say he betrayed his Lord, his Master, or even his Rabbi, it's all very nondescript, it could have been any innocent blood of any person. Was he trying to receive some kind of absolution from them rather than turning to the Lord?
Why did he hang himself? Maybe..
1. the demons never came out of him and drove him to suicide (satan wouldn't want a witness to come forward and accuse the priests in public as to their deal
2. saw his life was over as he knew it and had enjoyed it
I don't know and I'm sure that some here have better ideas than I but I am convinced he didn't repent as in...

G3340 - metanoeo - To change one's mind for the better and is used in salvation, sancification, etc. verses. G3539 - noeo - is a root word to the above which means to perceive or to understand

 

[Danus]

Matthew 27:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

repented himself = G3338 - metamelomai - used 6 times only in the KJV (note I only looked at repent not ..ed, or ..ance) - all six times it is either "not" repent or as in 2 Corinth 7:8 where Paul uses it twice describing how he changed his mind about writing a letter. It is not used in the moral sense of repentance onto salvation or righteousness. Personal regret as in sorry you did something because of how it effects you, not an act of contrition.
1) it is a care to one afterwards

a) it repents one, to repent one's self

I see his statement of betraying "innocent blood" as another hint that Judas did not have a revelation of the Messiah in his heart. He does not say he betrayed his Lord, his Master, or even his Rabbi, it's all very nondescript, it could have been any innocent blood of any person. Was he trying to receive some kind of absolution from them rather than turning to the Lord?
Why did he hang himself? Maybe..
1. the demons never came out of him and drove him to suicide (satan wouldn't want a witness to come forward and accuse the priests in public as to their deal
2. saw his life was over as he knew it and had enjoyed it
I don't know and I'm sure that some here have better ideas than I but I am convinced he didn't repent as in...

G3340 - metanoeo - To change one's mind for the better and is used in salvation, sancification, etc. verses. G3539 - noeo - is a root word to the above which means to perceive or to understand

Good point. I like to think Judas did repent to salvation, but good point

 

[Deborah13]

Good point. I like to think Judas did repent to salvation, but good point

I'd like to think he did too. In fact I used to. So we really don't know and seeing God is who He is.....

 

[WIP]

The question that comes to my mind then is if he in fact repented, then why hang himself? If he truly repented, I wouldn't think he would feel so lost, would he?