[__ Science __ ] Male Lawmaker Claims He Is “Every Bit as Biologically Female” As a Woman

[Uncle J]

I think the assumption here is at the center of the disagreement, i.e. that refusing to use the pronouns a person wants for him/herself, is "doing to them" some offensive thing.

It is to them, and that's what matters. I may not find it offensive to refer to Christians as vampires or cannibals, but I'm pretty sure a lot of Christians would!

I should not be compelled to use language which I do not want to use, simply for the sake of ensuring that other people maintain their various personal opinions about themselves.

Isn't that just being mean and rude? You know that what you're doing offends and hurts the feelings of some people, yet you do it anyways. Why? What do you gain that outweighs the hurt you inflicted?

Getting back to the pronouns issue, is not inherently rude to refuse to participate in the various words people want to use about themselves.

Yes it is. If you don't think so, go to a group of guys and constantly refer to them as women and see how they react. Shoot, think of how quickly you correct yourself when you call someone's dog a "good boy" and they tell you it's actually a girl.

But, it can be expressed in a rude way. I just think it is unfair to use those examples of rudeness on the part of some people as de facto evidence that all people who reject the compulsion to participate are rude.

Again, in the vast, vast majority of situations all you're being asked to do is be polite. Why is that so difficult?

But, no one wants to be compelled to be cooperative, including those people who do the compelling.

Really? We're compelled by society to be cooperative every single day! I guess I just don't understand why some folks have such a dislike for simply being polite.

 

[Barbarian]

I think the assumption here is at the center of the disagreement, i.e. that refusing to use the pronouns a person wants for him/herself, is "doing to them" some offensive thing.

If you don't mind people referring you as a different gender than yours, then you have a point. BTW, l have missed pronouns and no one went crazy. It seems transgendered persons just want to be left alone and treated like any other person.

My rule is to call people what they want to be called; it costs me nothing and shows respect.

 

[Uncle J]

If you don't mind people referring you as a different gender than yours, then you have a point. BTW, l have missed pronouns and no one went crazy. It seems transgendered persons just want to be left alone and treated like any other person.

My rule is to call people what they want to be called; it costs me nothing and shows respect.

I can't help but think of the "that which you sow, you shall reap" part of the Bible (see, told you I was raised in church ). So I'd think if a person goes around being rude to people, I'm betting they frequently get the same in return.

And that can't be a pleasant existence.

 

[Barbarian]

And that can't be a pleasant existence.

Sin is often its own punishment.

 

[Uncle J]

Sin is often its own punishment.

And conversely, being generally polite has its own rewards.

I have a good friend and colleague who I've known for almost 20 years. He's been a Christian and a conservative as long as I've known him, and he's truly a good guy. A few years ago he became the supervisor of an office that had a they/them non-binary person on the staff. A lot of people assumed that would cause problems with my friend.

But when we and some other old colleagues met up recently and he was asked about it, he put it very simply....as a supervisor he must set an example to the rest of the office about how all employees are to be treated respectfully, so he refers to they/them as they asked, which helps foster a positive, productive work environment. Then he finished by asking what he would gain by being mean and rude to the employee, and when no one answered he just smiled and said "So I'll just keep being polite, which we should all do at work anyways."

That's why he and I have been good friends for so long, even though we don't share the same views or beliefs on a number of things.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Right, except in the sentence before that you suggested anyone who doesn't participate is akin to a racist and/or sexist.


It comes across like you want to sound reasonable, that no one is being forced to agree, yet if you don't, you get these bad-person labels.

You can't control how people lable you.

 

[WIP]

Though they have this exalted opinion about themselves,

Do you suppose this is the problem? The opinion of themselves? Many if not all sin, can be traced back to pride.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Unless you demand birth certificates and genital inspections of everyone you meet, you are not likely to even know you are talking to a trans person.

Many Conservatives ive seen can tell. Tranzers or their choppers are not skilled or dont put in the push to make the disguise look good.

For instance, this article is about another Congresswoman call8ng attention to a transperson as a statement to congress.Mace is the one that made this everyone's business.

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[KV-44-v1]

You can't control how people lable you.

Right. Which is why being labeled an S-ist or R-ist has very little truth value to them, they are widely abused by narcisits and demorats.

 

[KV-44-v1]

I think the assumption here is at the center of the disagreement, i.e. that refusing to use the pronouns a person wants for him/herself, is "doing to them" some offensive thing.

Here is a slightly different example, for comparison. Let us say that someone wants me to call him Mr., a fairly common title in polite society. BUT, the abbreviation, "Mr." literally means master. That is the full word for which the abbreviation stands. But, I only have one master, that is, my creator.

I do not want to use that title for any one else. Yet, this tends to make those people very angry. They say it is a matter of respect and that they deserve the title because they are the authority, or because of some position they hold, or some opinion they have about their sense of place in the social order.

Though they have this exalted opinion about themselves, I do not feel that I must play along with it just to make them happy, even if my refusal hurts the feelings they hold about themselves.

I should not be compelled to use language which I do not want to use, simply for the sake of ensuring that other people maintain their various personal opinions about themselves.

Getting back to the pronouns issue, is not inherently rude to refuse to participate in the various words people want to use about themselves. But, it can be expressed in a rude way. I just think it is unfair to use those examples of rudeness on the part of some people as de facto evidence that all people who reject the compulsion to participate are rude.

Language always changes over time, so I don't have a problem with attempting to incorporate language which is more amiable to a particular group of people; it's nice to consider other people's feelings.

But, no one wants to be compelled to be cooperative, including those people who do the compelling.

Based comment.

 

[KV-44-v1]

I’m a gay

How? In what sense? Or are you just saying that youre happy?

 

[KV-44-v1]

It is to them, and that's what matters. I may not find it offensive to refer to Christians as vampires or cannibals, but I'm pretty sure a lot of Christians would!

Choosing to use a label and refusing to use are the opposite. You know this.
Right out of the gate you get confused and wrong. Ripped apart by your own reply!

 

[KV-44-v1]

Isn't that just being mean and rude? You know that what you're doing offends and hurts the feelings of some people, yet you do it anyways. Why? What do you gain that outweighs the hurt you inflicted?

As if forcing others to use "muh speshul wurdz" that contradict demonstrable reality isnt mean and rude. Calling true Christians vamps contradicts reality. Calling pretenders their biological gender aligns.

If it hurts their feeling, so what? YOU, uncle j, risk offending Christians with your politically correct replies, yet you dont care, so why should we? Mabye people having thin skin IS the problem. Think about that. We need thicker skins in this world.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno

I respect individuals rights to be called the name of their choice and referred to as the gender of their choice but….

Omg the social fallout from even accidentally dead naming someone is ridiculous. And..

Some of the most self righteous gender crusaders are just doing it because it’s currently a hot button topic in some circles. I accidentally dead named an acquaintance and it was dreadful. The cold stares the sharp correction….

Not fun at all. And what’s the point again?

 

[KV-44-v1]

I dunno

I respect individuals rights to be called the name of their choice and referred to as the gender of their choice but….

Omg the social fallout from even accidentally dead naming someone is ridiculous. And..

Some of the most self righteous gender crusaders are just doing it because it’s currently a hot button topic in some circles. I accidentally dead named an acquaintance and it was dreadful. The cold stares the sharp correction….

Not fun at all. And what’s the point again?

What we get when society abandons God in favor of "muh self and ego!!".
The point is that people are narcisists and bringing them back into reality by "ded naming" them bruises their ego a bit.
What are they contributing, anyway?

 

[Christ_empowered]

Ugh

No judgement here…well I do try discernment….

But the person wasn’t even there. It was unbelievably awkward and I can’t imagine dealing with it on a regular basis or with coworkers etc.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Many Conservatives ive seen can tell. Tranzers or their choppers are not skilled or dont put in the push to make the disguise look good.

You mean the youtube channels of people that claim everyone is trans and use contradictory criteria to pigeon hole everyone as trans?

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The actual topic of this thread? Did you look at the op or do you just stalk me around this site trying to start fights?

 

[Milk-Drops]

How? In what sense? Or are you just saying that youre happy?

I sware tou dont read what anyone posts. CE has been open about this for years. Even in threads you commented on when you had your Edward account.

 

[Milk-Drops]

What we get when society abandons God in favor of "muh self and ego!!".
The point is that people are narcisists and bringing them back into reality by "ded naming" them bruises their ego a bit.
What are they contributing, anyway?

Ok banned member Edward.

 

[Uncle J]

As if forcing others to use "muh speshul wurdz" that contradict demonstrable reality isnt mean and rude. Calling true Christians vamps contradicts reality. Calling pretenders their biological gender aligns.

If it hurts their feeling, so what? YOU, uncle j, risk offending Christians with your politically correct replies, yet you dont care, so why should we? Mabye people having thin skin IS the problem. Think about that. We need thicker skins in this world.

Well, if you want to go around being rude and mean to people, that's your right I guess. But as your Bible says, that which you sow you shall reap, so I'm betting that people are often rude and mean to you as well.

And I have to wonder just how many times in your life you've been forced to refer to a trans person in any certain way. Has that ever actually happened to you?