Marianne Williamson

[WinterPuma]

Yeah, they're smart enough to tell you that God is dead.

You should read them so as to know what they write before you speak.
You're wrong. Hitchens was an atheist. He did not believe God was dead. He asserted there was no evidence to sustain the idea of any religion's deity, god.
Christopher's brother is a Theist. A believer.

Whereas Stephen Hawking did not believe in a creator but did believe in an impersonal god. As he described in his book, The Theory of Everything.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I already did. You missed the two words of God that did prove it. Try these. http://www.openbible.info/topics/sons_and_daughters_of_god

You know, you don't know me, but you have no problem insulting me.
But because I speak out against a non-Christian WOMAN, you show hatred to a Christian man who was simply expressing myself about how people so often quote non-Christians instead of reading Christian literature and quoting Christians.
These worldly reading habits give us worldly wisdom quotes on Christian forums.
Imagine God non having enough of his children with spiritual wisdom to share with us.
People need to get their priorities in order.

 

[WinterPuma]

So you are a god just like Jesus was God, because that's what she says.

That's a false statement.
It's your link to the Beliefnet article and you don't know what she actually says?
What is it inside you that leads you to create a space in this Christian community wherein you intend to and invite others to speak against a Christian woman and misrepresent her beliefs? And ask others to join in.

 

[WinterPuma]

You know, you don't know me, but you have no problem insulting me.
But because I speak out against a non-Christian WOMAN, you show hatred to a Christian man who was simply expressing myself about how people so often quote non-Christians instead of reading Christian literature and quoting Christians.
These worldly reading habits give us worldly wisdom quotes on Christian forums.
Imagine God non having enough of his children with spiritual wisdom to share with us.
People need to get their priorities in order.

Yes, I quite agree. People need to get their priorities in order. For instance, you misrepresent me when you quote me and then claim that post insults you.
While you fully intended in the creation of this thread to insult one Marianne Williamson. Whom you do not know.
It is no insult to point out the false witness, the violation of the 9th Commandment of God, you bring forward in the first and later postings here are such. It is no insult to point out you violate Jesus' command to love your neighbor as yourself. It is no insult to recall for your edification the scriptures that speak as to how we are to deliver correction to those who are wrong. And you sir are wrong.

It is no insult to point that out. Your false claims against a woman you do not know and berrate here are not only a smear on the fabric that should wrap around the body of every Christian as they enter into this world as God's earthly representative bearing forth the likeness and teachings of his Son, it is a sign that your priority is to insult a woman you do not know while demonstrating among sisters and brothers here that you do not know scripture. Otherwise you would never have taken issue with Marianne Williamson citing them in the Beliefnet article.

God said we are his children. His daughters and sons.
God said!

Marrianne Williamson recalled that fact. To you that means she's not a Christian?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That's a false statement.
It's your link to the Beliefnet article and you don't know what she actually says?
What is it inside you that leads you to create a space in this Christian community wherein you intend to and invite others to speak against a Christian woman and misrepresent her beliefs? And ask others to join in.

I'm starting to think you like me.
In fact you do.
You do like me.
I can tell.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, very good point. And what is the 9th Commandment as reads in Exodus 20:16? Thou shalt not bear false witness.
The OP violates that command. It also in attempting to impugn Marianne Williamson , and fails, impugns God! By all those flames and false accusations against Williamson, that she is not a Christian, and asking what Christian would quote MW, while the Bible is full of scriptures that refer to exactly what MW said about sons and daughters of God.
God said of his children we are his daughters and sons. Think of the criticisms the OP contains about that then click the link that shows you in my other post all those passages where God declared us his children, sons and daughters of He who is creator of all things.

How could you speak well of someone who hates Christianity?
Look what she said,,,from the op:

Was Jesus the only Son of God?

Hogwash! First of all, I believe we are all Sons of God, and it is our destiny to be as Jesus. He said whoever does what he has been doing "will do even greater things than these." The difference is he was a Son of God who fully remembered that he was a Son of God and he displayed that understanding.Second, there is only one soul. To say there is "only one begotten son" doesn't mean that someone else was it, and we're not. It means we're all it. There's only one of us here

 

[WinterPuma]

How could you speak well of some who hates Christianity?
Look what she said,,,from the op:

Was Jesus the only Son of God?

Hogwash! First of all, I believe we are all Sons of God, and it is our destiny to be as Jesus. He said whoever does what he has been doing "will do even greater things than these." The difference is he was a Son of God who fully remembered that he was a Son of God and he displayed that understanding.Second, there is only one soul. To say there is "only one begotten son" doesn't mean that someone else was it, and we're not. It means we're all it. There's only one of us here

What fun.
This is admittedly choppy but it addresses what it needs to address concering Marianne Williamson's article excerpt . It's all Biblical by the way.

Matthew 14
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves. 12Truly, truly, I tell you,whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Ephesians 4As a prisoner in the Lord, then, I urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling you have received: 2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,and with diligence to preserve the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to onehope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

1 Corinthians 12:13 ESV / 5 helpful votesHelpful Not Helpful
1 Corinthians 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.


One Spirit


By the way, just to bring this to your and others attention here. Read Allen Wynne's OP again. The charges he makes about quoting Marianne Williamson. And Marianne Williamson herself.
Odd that that woman would be pulled out of thin air and her thoughts brought here into an advice column in the fellowship section isn't it? What advice is being sought? None.
There is a member here who has a quote of Marianne Williamson in her signature. This same member was accused of not being a Christian and being a Gnostic instead by a different man among us. And now there is a Gnosticism thread designed to bring charges against that and anyone who is Gnostic. Which that same member with the Williamson signature on her account was accused of being.

See the thread? You all are being asked to cast aspursions on a sister. What's next? A flame thread on how evil the fur trade is? Because Uber MINK needs to take another hit? This is the Christian advice and talk forum. No advice is being sought. You all are being asked to talk about Uber Mink.
You just don't realize it. But Allen does. Marianne Williamson? Her quote appears in Uber's posts here. In that thread that use to appear in Foyer where she was accused of being a Gnostic when sharing advice on a stranger who entered as a guest and asked for help to believe in Jesus.

Yeah, that's what is happening here people. The Gnosticism thread on that other board? Theology I think . And this.
You'll not be tolerated on Christian forums if you accuse a Christian member of not being one. But look at the wording in the Gnosticism thread and the OP here given what you have been told now about Uber Mink.

Saying she's not a Christian using these avenues is low!
And you all are being asked to join in and you didn't even know it.

 

[WinterPuma]

I'm starting to think you like me.
In fact you do.
You do like me.
I can tell.

You're wrong.
I love you.
As a brother of this sister in Christ.
That's why I correct you. Because Jesus said it was to be done when a brother is wrong.

 

[Papa Zoom]

I'm just really curious on something here. Was Stephen Hawking an atheist? He just passed away yesterday and so that's why I wanted to know.

Well I assume he was of sorts. At least agnostic on the Christian view of God.

 

[WinterPuma]

Time Magazine Stephen Hawking Was an Atheist. Here’s What He Said About God, Heaven and His Own Death

 

[Papa Zoom]

I probably wouldn't seek out advice from Marianne Williamson. She's a spiritual leader and not one I'd care to learn from. However, the general principle of learning from non believers IF what they offer is the truth, is an important idea. If my plumber tells me how to care for my pipes, I'll listen regardless of his "religious" beliefs. I've read books by authors that aren't believers. I read two books by atheists on Free Will. Both presented opposite opinions. I learned a lot about those ideas from both.

But, I fully place my faith in Jesus and generally spend my time reading Christian authors because they have a lot to say about a lot of things. Still, I read books that I find interesting and I don't do a litmus test unless the topic is on faith or spiritual things. Which is why I won't read williamson. Not interested.

OTOH, she's my age and looks 40. I want to know what she eats!

 

[WinterPuma]

It doesn't take much looking to find out about her. I did in order to post here. I knew the name in the title was familiar. Then I saw one of Uber's posts.

There's a Christian Vegetarian Association article that tells us first few lines in the search that MW was born in 1952. I agree that she looks great for her age. I guess she lives her faith from the inside out.

 

[GodsGrace]

What fun.
This is admittedly choppy but it addresses what it needs to address concering Marianne Williamson's article excerpt . It's all Biblical by the way.

Matthew 14
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves. 12Truly, truly, I tell you,whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Ephesians 4As a prisoner in the Lord, then, I urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling you have received: 2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,and with diligence to preserve the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to onehope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

1 Corinthians 12:13 ESV / 5 helpful votesHelpful Not Helpful
1 Corinthians 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.


One Spirit


By the way, just to bring this to your and others attention here. Read Allen Wynne's OP again. The charges he makes about quoting Marianne Williamson. And Marianne Williamson herself.
Odd that that woman would be pulled out of thin air and her thoughts brought here into an advice column in the fellowship section isn't it? What advice is being sought? None.
There is a member here who has a quote of Marianne Williamson in her signature. This same member was accused of not being a Christian and being a Gnostic instead by a different man among us. And now there is a Gnosticism thread designed to bring charges against that and anyone who is Gnostic. Which that same member with the Williamson signature on her account was accused of being.

See the thread? You all are being asked to cast aspursions on a sister. What's next? A flame thread on how evil the fur trade is? Because Uber MINK needs to take another hit? This is the Christian advice and talk forum. No advice is being sought. You all are being asked to talk about Uber Mink.
You just don't realize it. But Allen does. Marianne Williamson? Her quote appears in Uber's posts here. In that thread that use to appear in Foyer where she was accused of being a Gnostic when sharing advice on a stranger who entered as a guest and asked for help to believe in Jesus.

Yeah, that's what is happening here people. The Gnosticism thread on that other board? Theology I think . And this.
You'll not be tolerated on Christian forums if you accuse a Christian member of not being one. But look at the wording in the Gnosticism thread and the OP here given what you have been told now about Uber Mink.

Saying she's not a Christian using these avenues is low!
And you all are being asked to join in and you didn't even know it.

Are you saying what Williamson said as quoted in the op is biblical?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You're wrong.
I love you.
As a brother of this sister in Christ.
That's why I correct you. Because Jesus said it was to be done when a brother is wrong.

Uh uh, that doesn't count
Outside of your Christianity, you like me

 

[Free]

Yes, very good point. And what is the 9th Commandment as reads in Exodus 20:16? Thou shalt not bear false witness.
The OP violates that command. It also in attempting to impugn Marianne Williamson , and fails, impugns God! By all those flames and false accusations against Williamson, that she is not a Christian, and asking what Christian would quote MW, while the Bible is full of scriptures that refer to exactly what MW said about sons and daughters of God.
God said of his children we are his daughters and sons. Think of the criticisms the OP contains about that then click the link that shows you in my other post all those passages where God declared us his children, sons and daughters of He who is creator of all things.

There is no false witness here. I think you are reading about Marianne Williamson what you want to read about her. Taken from her site:

"The mega best seller A Return to Love is considered a must-read of The New Spirituality." <--Huge red flag. https://marianne.com/about/

Regarding that same book: "We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It’s not just in some of us; it’s in everyone. " <--Patently, biblically false. http://marianne.com/a-return-to-love/

Regarding the book, The Law of Divine Compensation: "You have a calling because you are a child of God." <--Everyone is not a child of God. Again, patently, biblically false. https://marianne.com/the-law-of-divine-compensation-on-work-money-and-miracles/

"When I grew I realized that in the Old Testament indeed they did, and even more importantly, metaphysically a priest is anyone who invokes into expression the unlimited possibilities that emerge from the field of ultimate Reality. All of us are recruits for the new priesthood, no matter what we do, needed to invoke into expression the unlimited possibilities inherent in the Mind of God. These possibilities remain un-manifest until we have the courage to invoke them.

Like ancient priestesses at Delphi, let us summon all our powers of multi-dimensional knowing, emerge from the narrow and shallow casing of a mechanistic worldview, throw off the chains of a rationalistic approach to life, and remember we are co-creators of our future. We are not victims here; we’re merely reaping what we’ve sowed. And we can sow anew. We are here to create the good, the true, and the beautiful, and anything less than that is short of our purpose and our mission in this life.

Like ancient priestesses at Delphi, let us summon all our powers of multi-dimensional knowing, emerge from the narrow and shallow casing of a mechanistic worldview, throw off the chains of a rationalistic approach to life, and remember we are co-creators of our future. "
https://marianne.com/hopelessness-versus-joy-holiday-season/

False, "New Age," anti-Christian teaching.

To the article in the OP, it most certainly is not Christian teaching. It is a very dangerous teaching because it sounds Christian, it uses Christian lingo, but she has changed the meaning to suit her own beliefs. From the very beginning of that article:

"Who was/is Jesus?

Jesus was a human being who while on earth completely self-actualized and fulfilled in all ways the potential glory that lies within us all. He became one with the Essence and Christ Spirit that is in all of us. In that sense, he is our evolutionary elder brother. He demonstrated our destiny. He displayed for all to see the destination of this journey that we are on. The only thing lacking in any situation is our own awareness of love, and Jesus realized and taught that."

There is simply no way that is based on the Bible. That is a New Age, "New Spirituality" twist on Scripture.

"The point of Jesus' existence wasn't to lessen or diminish our appreciation of each other, but to expand our appreciation of each other by reminding us what lies within all of us, because Jesus was an example of the pinnacle of human evolution."

Completely wrong. One simply cannot be a Christian and have such a view of Jesus.

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/200...believes-about-jesus.aspx#PvUr8BB4rLCbPyjm.99

 

[WinterPuma]

There is no false witness here. I think you are reading about Marianne Williamson what you want to read about her. Taken from her site:

"The mega best seller A Return to Love is considered a must-read of The New Spirituality." <--Huge red flag. https://marianne.com/about/

Regarding that same book: "We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It’s not just in some of us; it’s in everyone. " <--Patently, biblically false. http://marianne.com/a-return-to-love/

Regarding the book, The Law of Divine Compensation: "You have a calling because you are a child of God." <--Everyone is not a child of God. Again, patently, biblically false. https://marianne.com/the-law-of-divine-compensation-on-work-money-and-miracles/

"When I grew I realized that in the Old Testament indeed they did, and even more importantly, metaphysically a priest is anyone who invokes into expression the unlimited possibilities that emerge from the field of ultimate Reality. All of us are recruits for the new priesthood, no matter what we do, needed to invoke into expression the unlimited possibilities inherent in the Mind of God. These possibilities remain un-manifest until we have the courage to invoke them.

Like ancient priestesses at Delphi, let us summon all our powers of multi-dimensional knowing, emerge from the narrow and shallow casing of a mechanistic worldview, throw off the chains of a rationalistic approach to life, and remember we are co-creators of our future. We are not victims here; we’re merely reaping what we’ve sowed. And we can sow anew. We are here to create the good, the true, and the beautiful, and anything less than that is short of our purpose and our mission in this life.

Like ancient priestesses at Delphi, let us summon all our powers of multi-dimensional knowing, emerge from the narrow and shallow casing of a mechanistic worldview, throw off the chains of a rationalistic approach to life, and remember we are co-creators of our future. "
https://marianne.com/hopelessness-versus-joy-holiday-season/

False, "New Age," anti-Christian teaching.

To the article in the OP, it most certainly is not Christian teaching. It is a very dangerous teaching because it sounds Christian, it uses Christian lingo, but she has changed the meaning to suit her own beliefs. From the very beginning of that article:

"Who was/is Jesus?

Jesus was a human being who while on earth completely self-actualized and fulfilled in all ways the potential glory that lies within us all. He became one with the Essence and Christ Spirit that is in all of us. In that sense, he is our evolutionary elder brother. He demonstrated our destiny. He displayed for all to see the destination of this journey that we are on. The only thing lacking in any situation is our own awareness of love, and Jesus realized and taught that."

There is simply no way that is based on the Bible. That is a New Age, "New Spirituality" twist on Scripture.

"The point of Jesus' existence wasn't to lessen or diminish our appreciation of each other, but to expand our appreciation of each other by reminding us what lies within all of us, because Jesus was an example of the pinnacle of human evolution."

Completely wrong. One simply cannot be a Christian and have such a view of Jesus.

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/200...believes-about-jesus.aspx#PvUr8BB4rLCbPyjm.99

You miss the fact that the discussion I am having with Allen Wynne concerns what he shared from the link at Beliefnet.
Thanks. And that pertains to false witness. As does flaming through this suberfuge a member here so as to claim she is not a Christian because she has a Williamson quote on her signature.
The error some Christians make is thinking no one has any wisdom to share unless they're Christian.
Genesis says we are made in the image and likness of God. God is creator of us. He is our Father in Heaven and he in his word calls us his children, his daughers and sons.
The familial references there are that which pertain to being in Christ and part of God. And that which happened in the garden in Eden put a separation between us and that conscious understanding. We became aware of the differences in the world. Evil and Good. We , as the book tells us, were of the same understanding as the Father. Having the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis is a great refresher for where we came from and who we are now that we're in Christ. The same Christ in the NT is God the father in the OT.

 

[Free]

You miss the fact that the discussion I am having with Allen Wynne concerns what he shared from the link at Beliefnet.
Thanks.

I didn't miss that at all. The very last part of my post is from that very link. Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. You'll notice that I said "From the very beginning of that article," in reference to "To the article in the OP," prior to posting a quote from that very article.

 

[WinterPuma]

I didn't miss that at all. The very last part of my post is from that very link. Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. You'll notice that I said "From the very beginning of that article," in reference to "To the article in the OP," prior to posting a quote from that very article.

No , I saw that. You attempted to add from Williamsons website to add fuel to Allen's fire in the OP. I simply informed you that what was being discussed was what you added at the end of your fuel.

 

[WinterPuma]

I'm going to leave this post now because of the content and motive of this thread appearing in the Christian advice and talk forum. No advice is being sought. You all just want to talk about a Christian who doesn't meet the criteria you all think fits what is approved by you all as the type Christian that doesn't deserve to be talked about.
And that a member here happens to have one of Williamson's quotes in her signature just so happens to be what is the actual purpose of all this. When the OP observed that no Christain quotes Williamson.

But certain Christians talk about other Christians not appearing to be Christian. Because those certain not appearing to be's think differently than Christians that think to call certain not appearing to be Christians not Christian. Because of how they think, while in line with the scriptures, but yet are not approved by some Christians to think that way because the scriptures can only be thought of their way so as not to warrant from them being talked about as not Christian.


I've read of that kind of behavior and attitude before. Not conforming to what is expected and to be approved thought concerning scriptures and one's faithfulness to and within them. AH yes, that's right. Jesus! When he was dragged before the Pharisee's who did not approve how he read the scriptures and lived and taught the life within them was contemporary, alive, and real for anyone who held faith. Because the scriptures are God's personal communication to each one of his sheep who know his voice. And he knows each of their names. Individuals who know the father as daugher or son. And like in human familial relationships those are intimate bonds of knowing unique between each child and each parent. They talk to one another and understand as individuals not as robots the message of family and love for one another.

But some think everyone has to read the same scripture the same way or else they're not a Christian. There is more alive in the words of The Word that is God than writing on the page.

Ta.

 

[Free]

And that pertains to false witness.

How is it a false witness? I have quoted her own website and another article, all of which contain significant anti-Christian, New Spirituality teaching.

As does flaming through this suberfuge a member here so as to claim she is not a Christian because she has a Williamson quote on her signature.

I have no idea about that.

The error some Christians make is thinking no one has any wisdom to share unless they're Christian.

Yes, some Christians do that. But another error some make is thinking that anyone using "Christian language" is a Christian.

Genesis says we are made in the image and likness of God. God is creator of us. He is our Father in Heaven and he in his word calls us his children, his daughers and sons.

Believers and only believers are referred to as his children:

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (ESV)

Rom 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (ESV)

That is contrary to what Williamson teaches.

Genesis is a great refresher for where we came from and who we are now that we're in Christ.

Of course. Every believer, and only believers, are in Christ.

The same Christ in the NT is God the father in the OT.

No, not at all. God the Father in the OT is still God the Father in the NT. Jesus is God the Son, not the Father. A father is never his own son nor a son his own father. The very idea is nonsense and makes the analogy of father and son completely meaningless.