: This just seems like a complete contradiction. What are you trying to say?
I'm saying that we all see only IN PART and that many believers who HAVE SIN and HAVE SINNED have also in fact ASCENDED the ETERNAL JUDGMENT SEAT of God and THROW their 'unsaved' neighbors into HELL.
I personally 'detest' this FALSE PRACTICE of 'christianity.'
The last time I checked we are all called to 'love our neighbors' as ourSELVES. That includes Mr. Muslim neighbors, most of whom are decent people in any case.
I didn't say He isn't. Does the Scripture not say that God appoints all the nations kings and rulers? Did He not appoint Hitler, Stalin, Mao?
God is IN CONTROL of ALL the Nations and sets up WHOMEVER He pleases. (multiple scriptures available for the understanding)
Unbelievers who engage in fornication call it love. Is God pleased with them? The Gay community tells us "you can't help who you fall in love with!" Does God honor their love?
I will use scriptural measures of LOVE to see if it is 'real fruit.' Can't say a sex act is that.
Jesus DID say we would know 'them' by their FRUIT, not their doctrines or 'which versions' of Jesus they have conjured up for themselves.
NO bad tree can PRODUCE good fruit.
Who else can we stand enter into the Holy of Holies if we do not wear His righteousness? What other option of righteousness do we have? Did we not become new creations after receiving Christ? We were not adopted able to cry out Abba! Father! You're absolutely right. NO one loves AS God loves. Exactly my point! It takes the Spirit of God to love like God.
Any man can claim all sorts of things by Gods Words. Happens everyday. There is only ONE WAY to know a believer from an unbeliever and that is BY THEIR FRUIT and 'not neccessarily' related to Jesus on the lips.
Many a raging WOLF IS dressed in SHEEP CLOTH. In fact it is IN THE CHURCH that MOST of these are located because THAT is where the battle ground IS and has also been the fulcrum of SATAN'S ATTACKS.
How many PASTORS and PRIESTS do we need to see FALL VICTIM to Satan before we figure this out?
John 15:13
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
So Christ states that this is the purest, highest form of love. When was the last time your neighbor laid done his life for you?
Again, no comparison available. The death of God in Christ cannot be equated to anyone else. That was HIS SPECIAL GIFT, to suffer as we suffer and then some.
You tell me not to sit on the judgement seat of Christ and then turn around and say not many believers are able to love their neighbor as themself? Have you ever looked into the Christendom found in the 3rd world?
Many believers think they have life in them by damning their neighbors to burn alive forever. They have NO KNOWLEDGE or AUTHORITY to make such proclamations.
You do realize that within traditional orthodoxy THEY have not been able to DETERMINE A SINGLE 'specific' PERSON into HELL?
This is their position and IT IS SCRIPTURALLY VALID.
Such 'eternal judges' have A FORREST of TREES in their EYE.
If a sinful man shows me Godly love, than I am not missing anything. I am able to recognize my Lord and God and receive that love. That sinful man is nothing but God's tool to touch my heart and bless me.
There is no discernment available by the DOCTRINAL FLAGS alone.
Matt. 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
When GOOD FRUIT is seen it is FROM A GOOD TREE.
Exactly. The believers have the Holy Spirit showing love through them and the unbelievers are given gifts of Godly love.
When GOOD FRUIT is seen it is FROM A GOOD TREE. God will not be burning GOOD TREES alive in fire forever.
Exactly. It serves God's purposes. That doesn't mean that one who hasn't been washed by the Blood of the Lamb will enter into heaven. Even if he has expressed Godly love in his life.
There is no way for YOU to determine that matter. You are not God. You can 'surmise' all you want, but you are not The JUDGE.
Jesus was clear that how we judge others is how we will be judged. No doctrine is going to sway that measure. A man with perfect doctrine can STILL BE A WOLF.
Okay, let me rephrase my question.
Is an unbelieving man who committed murder knowing that it is sin before God blinded by Satan? Yes. Is an unbelieving man who dies in his sin, never accepting Jesus' offer to wash away his sins going to perish? Yes.
IF you are one of those believers who shows up at funerals telling the family of the deceased that their loved one is burning in hell, I am one of those who will usher you out the door with CHASTISEMENTS.
ALL of us were once BLINDED by the 'god of this world.' Believers should pray for THE BLIND and NOT condemn them and DEFINITELY LOVE them.
God in Christ did not share His Love with us so we can go around damning people to burn alive for 'not believing like us' and calling that action 'faith' no less!
That practice is NOT christianity. It is the practice of raging WOLVES. Such 'victims' of SATAN have my prayers as well, but they are VERY brief ones and I avoid such 'so called' believers.
Fear mongering in the name of Jesus is not an activity of faith.
Now at which point does this sinner exalt herself higher than God? Or does she merely use His word as the foundation of her Temple?
When any person does not love their neighbors as themselves they have left the faith. Faith works 'by love.'
God is willing that no one should perish. He knocks on the door of their hearts until their final breath. What can He do if they won't open the door?
Your basic position is 'freewill.' I do not hold that position. I cannot rule out GODS involvement in the will of ANY man, and I can not rule the devil's will OUT of any man either. Satan assuredly INSERTS thoughts into the WILL that are NOT the thoughts of the MANS WILL
nor can any man's will STOP such INSERTIONS.
The point I made is not about the salvation of the Jews. That's another topic.
Indeed it is.
The Bible clearly states that those who do not know Him and those He doesn't know will not enter into Heaven. That goes for Jews, Christians, and Catholics.
The will of God for ALL MEN is to love our neighbors as ourselves.
How can a believer be yoked to an unbeliever? What business does good have with evil?
Paul had EVIL PRESENT with him when he wanted to do good.
IF a LYING DEVIL in a man said I BELIEVE, is that man a believer?
In the end it is a matter of FRUIT action that determines who is who. NO evil tree can love his neighbors as himself. That CAN NOT be done.
I understand your viewpoint, but I am going to stick with the Scripture on this matter.
Stick all you want. Many of these matters of 'scripture' are often a reflection of what is in our own hearts. God has purposefully placed WORDS in the TEXT to bring out EVIL and to SHOW it in the hearts of those who carry same to the carriers.
It does take THE SPIRIT OF LOVE to bring LIFE to any man. Such believers will be LED to find the ways in the scriptures to LOVE ALL THEIR NEIGHBORS and then DO IT without condemning them.
The enemy to LOVE looks back at us in the mirror.
And for the record MUSLIMS who promote KILLING their non-Muslim neighbors are WOLVES in 'Muslim' sheep cloth. Many Muslims would NOT consider such as Muslims.
enjoy!
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