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yes.
okay, so now you know more than the KJV. Got it.
Hmm. Firstborn from the dead.
id use "essence" not substance.
Agreed; he is. Free
He used substance, so I used substance. Similarly, though, I wouldn't use "100% man and 100% God," as numbers confuse things, and 100% suggests absoluteness, which is to say, that is all Jesus is. So, how can he be 100% man and 100% God? I think it is better to say that he is truly man and truly God or fully man and fully God. That is, Jesus is man in every sense a man is and God in every sense God is.
You're going to need to provide Biblical support for this. Jesus is called a man many times. Where did Jesus ever claim to be God? Could anything Jesus said be understood to be a denial of being God?
Please read Revelation 1:4-8 and honestly tell me if you think Jesus is still the one talking in verse 8.okay, so now you know more than the KJV. Got it.
God raised him from the dead and made him both Lord and Christ as Scripture states. Do you agree with that?
I would say both. If Jesus is fully man and fully God then both the material and immaterial aspects need to taken into account. Jesus didn't lose his body post-resurrection did he?
And yet what you said contradicts itself and Orthodox Trinitarianism.
I know, I know: three thumbs-up for a comment is unrealistic, since, who has three hands? But then, I thought: Why not? -- since only two thumbs-up doesn't seem quite adequate for extolling the truth of your comment, and since having three hands is scarcely more unrealistic than having two left hands!
You're exactly right: "the substance that IS Them"!
If you've glanced at my posts, you may have noticed that I like the standard Trinity diagram pretty well:
As I imagine you already know, these twelve truths are nicely presented by that simple -- and I say, beautiful -- work of art:
It's so easy to see that no contradiction is involved between any of those twelve propositions. You could replace the label 'God' in the center of the triangle with, say, the label 'Water'; and replace the 'The Father', 'The Son', and 'The Holy Spirit' labels on the vertices with, say, the labels 'The Atlantic Ocean', 'The Pacific Ocean', and 'The Indian Ocean'; and thereby a nice Trinity analogy is presented in twelve obvious truths about water and three of its bodies. (And, the fact that God is three Persons, whereas water is far more than three bodies, is irrelevant to, and of no militance against the fact of the analogy.)
- God is the Father.
- God is the Son.
- God is the Holy Spirit.
- The Father is God.
- The Son is God.
- The Holy Spirit is God.
- The Father is not the Son.
- The Father is not the Holy Spirit.
- The Son is not the Father.
- The Son is not the Holy Spirit.
- The Holy Spirit is not the Father.
- The Holy Spirit is not the Son.
- Water is the Atlantic Ocean.
- Water is the Pacific Ocean.
- Water is the Indian Ocean.
- The Atlantic Ocean is water.
- The Pacific Ocean is water.
- The Indian Ocean is water.
- The Atlantic Ocean is not the Pacific Ocean.
- The Atlantic Ocean is not the Indian Ocean.
- The Pacific Ocean is not the Atlantic Ocean.
- The Pacific Ocean is not the Indian Ocean.
- The Indian Ocean is not the Atlantic Ocean.
- The Indian Ocean is not the Pacific Ocean.
By your word, "God", when you say "each person is God individually", are you referring to the Father? Yes or No?
This is a massive contradiction to Trinitarianism for it not only represents them each individually rather than as members of the Godhead who are one God. Even I, a strict monotheist and Unitarian, will accept that Trinitarianism just barely gets by as monotheism on the skin of its teeth under the Unity of the Godhead theory.
So, I asked you:
You: <NO ANSWER>
The Holy Spirit is a Person, not the name of a Person. The Holy Spirit is not the phrase, "the Holy Spirit". No person is the name of a person. You are confused if you imagine that a person is/could be a name. I'm Paul, a person. I am not the name -- the phrase -- "Paul". "Paul" is my name; "Paul" is the name of a person -- me -- and is not, itself, a person.
Yes, God is on a throne, which Ezekiel and John saw in their visions, and Ezekiel saw him in appearance of a man. I've told you before that I'm not arguing with you about Jesus, but theophany. You deny God's prerogative to appearance in any shape or form he sees fit and erroneously label it as modalism, even though it's a solid biblical fact, which is even evidenced in your own quote of Ex. 6:2-3.
Who are you to speak on behalf of God's prophet? And call him blind? God put his words in Ezekiel, not you. He knew exactly what he saw, otherwise he wouldn't have described it in this prophecy book.
All kinds of clay contains silicon dioxide, one of the most abundant compound in earth, but it doesn't exist naturally in any organic matters. "We are made of clay" is absolutely false, a futile and laughable gaslighting attempt. Jesus compared the kingdom of heaven with a wheat field and a drag net, that is just an analogy for illustration, so is this pottery lesson for Jeremiah.
I've told you before, man, I'm not your enemy, I don't arrogantly lecture on you, I don't repeatedly shove that dumb triangle in your face like the other guy does. My view is that Jesus the Son and God the Father are the two sides of the same coin, Jesus is the material side we see, God is the immaterial side we don't see, and the coin is of the same essence which is the Holy Spirit. These two sides are distinct, as the engravings on the two sides are usually different, maybe an emblem on the back and its monetary value on the front, but this is still one coin, not two different ones.
You're getting tangled up in your own logic. Let's just go with what the Bible says.
You saying I'm "getting tangled up" is you lashing out at me in your chagrin, because I've levelled questions and criticism against your heretical ravings, to which even you know you are unable and have failed to respond rationally. But, you are right in your admission that I am on the side of logic; you telling me logic is mine is you telling me logic is not yours -- you are repudiating logic and admitting you want nothing to do with logic.
So, since Jesus says no one knows the Son except the Father, you think the Son does not know the Son? You think the Son does not know Himself?
Jesus says no one except the Father knows the Son. So, does the Son know the Son? Yes or No?
By your phrase, "an omniscient God", are you referring to the Father? Yes or No?
No chagrin, just directly telling you what I hope will help you.
No mention of the Holy Spirit there as someone who knows the Father and Son. Why would something as important as who God is exclude a member of your Trinity if your doctrine is the truth?
How do you account for omissions of your Trinity members where it should matter?
"...and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." So yes I do. The Father and Son have been revealed unto me. How about you?
Yes they know themselves, but the point is there is no mention of the Trinitarian Godhead there nor are there any contradictions to God's omniscience, but there is a contradiction to the unity of the Trinity. The Father is the Holy Spirit.
Self-referencing the Trinity doctrine to confirm the Trinity doctrine isn't what we need to do to confirm the Trinity. What does the Bible say in response to your question?