Not an act of faith but the entire Christian faith including baptism
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Thks
I don’t understand how this addresses my post.
Unfortunately you do not seem to be able to read the posts directed to you and you keep makeing the same erroneous mistake over and over.
Again, A close look at Mark 16:16 reveals that it is not connecting baptism with salvation. Rather, the verse distinguishes between belief and salvation, and lack of belief and condemnation. The first half of the verse emphasizes belief as the means of salvation. The public expression of that belief is baptism.
You can keep using Mark 16:16 all you want to, but that is not going to make it a correct Bible theological point.
The Bible is abundantly clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation is a faulty interpretation.
As I have point out to you TWICE now, it is important to remember that there are some textual problems with Mark chapter 16, verses 9-20. Regarding Mark 16:16, some question as to whether these verses were originally part of the Gospel of Mark or whether they were added later by a scribe. As a result, it is best not to base a key doctrine on anything from Mark 16:9-20.
Mark 16 also tell us that snake handeling is acceptable to those who believe.
So then......do YOU practice kissing rattelsnakes on a regualar basis????
That is FAITH!
Muslims believe Jesus is the Christ but not the Son of God nor the crucification and resurrection. Only that He was a prophet. They don't believe He takes away the sin of the world. As in purchased for God by His blood. That every name under heaven is under His authority except the one who gave Him that authority.
I think Jesus knows who loves Him and believe in Him. And those that call on Him can and will be forgiven regardless of water baptism. Its salvation through the forgiveness of sins.
Yes sir.......that exactly what I am saying as well!
Christ gives revelation for no reason?
And the Bible never says baptism is a public witness of faith!
How church fathers said there is no salvation without baptism!
Eph 2:8 refers to redemption not salvation
The only problem with scripture is that it dont support your late traditions like “faith alone”!
Baptism is found in many verses not a few
Jn 3:5 for example
Thks
And eph 4:5?
Read the Bible in Ephesians 2:8-9........
" For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Baptism is a man made work.
We are justified by God by grace alone; on the basis of Christ’s blood and righteousness alone; through the means, or instrument, of faith alone; for the ultimate glory of God alone; as taught with final and decisive authority in Scripture alone.”
Romans 3:27
“Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.”
Who can perform the supposed work of baptizing yourself?
Eph 2:8 refers to redemption not your personal faith alone justification or salvation
Grace does not exclude works
Dyonisius the Areopagite
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Mary has been known for two thousand years in the Orthodox Church as the Theotokos which means "God-Bearer".
May the Lord be with you.
For what does the Bible support "faith but not faith alone"?
Acts 8: 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Faith & baptism!
Btw how did the eunuch know about baptism?
Thks
You’re not understanding my question. You just keep repeating “faith & baptism” and “faith but not faith alone.” In regards to what, specifically?
For what? Why do those things matter? How is it that you don't understand what I'm asking?
Sorry Please state it again
I just did; you quoted it...
Scripture opposes natural works, works of the law, dead works done apart from Christ and devoid of grace!
Not faith and works united to Christ in grace! Jn 15:4-5
In Christ and his grace “we bear fruit” apart from Him you can perform the works but they are dead. You can do nothing bearing fruit “merit” before God
Thks
Works are commanded by Christ and necessary to avoid sin
Fallen human nature needs God’s help and grace
Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: (commit sin) the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
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