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Mary, the mother of the Lord

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Consecrated Life said:
A person who has not called upon the Lord and been Saved, has no respect from God for attempting to obey commands.
Genesis 4:5
But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect.
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What about the rich man?

Matt 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 
donadams said:
What about the rich man?

Matt 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

......................... come and follow me.
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Jesus put the Word on Him concerning the one thing that was required for his "good deeds " to be validated by God.

Matt 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?......................... come and follow me.


It was more than the young man's carnal heart could bear to forsake all and call upon the Lord.
He walked away lost in sorrow, and unsaved despite the "good deeds" he claimed

Mat 19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful
 
Consecrated Life said:
Jesus put the Word on Him concerning the one thing that was required for his "good deeds " to be validated by God.

Matt 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?......................... come and follow me.


It was more than the young man's carnal heart could bear to forsake all and call upon the Lord.
He walked away lost in sorrow, and unsaved despite the "good deeds" he claimed

Mat 19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful
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He said keep the commandments!
 
donadams said:
He said keep the commandments!
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That you do not understand Jesus's final Word to the young man , THAT HE MUST COME TO CHRIST:

Matt 19: 16 .............. come and follow me.

: to make the commandments of merit with God, as well as your inability to connect the dots as to his reason for turning his back on Jesus, speaks to a spiritual understanding that is miles wide and inches deep.
Mat 19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful
 
Consecrated Life said:
That you do not understand Jesus's final Word to the young man , THAT HE MUST COME TO CHRIST:

Matt 19: 16 .............. come and follow me.

: to make the commandments of merit with God, as well as your inability to connect the dots as to his reason for turning his back on Jesus, speaks to a spiritual understanding that is miles wide and inches deep.
Mat 19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful
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We only believe His final
Words?
 
donadams said:
We only believe His final
Words?
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Being that Jesus's final Words to the young man were the greatest commandment of all, and on that command hang all the law and the prophets , as well as his salvation, so yes in my opinion if he had heeded Jesus final Word to obey the greatest commandment he would have been filled with joy & love for the presence of the Lord, not sorrow.
You can't follow Him if you don't love Him.

Mat 22:37-38
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.

Matt 19: 16 .............. come and follow me.
 
Consecrated Life said:
Being that Jesus's final Words to the young man were the greatest commandment of all, and on that command hang all the law and the prophets , as well as his salvation, so yes in my opinion if he had heeded Jesus final Word to obey the greatest commandment he would have been filled with joy & love for the presence of the Lord, not sorrow.
You can't follow Him if you don't love Him.

Mat 22:37-38
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.

Matt 19: 16 .............. come and follow me.
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Your concept excludes love of God and Christ!

Faith alone

No Love involved

You think your justified but actually not

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema
 
donadams said:
Please visit the Catholic forum

Our salvation is in Mary!

Thks
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No sir. I will and I have visited the actual and Literal Word of God found in the Bible.

We have had a circular conversation before and I will not do that anymore with you.

I believe what the Bible says and YOU believe what the Pope says....end of story.

There is only one priest among men who can can go to God in his own right and intercede for us, who himself does not need an intercessor. That man is Jesus Christ. That’s one reason why he said, "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one can come to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).
 
donadams said:
Only if He is Lord God does it make sense
is an unborn baby anointed as messiah?

Thks
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Christian doctrine 101.

Jesus Christ is God’s anointed Messiah. The word Messiah means “anointed one” and derives directly from the Hebrew word for “anointed.” Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, also meaning “anointed one.” Thus, Christ is the Greek equivalent to Messiah.

Jesus is the promised Messiah of the Old Testament—prophet, priest, and king. He was anointed by God’s Spirit to accomplish God’s work, which took place in His baptism in Mark 1:9-11 (also Matthew 3:16). And His anointing by the Spirit led Jesus to fulfill His offices of prophet, priest, and king in His life, death, and resurrection. Jesus is the son of David. But He is also the Lord of David. And that is because He is the Son of God who took on flesh in the person of Christ.

Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. “Why was our mediator called Christ?” asks the Westminster Larger Catechism. “Our mediator was called Christ, because he was anointed with the Holy Ghost above measure; and so set apart, and fully furnished with all authority and ability, to execute the offices of prophet, priest, and king of his church, in the estate both of his humiliation and exaltation” (WLC 42; cf. WCF 8.1, 3)
 
Rodger said:
No sir. I will and I have visited the actual and Literal Word of God found in the Bible.

We have had a circular conversation before and I will not do that anymore with you.

I believe what the Bible says and YOU believe what the Pope says....end of story.

There is only one priest among men who can can go to God in his own right and intercede for us, who himself does not need an intercessor. That man is Jesus Christ. That’s one reason why he said, "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one can come to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).
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You believe faith alone?
 
Rodger said:
Christian doctrine 101.

Jesus Christ is God’s anointed Messiah. The word Messiah means “anointed one” and derives directly from the Hebrew word for “anointed.” Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, also meaning “anointed one.” Thus, Christ is the Greek equivalent to Messiah.

Jesus is the promised Messiah of the Old Testament—prophet, priest, and king. He was anointed by God’s Spirit to accomplish God’s work, which took place in His baptism in Mark 1:9-11 (also Matthew 3:16). And His anointing by the Spirit led Jesus to fulfill His offices of prophet, priest, and king in His life, death, and resurrection. Jesus is the son of David. But He is also the Lord of David. And that is because He is the Son of God who took on flesh in the person of Christ.

Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. “Why was our mediator called Christ?” asks the Westminster Larger Catechism. “Our mediator was called Christ, because he was anointed with the Holy Ghost above measure; and so set apart, and fully furnished with all authority and ability, to execute the offices of prophet, priest, and king of his church, in the estate both of his humiliation and exaltation” (WLC 42; cf. WCF 8.1, 3)
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Yes but not till he is born and grows up
 
donadams said:
Yes but not till he is born and grows up
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Absolutely wrong my friend.

READ the Bible.
John 1:1-4......
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Jesus was God before His incarnation, at His birth and after His death. There was never a time when Jesus was not the Christ.

What that means is that when He was in the manger with a dirty diaper.....He held the stars of the universe in place!!!!!
 
donadams said:
You believe faith alone?
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Yes....because that is what the Bible teaches us.

Ephesians 2:8-9......
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Not sacraments, not baptism, not works, not purgatory,........WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY my friend?????
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Anything else you may say is nothing but what the Pope has told you to believe. READ THE BIBLE!
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Rodger said:
Absolutely wrong my friend.

READ the Bible.
John 1:1-4......
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Jesus was God before His incarnation, at His birth and after His death. There was never a time when Jesus was not the Christ.

What that means is that when He was in the manger with a dirty diaper.....He held the stars of the universe in place!!!!!
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Yes my point He is God not a mere man
 
Rodger said:
Yes....because that is what the Bible teaches us.

Ephesians 2:8-9......
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Not sacraments, not baptism, not works, not purgatory,........WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY my friend?????
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Anything else you may say is nothing but what the Pope has told you to believe. READ THE BIBLE!
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Eph 2:8 refers to redemption not salvation
 
Understanding mk 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

He who believes Christ and His doctrine of (((faith & baptism))) shall be saved! He who not believe Christ and His doctrine of ((( faith & baptism)) shall be damned!

Amen!

Does not say: if you believe anything you are not condemned! We must believe what Christ our teacher (heb 1-1-2) reveals and commanded the church to teach! Matt 28:19

“not sacraments not baptism “

Thats the doctrine of Wycliffe and Hus!
 
donadams said:
Eph 2:8 refers to redemption not salvation
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You are incorrect.

Ephesians 2:8....
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Where in that Scripture is the word REDEMPTION??????
Where in that Scripture is there a suggestion of REDEMPTION?????

LOOK at the Scripture. READ IT! It says "For by grace are ye SAVED through faith;".

Redemption is something “judicial.” It answers the legal claims of God’s righteous law, so that we who were sinners need not perish. It deals with all the negative problems that separated us from God—like our sins, and our sinful nature that caused us to do many wrong things.

Actually, “redemption” is just the beginning, the first part of our “salvation.” Redemption is what God accomplished for our offenses on the cross. When this accomplishment is applied to our offenses it becomes the forgiveness of our sins.

Salvation refers to a person’s being saved before God, which includes being forgiven of his sins, being spared from perdition, being regenerated, having the eternal life of God, and becoming a child of God by being BORN AGAIN.
 
donadams said:
Understanding mk 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

He who believes Christ and His doctrine of (((faith & baptism))) shall be saved! He who not believe Christ and His doctrine of ((( faith & baptism)) shall be damned!

Amen!

Does not say: if you believe anything you are not condemned! We must believe what Christ our teacher (heb 1-1-2) reveals and commanded the church to teach! Matt 28:19

“not sacraments not baptism “

Thats the doctrine of Wycliffe and Hus!
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From the 9th verse of Mark 16 to the end is NOT IN THE BEST MANUSCRIPTS. It is believed that they were added by a Scribe.

That being a fact, then allow me to say to you that A close look at Mark 16:16 reveals that it is not connecting baptism with salvation as the Catholic Church teaches you.

Rather, when we actually READ the Bible for ourselves, we see that the verse distinguishes between belief and salvation, and lack of belief and condemnation. The first half of the verse emphasizes belief as the means of salvation. The public expression of that belief is baptism.

The second half of the verse clearly notes "whoever does not believe will be condemned."

The contrast is clearly between belief and lack of belief, not between baptism and condemnation.

Further, the prior verse, teaches, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation." It does not teach to go into all the world and baptize the whole creation. The emphasis in the surrounding context is on preaching the gospel so others will believe in Jesus and receive salvation.

Please, read the Bible and do the study and do not rely on Catholic teachings all of the time when it come to correct Bible truth.

Again.......I am always blessed to help your understanding.
 
Rodger said:
You are incorrect.

Ephesians 2:8....
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Where in that Scripture is the word REDEMPTION??????
Where in that Scripture is there a suggestion of REDEMPTION?????

LOOK at the Scripture. READ IT! It says "For by grace are ye SAVED through faith;".

Redemption is something “judicial.” It answers the legal claims of God’s righteous law, so that we who were sinners need not perish. It deals with all the negative problems that separated us from God—like our sins, and our sinful nature that caused us to do many wrong things.

Actually, “redemption” is just the beginning, the first part of our “salvation.” Redemption is what God accomplished for our offenses on the cross. When this accomplishment is applied to our offenses it becomes the forgiveness of our sins.

Salvation refers to a person’s being saved before God, which includes being forgiven of his sins, being spared from perdition, being regenerated, having the eternal life of God, and becoming a child of God by being BORN AGAIN.
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Eph 2:1 & 2:5 quickend, Christ brought us to life in the redemption Jn 1:16-17 jn 10:10 Jn 14:6

Does it refer to your personal act of faith?

It says not of yourselves
Thks
 
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