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Matt 23:1-3 question

donadams said:
A workmen refers to an apostle not us
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Oh please!!! All those who are in Christ and He in them through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit have become the faithful servants of God.

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

1Cor 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Cor 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
 
donadams said:
So you don’t need scripture?
You don’t need apostles?
You don’t need to obey and submit to ms Christ sent?
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Where are you getting this from as I never said we do not need any of this. Quit putting words in others mouths that have not spoken these things you claim they did.
 
donadams said:
Did Christ have a kingdom?
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John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
 
donadams said:
1) if you have you must know what he commanded the apostles in Matt 28:19?
2) why did he command the apostles to teach all men?
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Because they were the first ones called by Jesus to take His word out into the world, as it is that same anointing from the Holy Spirit calling all those who have been Spiritually equipped to continue taking the Gospel out to all who will have ears to hear.
 
donadams said:
I looked
No list of scripture
No list of Ten Commandments
No list period
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This shows me that you did not look very hard or maybe not even at all. Look under DEEDS in that link and click on list of the 613 commandments and you will see that the ten are among them.
 
donadams said:
Water and the spirit
Baptismal regeneration period
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Why are you blindly repeating yourself here?

Your response is not even related to my post.

I'm trying to engage with your ides but you are blocking forward progress by going back to copy/paste responses.
 
Context?

According to context or subject matter there are only 9 commandments in Ex 20

First commandment:

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Second commandment:

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Third commandment:

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Fourth commandment:

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Fifth commandment:

13 Thou shalt not kill.

Sixth commandment:

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Seventh commandment:

15 Thou shalt not steal.

Eighth commandment:

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Ninth commandment:

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Context of Jn 3

“baptismal regeneration”!

Jn 2 water of purification are a type or prefigurement of baptismal regeneration
Jn 3:5 by water and the spirit
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river (water) and baptized!
Jn 4:1 disciples made by baptismal regeneration!

Jn 20 context is the resurrection not the sending of the apostles but verse 21 only?

Even one verse has more than one subject Much less one chapter
 
for_his_glory said:
What is your point with this as where did I ever say that Jesus is not the way, the truth and the life, or that Jesus is not the resurrection and the life?
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You said the context of a chapter changes the meaning of a verse!

What you really want to say is that the Bible in context is thoroughly Protestant!
Thanks
 
for_his_glory said:
Oh please!!! All those who are in Christ and He in them through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit have become the faithful servants of God.

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

1Cor 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Cor 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
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The “context” of 2 Tim 2 is an apostle!
Thanks
 
for_his_glory said:
Where are you getting this from as I never said we do not need any of this. Quit putting words in others mouths that have not spoken these things you claim they did.
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You said you have the anointing of the spirit?
Why need scripture?

Since you have the anointing what are the commandments referred to in Jn 28:20?
Thanks
 
for_his_glory said:
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
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It is not of this world but in this world

Scripture also says we are not of this world
Thanks
 
for_his_glory said:
Because they were the first ones called by Jesus to take His word out into the world, as it is that same anointing from the Holy Spirit calling all those who have been Spiritually equipped to continue taking the Gospel out to all who will have ears to hear.
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Do we still have apostles?
Do the nations still need to be taught and sanctified?
Disciples still need to be made by baptism?
Thanks
 
for_his_glory said:
This shows me that you did not look very hard or maybe not even at all. Look under DEEDS in that link and click on list of the 613 commandments and you will see that the ten are among them.
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Can you not copy and paste here ?
What’s the big deal?
 
for_his_glory said:
This shows me that you did not look very hard or maybe not even at all. Look under DEEDS in that link and click on list of the 613 commandments and you will see that the ten are among them.
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No list under “deeds”
No list of the ten
 
Paul Timothy said:
Why are you blindly repeating yourself here?

Your response is not even related to my post.

I'm trying to engage with your ides but you are blocking forward progress by going back to copy/paste responses.
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You say water refers to natural birth
But Jn 3:5 says by both water AND the spirit
Vs 22 they went to the river (water) and baptized
Thanks
 
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Paul Timothy said:
So there is no interpretation after the disciples?

And the passage is telling Timothy to be a workman. So not an Apostle.
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Timothy is an apostle the successor of paul

The apostles send more apostles till Christ returns Jn 20:21 acts 1:26
Thanks
 
donadams said:
Context?

According to context or subject matter there are only 9 commandments in Ex 20

First commandment:

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Second commandment:

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Third commandment:

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Fourth commandment:

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Fifth commandment:

13 Thou shalt not kill.

Sixth commandment:

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Seventh commandment:

15 Thou shalt not steal.

Eighth commandment:

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Ninth commandment:

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Context of Jn 3

“baptismal regeneration”!

Jn 2 water of purification are a type or prefigurement of baptismal regeneration
Jn 3:5 by water and the spirit
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river (water) and baptized!
Jn 4:1 disciples made by baptismal regeneration!

Jn 20 context is the resurrection not the sending of the apostles but verse 21 only?

Even one verse has more than one subject Much less one chapter
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Why bother giving you proof if you refuse to look and read what I gave you in that certain website that gives all 613 Levitical commands of God wherein the so called ten, not being separate, but a part of.

Those who were baptized by John the Baptist, as there were no baptism's in water before this, was for repentance or others words of John, preparing the way of the Lord, as the actual water was only symbolic of the washing away of sin. The Baptism of Christ is for receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

John the Baptist could not baptize in the name of Jesus Christ as He had not yet come to John's baptism, nor did anyone at the time of John receive the gift of the Holy Spirit when they were immersed in water. Look at what John the Baptist said to the Pharisees who thought they were without sin as they believed they were made righteous by their own righteousness (self), but yet hypocrites in the eyes of God.

Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mat 3:4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
Mat 3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
Mat 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
 
donadams said:
You say water refers to natural birth
But Jn 3:5 says by both water AND the spirit
Vs 22 they went to the river (water) and baptized
Thanks
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This is why I believe the word "water" in John 3:5 means word as in living word. I see nothing wrong with being immersed in water like John's water baptism, but I see it as only an outward appearance of an inward conversion through the Spiritual rebirth from above.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

John 1:1-14, read all the verses, but especially notice vs. 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. This is the Spiritual rebirth from above Jesus was teaching Nicodemus in John 3 and has nothing to do with literal water. The word made flesh in Christ brings salvation to all who hear the preaching of the Gospel. First comes hearing then confessing we are sinners needing God's grace through faith as we repent of our sins accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior. Once we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior them immediately comes the baptism Christ talked about being God's gift of the Holy Spirit as we are baptized into Christ as we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit as we are sealed unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30. Everything comes by the word of God and by His Holy Spirit, not by water.

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

John's baptism by immersion in water was only for repentance as an outward appearance to others as in, "prepare ye the way of the Lord make straight your path". It was in preparation for the coming of Christ in accepting Him as Lord and Savior. We are not made clean by being immersed in water, but only by the blood of the Lamb, Isaiah 1:18; Matthew 26:26-28; Romans 3:5; Hebrews 9:22; 1 John 1:7.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) 3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee. Since there is a comma before "but his disciples" this can be taken two different ways. Meaning Christ only water baptized His 12 disciples or the disciples baptized others in water which could be a possibility even before the commission in Matthew 28:19, 20, but can only be speculated. The original letters would not have had punctuation and we need to read without punctuation that can change the meaning of the original letters.

The baptism of Christ being that of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit could not be done until Jesus ascended up to heaven and then God sent down His Holy Spirit to indwell those by faith that confessed Jesus as Lord and Savior like the 120 in the upper room when according to Acts 1:3 Christ to whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

There are around 1526 instances of living water in the Bible and here are just a few: John 4:4-26; 7:37-39; 12:44-50; Ephesians 5:26; 1 John 5:5-8; Jeremiah 17:13; Zechariah 14:8, 9; Rev 21:6-8; Ezekiel 47:22
 
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