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Miracle Or Hoax?

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I think that the problem with these "miracles" is this. If anybody was performing true live miracles, the entire world, and I mean the entire world would be flocking toward these miracles. Deep down, the majority of people know that it is all a put-on.

The worst part about it all, is when people on these forums try to defend the possibility that these miracles could actually be taking place, but they don't make any urgent moves to travel toward these miracles. This is simply cognitive dissonance at its best.

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Soooo . . . what are you trying to say in response to my post? Please forgive me, but I am unable to connect your reply to my post that you replied to. :)

Meaning that, there were always two eyes watching Jesus heal..one with faith and one that is wondering why he is even "healing on sabbath" in the first place. John 5:9-11 And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked. Now that day was the Sabbath. 10 So the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to take up your bed.” 11 But he answered them, “The man who healed me, that man said to me, ‘Take up your bed, and walk.

The power we see to heal comes through faith in our hearts. If you lack faith, you will think everything is a hoax and a fake. God's goodness vs Man's goodness. For example, the man that questioned the crippled man's healing cannot feel the healing that the crippled man felt. Only the crippled man knows what really happened..thus the invisible God. If I told you my testimony about Jesus Christ, would that change you and convince you to take up your cross..or would you think I'm crazy and start cracking bart simpson jokes. I hope I explain that well, haha. It takes a wise man to see the goodness and healing of God.
 
I grew up seeing and hearing these types.... When reading scripture the miracle/healings were not made into theatric shows . They were to the Glory of the Lord.
 
I grew up seeing and hearing these types.... When reading scripture the miracle/healings were not made into theatric shows . They were to the Glory of the Lord.
:thumbsup
 
If you lack faith, you will think everything is a hoax and a fake. God's goodness vs Man's goodness. For example, the man that questioned the crippled man's healing cannot feel the healing that the crippled man felt. Only the crippled man knows what really happened..thus the invisible God. If I told you my testimony about Jesus Christ, would that change you and convince you to take up your cross..or would you think I'm crazy and start cracking bart simpson jokes.

No, he will call you a delusional liar as he did when I shared my testimony.
 
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


Seems these 2 passages show there should be balance....
 
I would guess by the fruit ....
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 
These are excellant scriptures, but how would one try these spirits? If he's a faker, he'll deny and say "truth!" and if it's real he'll say "truth!"

It's really not very inportant if the person in question admits he is a faker or not. You're right, how many would ever do that? There is a spiritual gift of discerning spirits as mentioned in 1 Cor 12:10 which Reba posted and those with that gift wouldn't need to rely on anything done or said by the person in question. But even for those of us who don't have this particular spiritual gift, we can still"try" the spirits as you would "try" a case in court by comparing what those spirits (or the people who claim to have those spirits in them) are doing and saying, compared to what scripture tells us. For example if scripture tells us something is supposed to be done a certain way, and a person claiming to be "spirit filled" does that thing in a way fundamentally different than instructed in scripture, we are not to follow him. If a person claims they have some new sort of spiritual power or knowledge which we are not told in scripture is from God and is contrary to scripture, we are not to believe him or follow him. And if a person does something that we are told we should not do in scripture, and claims it is God's Holy Spirit doing it through him, we are not to believe or follow him.
 
Mom was watching Benny Hinn ... I heard a couple things that popped my eyes open... B Hinn said "The Holy Spirit told me" It did not come to pass The death of Castro and Jesus was to be seen on stage with Hinn... There have been a few other whoppers.... His fruit is not so good IMO... Yet here is a scripture...

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God can use a donkey to His end.... He can use a person I wouldn't trust.
 
B. Hinn, is not my cup of tea.

I have a friend who thought the Lord said, it was right for us to curse our enemies. I gave her Matt 5:44 and asked why she was so sure she was right. She said that Hinn did it on stage, in Denver. He said, he cursed the pastors that were speaking out against him. I found it on youtube, sure enough. This has been a few years ago now. wow
 
I think that the problem with these "miracles" is this. If anybody was performing true live miracles, the entire world, and I mean the entire world would be flocking toward these miracles. Deep down, the majority of people know that it is all a put-on.

No, The World is not going to take notice. In Jesus time it was not the Miracles, it was about Jesus being who He said he was. Now we know who Jesus is but we have a issue with the Miracles. Even my son who I told them they would not find the cancer in a week, even after my Wife mentioned Kenneth Copeland, even after I explained to the doctors that despite what the reports said my son would be just fine. Absolutely no acknowledgment toward God.

Same Doctors said my son would not live through the night. Great Doctors, Chicago Children Memorial Hospital. My son had to be taken to the top experts, He was that bad. That next He was suppose to be dead they are running test all day long to try to determine what happened. Not one cancer cell in his blood stream, not one in his spine or bone marrow. I have the report at home.

"Unexpected Response to Chemotherapy and treatment."

That is what it says. Just one nurse that has worked in the children cancer Ward came to my wife and told her she had seen similar things when people told her they believe the things Hagin and Copeland taught. She said I knew by you and your husbands faith in God that your son would be OK. I have seen it before. Just ONE nurse.........

Our own Pastor told me that He did not want me to give the Testimony because it might give people false hope. A pentecostal Pastor!!! Then He says that many kids make it through cancer. WoW!!!

B-cell yes, My son did not have B-cell lymphoma. He had a rare form of T-cell that only took a week from running a temperature to his whole body shutting down and body full of cancer cells.

God has used me in some pretty amazing healing stuff. It's real!!! Things that you just step out in faith on, that's it. You believe in Jesus, you shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. I do wait on direction of course from the Holy Spirit before stepping out. I am not the healer.


The problem with Todd Bentley is that in his book he says he has been "demon possessed on at least two occasions.
I'd question anything coming from his ministry.

I don't know about "Possessed" but once I was going to witness to a Homosexual and told him we were going to deal with that Homosexual devil. Mind you I was wet behind the ears. I got extremely sick as soon as I sat down to talk with him. I ran to the bathroom and vomited white nasty smelling syrup like stuff. It was pure White and it just kept coming and buckets. I finally asked the Lord for help and the Lord said, "Tell it to leave your Stomach in my name." I did and was fine instantly.

The 2nd time my Brother (in Christ) was waiting on a ambulance. I went to praying in tongues to get wisdom and a stupid devil cut my nose. I still have the scare, but that would not be possessed. I would have to hear Todd Bentely's story but I have found when trying to help that at times devils do get anxious.

Mike.


Brother Hinn????????????????????????????????? If God used him to get one healed. Job well done I guess. I am not judging the brother.
 
I think that the problem with these "miracles" is this. If anybody was performing true live miracles, the entire world, and I mean the entire world would be flocking toward these miracles. Deep down, the majority of people know that it is all a put-on.

No, The World is not going to take notice.
Yes. In this day of communication, the world is getting extremely educated. The world knows that Benny Hinn is just another charlatan.





In Jesus time it was not the Miracles, it was about Jesus being who He said he was. Now we know who Jesus is but we have a issue with the Miracles.
Yes, because when the world around us is viewed properly, only the extremely gullible who have the need to believe are believing in these hoaxes.

Someone smart once asked, "Why is it when the more technology allows us to see, the less 'miracles' happen?", or something like that.

I found the question extremely intelligent.





God has used me in some pretty amazing healing stuff. It's real!!! Things that you just step out in faith on, that's it. You believe in Jesus, you shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. I do wait on direction of course from the Holy Spirit before stepping out.
You are very gullible. The charlatans prey on types like you.





I am not the healer.
No. But people like you keep the "healer" in business.


:toofunny
 
No. But people like you keep the "healer" in business.

I just gave you the testimony about my son, and it's smiley faces and funny to you?
I am happy that your son was okay.





How old are you?
Old enough to not be fooled. And you?







Just one nurse that has worked in the children cancer Ward came to my wife and told her she had seen similar things when people told her they believe the things Hagin and Copeland taught.


Hagin?



Not one actual healing is being performed in this video. His tongues are fake, just like all the other tongues you have ever seen or will see.


[video=youtube;Ge_0AWjaqrM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge_0AWjaqrM[/video]


Shame on those who teach little children that these fakers are actually channeling the power of the creator of the universe. Shame on those who poison children's brains with false hope. Not every child who is diagnosed with cancer will have such good fortune, no matter how much "faith" they have.








She said I knew by you and your husbands faith in God that your son would be OK.
There have been countless people with just as much faith(gullibility) who have ended up on the misfortunate side of a possible tragedy. What she said was nothing but nonsense. The non-gullible of this world know this.







Our own Pastor told me that He did not want me to give the Testimony because it might give people false hope. A pentecostal Pastor!!! Then He says that many kids make it through cancer. WoW!!!
This guy sounds a little too honest to be a true Pentecostal pastor. Maybe he felt guilty for taking your money and decided to feed you a little morsel of truth for a change.
 
No. But people like you keep the "healer" in business.

I just gave you the testimony about my son, and it's smiley faces and funny to you? How old are you?

Mike.

Well, I don't think your testimony is a hoax, Mike. I think by God's grace, through your faith, you stood on the Word of God, and you received what the Lord had for you and your family.
Your son's life is a Miracle. Don't think it cost you a dime either. :)

When Delia Knox walked for the first time in 23 yrs. it was on the national news and the net. The world did take notice. Can we blame the world for skepticism, that God heals, when so many Christians don't believe either and we can't blame the Christians for their skepticism when there are so many fakes in it for the money, fame or both.
 
Yes. In this day of communication, the world is getting extremely educated. The world knows that Benny Hinn is just another charlatan.


Benny Hinn IMO is a charlatan .... God is not ....
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

It is God who is the miracle 'worker' not us.. I have seen 'faith healings' in my family know they are real, If I could tell a story well I would write about Grandpa praying Grandma back to life about 87 years ago... no stage, no money involved, no glory for the man, just a mom for my mom .... That old saying comes to mind don't throw the baby out with the bath...
 
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