Murder In Which Degree?

[Hitch]

But in your first post, you said "outside of theonomy".

If what you're looking for is biblical, then ample posts have addressed this issue. Literal killing of people as well as root cause which is anger and hatred.

Do you have anything else in mind ?

The definition of murder is what I asked about.

Is it murder when the police shoot and kill a felon caught in the act of say, bank robbery?

Is it murder if you're driving and you cross the line and kill the driver of the oncoming car?

When if ever is accidental homicide murder?

On what do you base your conclusions?

 

[Hitch]

Love thy neighbour is not abomination to God, but following old covenant is an abomination. Do you know what that means?

Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:17-19


Yes I do . It means you grossly overstepped ;

Did you forget to read that I clearly mentioned 'New Covenant Christianity'? You can use old covenant but it's an abomination to God.

Let me explain in simple English: A two-way road is too crowded and the govt decided to make it one way to avoid traffic problems. Now, going on opposite direction is illegal as there is a new law in place. However, going in car on that road was never illegal in both old and new laws. But, you say, some one claiming to follow the rules of govt is shouting going in car is illegal. Did I say, loving one another is abomination?

Yup you sure did

In fact, the new covenant is based on it and that's the only commandment.

Wrong again but whos counting ?

However, following old covenant is illegal. There is a difference. Just like the two-way road explanation, the new covenant is only one way road - not about any external representations but everything is about inward thoughts.

This thread is concerned with defining murder, you are off topic . See felix very few murderers are concerned with New Covenant beliefs. Please keep to the topic or keep from the thread.

 

[Hitch]

Hitch, maybe compare Deut 19, Numbers 35 and Joshua 20?

They speak of Cities of Refuge and unintended murder giving several examples. I'm not sure if that's what you were getting at but maybe you'll find them helpful.

[EDIT by Sparrow] I found a link to an expository sermon entitled,

THE PLACE

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are you suggesting that the OT has defined murder in a manner that can be applied to modern society, at least in principal if not specifically?

 

[felix]

This thread is concerned with defining murder, you are off topic . See felix very few murderers are concerned with New Covenant beliefs. Please keep to the topic or keep from the thread.

This isn't off topic. Christ in His sermon on the mount clearly said, hatred towards his bother is murder explaining (actually quoting directly from the 10 commandments). John also said the same in New Covenant. So, the definition of murder is very well explained by Christ Himself which has to do with what we think inward and not how we act outward.

If you disagree with Christ, then you have other options to choose from other religions and cultures for e.g, killing a non-Muslim is not a murder in Islam, spending more than 600 billion USD with a massive army invading a country to kill 1 man called Osama with no justice is still not murder in US, cannibalism is not murder in many cultures before the 18th century. So, you have many choices to choose from but not necessarily it is the truth. Just like the politicians redefining the word 'marriage', not necessarily what they redefine is the truth.

If you are asking murder in which degree according to any country laws, then it is not a christian discussion.

 

[Jman96]

invading a country to kill 1 man called Osama with no justice is still not murder in US

To some people... Here you go again making accusations based off of few peoples or media beliefs.

I live in the US and know quite a few others that do see it as murder. Even though i strongly believe Osama had it coming wether it be from the US military, or anyone else. I still believe that it was murder and so do many other Americans. I strongly believe that some Americans handled the situation wrong. But because of what you hear from few or the media that does not mean all of America believes it is not murder.

 

[felix]

To some people... Here you go again making accusations based off of few peoples or media beliefs.

I live in the US and know quite a few others that do see it as murder. Even though i strongly believe Osama had it coming wether it be from the US military, or anyone else. I still believe that it was murder and so do many other Americans. I strongly believe that some Americans handled the situation wrong. But because of what you hear from few or the media that does not mean all of America believes it is not murder.

You see... It is not what you believe or a few good people believe. It is what the country and it's judicial system does because I just pointed out the country's actions. To be fair, let's say, some countries have death penalties for some crimes which are not considered murder.

 

[jasoncran]

loving thy neighbor is found in the old testament. this is why one must know what was going on the time of the lord walk on this earth and then state your opinion based on that.

jesus said nothing new that didnt come from the torah given by moses first. he corrected the pharisees where they went to far! loving and forgiving were always in the torah and still are.

god defines murder as such:

killing a man in cood blood either for lust, greed or in hate.

 

[Sparkey]

are you suggesting that the OT has defined murder in a manner that can be applied to modern society, at least in principal if not specifically?

No, just responding to your thread. Maybe you can use? I dunno.

 

[Hitch]

loving thy neighbor is found in the old testament. this is why one must know what was going on the time of the lord walk on this earth and then state your opinion based on that.

jesus said nothing new that didnt come from the torah given by moses first. he corrected the pharisees where they went to far! loving and forgiving were always in the torah and still are.

god defines murder as such:

killing a man in cood blood either for lust, greed or in hate.

Is it that simple jason ?

 

[Hitch]

No, just responding to your thread. Maybe you can use? I dunno.

Yup

 

[jasoncran]

Is it that simple jason ?

for the most part, if one is intoxicated and kills that doenst redifined murder just what type of murder.

that said. i want to adress that statement on osama. first off the geneva conventions allows any combantant not in uniform to be shot on the spot as they are assumed to be spies. next in a time of war we can detain all combantants that surrendor are injured and cease being a combantant. no trial for them or war crimes are charged. that is lawful. bin laden fits none of these categories , the closest would be enemy combatant. its not as simple as you think.a soldier on the battefield cant collect evidence as he is being shot at.this has been the way of the armerican services since the founding of this nation.