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Muslim really laugh at folks in the Western World

reba said:
The accusation you throw out at other members is a bit much... Tell me who here worships a book? List them post their names .. it get tiresome to deal with this style of i am so much better then you others day after day .. .
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Sorry, you know better than that. It would be against the terms of service for me to list the names of those who worship a Book. There are many who worship and defend the words of the scripture, and holds its words in a higher esteem than the very Spirit of Christ they say they follow. Deal with it!
 
ezrider said:
Have you ever read the Qur'an? Do you own a copy of the Qur'an? Mine sits right there on the bookshelf, right next to my 1611 KJV Bible.
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Yes, I do own an English translation of the Quran. And you have a 1611 KJV Bible. :shrug
 
ezrider said:
Sorry, you know better than that. It would be against the terms of service for me to list the names of those who worship a Book. There are many who worship and defend the words of the scripture, and holds its words in a higher esteem than the very Spirit of Christ they say they follow.
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So you know more then the ones God has given to pin the Scriptures ? my my
 
ezrider God had a number of guys pin the Scriptures , Moses , Paul, Matt, Mark, Luke John etc .. As admin around here be careful of your words to and about other members.. You nor I penned the Scriptures..

Do not reply to this post in this thread... if you wish to continue this please take it to TWITS
 
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ezrider said:
Why do I need you to provide you with a Bible verse? The original point from th1b.taylor was that the Qur'an had 164 references for a call to Jihad. I simply made the comparison for the command in the Bible to put someone to death for wearing the wrong type of cloth. How many other instances in the Bible did the scripture command someone to be stoned to death. I can not condemn passages from the Qur'an while excusing passages form the scriptures. I find it to be hypocritical, but I know: there is a tremendous urge to defend the scriptures. Just like those who use the words of the Qur'an to justify Jihad, so do Christians use the words of the Bible to justify their own form of godly righteousness.
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Spoken like a 'true' Christian......
 
Free said:
Because you said that is what the Bible says. Either the Bible says it or it does not.


Now to my point. There are certain laws within the Law where violations call for death. To get into it is beyond the scope of this thread, suffice to say that the Law was given to a certain people, for a certain time, for a certain purpose.

The same cannot be said for the commands in Quran to kill infidels. In fact, whereas the commands in the Law for punishment by death are quite early on in Judeo-Christian history, the commands in the Quran to kill infidels are in many places, even in the surah which was written close to the end of Muhammad's life, namely 9. There is no context in which many of these passages can be said to say something else, something other than to kill those who won't submit to Allah. These later verses on violence abrogate the earlier ones about peace, something that most westerners are likely ignorant about.
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Look, I am not here defending the Qur'an. Nor am I going to defend the words of the scriptures. But since this thread addressed the muslim ban from an administration set to expelled strangers and foreigners from the land and build a wall.

And since you are so anxious for a scripture to discuss. then I will give you this:


Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:33-34
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
 
th1b.taylor said:
If everything you said were true logic would dictate years of vetting before admitting a single one of them when one knows what both books teach because the Imams draw from both. Christ/God calls us to be wise. To be wise one must be logical and logic dictates that if a man belongs to a nation that is overrun with terrorists that Extreme Vetting ide called for and yet, you call for us to turn off our b rains and to plunge in and commit our lives to the very people that have declared war on us and attack from within, that is stupidity. And are you of the Nations or do you just like saying things like this to make us look stupid? You do have a poor rendition of a Chief for your avatar and I have never seen anyone from the nations speak such nonsense, before.
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Did you quote me by accident? If not, I have no idea what's going on!

ezra said:
so trump plan may not be perfect maybe it had flaws lack of thought on those coming back in. it is only a 90 day ban to help bring more security in place. there has to be something done would you agree with that? i had rather he try to improve something and it not be perfect .than not do nothing and security fail you think we didnt have chaos before? i think big problem is NO BODY LIKES CHANGE :eek2:amen
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Doing the wrong thing is much worse than doing nothing at all, since we're now doing a good job of alienating all our allies in the Middle East and playing right into ISIS's hands by portraying ourselves as an enemy of Islam. This will radicalize more people.

McCain and Graham released a joint statement on the issue that is spot on: http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public...cain-graham-on-executive-order-on-immigration
 
ezrider said:
Look, I am not here defending the Qur'an. Nor am I going to defend the words of the scriptures. But since this thread addressed the muslim ban from an administration set to expelled strangers and foreigners from the land and build a wall.

And since you are so anxious for a scripture to discuss. then I will give you this:


Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:33-34
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. i am through since your dead set on ot law
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2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
 
ezrider said:
Nope, comparing no verses at all. Just pointing out the fallacy of the argument concerning the Qur'an. Are you denying that the Bible commanded someone to be put to death for wearing the wrong type of cloth?
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Yes, I am denying it. Show us where Jesus, the one we follow, said to do that very thing.
 
ezrider said:
Look, I am not here defending the Qur'an. Nor am I going to defend the words of the scriptures. But since this thread addressed the muslim ban from an administration set to expelled strangers and foreigners from the land and build a wall.

And since you are so anxious for a scripture to discuss. then I will give you this:


Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:33-34
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
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Written to Israel, not us. And there's a matter of law here in the US. Federal law that for years has been ignored. The government has a responsibility of providing a coherent and responsible immigration policy and then to follow it. That hasn't happened here but hopefully it will now.
 
If you think Islam peaceful at its core, read this: https://www.amazon.com/Seeking-Allah-Finding-Jesus-Christianity/dp/0310515025 It's ten buck on Kindle and you can buy used. A great book that shows the inner struggle of a devoted Muslim learning the truth of Islam from its own authoritative books and scholars. He came from a peaceful and loving family. They are US citizens. Faithful practicing Muslims and they loved their faith. Nabeel loved his faith. But when he was challenged to look deeply into Islamic teaching, he saw it for what it truly was. At the risk of losing all that he loved, he left Islam and eventually became a Christian. The book will open your eyes. Islam is not a peaceful religion. That people who are Muslim are peaceful doesn't speak to the teachings of Islam and other authoritative books in Islam.
 
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