"Muslims, Christians, and Jesus" by Carl Medearis

[Navigator]

Sir,
The very popular verse with the Lost Man for you error he is Matt. 7:1 but there is a rule in Hermeneutics that is applied, first, by any serious Christian. This rule goes something like, not a quote, ¨No single scripture nor can any single portion of scripture be understood without the light of all other scripture shining on it.¨ From this there is much to learn. In this case it makes your, ¨shame on you,¨ completely out of place and incorrect.

Verses 1-6 of this passage form a paragraph in todays writing styles meaning that no less than all six verses are strung together to make a single thought. The context, and we must always grasp the context of anything we read, is that the follower of Jesus, the Christ must judge and that he or she must judge in the same manor they wish to be judged. You see, it is not our LORD you follow when you make this statement but rather the Devil.

I feel you must first know someone before you can judge them, especially when it comes to one's standing in their own faith. That's what I was getting at. And besides, I have seen the response from the poster whose post prompted the response you noted. It's done.

 

[jjjjj88888]

Uhm, there are huge differences between Islam and Christianity. I guess it really depends who you talk too and what you seek to know about it. You can't just say, "teach me about Islam," because you'll get two different answers. There is militant Islam such as Hezbollah or Hamas, and then there are the Muslims I know that don't agree with any of that and are peaceful.

 

[Navigator]

Uhm, there are huge differences between Islam and Christianity. I guess it really depends who you talk too and what you seek to know about it. You can't just say, "teach me about Islam," because you'll get two different answers. There is militant Islam such as Hezbollah or Hamas, and then there are the Muslims I know that don't agree with any of that and are peaceful.

Same goes with Christians, though. I agree with what you're saying though. I didn't mean to say that the two religions are similar now, but Islam's founder, Muhammad, gained his initial knowledge on monotheism from Christians and Jews on trade routes in the Middle East, and thus was likely influenced by Christian doctrines to some degree.

 

[Mike]

Uhm, there are huge differences between Islam and Christianity. I guess it really depends who you talk too and what you seek to know about it. You can't just say, "teach me about Islam," because you'll get two different answers. There is militant Islam such as Hezbollah or Hamas, and then there are the Muslims I know that don't agree with any of that and are peaceful.

What you say *might* be true, but it takes one story about a *peaceful* Muslim living in our community who is found to be involved in supporting violent Islam. I live about 30 minutes from a city with the highest population of middle-east people outside of the middle-east. I work in the city of Detroit which borders it. Dearborn, Michigan has had its share of *peaceful* Muslims who've been exposed and brought up on charges of terrorism or support of terrorists.

When you're so close to such a community, it makes it all that much harder to be objective, for me anyway. I see Afghanistan, which was once predominantly Christian, now in the hands of Muslims, and I see what is possible for other nations. I know some Muslims myself who give me every reason to believe they have very peaceful hearts. I would be shocked to learn otherwise of them, but that kind of thing happens.

I thank God that He is in control and that His Will will be done when He closes the book. My hope is in Him, not this world.

 

[jasoncran]

afghanistan christan ere the soviet invasion? they have a large shia population there as well. they have been under islamic since the caliphates.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I feel you must first know someone before you can judge them, especially when it comes to one's standing in their own faith. That's what I was getting at. And besides, I have seen the response from the poster whose post prompted the response you noted. It's done.

Biblical Christianity has nothing to do with what either one of us feels! Now, extra biblical facts, the Islamic faith requires Jihad and also requires Shiriah Law. At this point in time my most vivid recollection of Jihad is the Twin Towers (9/11) and of Shiriah Law is the crushing of a child´s right arm by driving a truck over it because he was starving and stole bread to eat! Add to that the ongoing internal investigations to discover the Mosks supporting the monsters that kill thousands of Americans and other Westerners every time they can and Islam becomes an active part of that monster!

They might try to take over the west? Have you looked at England lately?

 

[jasoncran]

Biblical Christianity has nothing to do with what either one of us feels! Now, extra biblical facts, the Islamic faith requires Jihad and also requires Shiriah Law. At this point in time my most vivid recollection of Jihad is the Twin Towers (9/11) and of Shiriah Law is the crushing of a child´s right arm by driving a truck over it because he was starving and stole bread to eat! Add to that the ongoing internal investigations to discover the Mosks supporting the monsters that kill thousands of Americans and other Westerners every time they can and Islam becomes an active part of that monster!

They might try to take over the west? Have you looked at England lately?

uh no, that video is faked.

and i never heard of that in afghanistan which did work under sharia law and still does.

 

[Mike]

afghanistan christan ere the soviet invasion? they have a large shia population there as well. they have been under islamic since the caliphates.

http://www.about-afghanistan.com/christianity-in-afghanistan.html

"Christian civilization played a major role in the social-religious development of the region for over a thousand years. Unfortunately, very little is known about Christianity’s existence in the region because of the destruction of the civilization by many conquerors as well as the lack of interest among scholars and researchers studying the region’s past."

That was then. This is now...

http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=23217

"A group of Afghan Christian refugees, who escaped to India to save their lives, describe the hardships they face in their homeland, where Muslim converts to Christianity are put to death. They call on the international community to put pressure on the Afghan government to spare those sentenced to death.

New Delhi (AsiaNews) – VijayKumar Singh, from the India Bible Publishers and the Delhi Bible Fellowship, has launched an appeal to the Christians of India and the world to pray and express their support for Afghan Muslim converts to Christianity who were convicted on conversion charges and sentenced to death on 31 May. Speaking to AsiaNews, Sing said, “We need Christians’ help all over the world to stop the Afghan government from arresting Dari-speaking Afghan Christians and condemning them to death by public execution.â€

 

[Navigator]

http://www.about-afghanistan.com/christianity-in-afghanistan.html

"Christian civilization played a major role in the social-religious development of the region for over a thousand years. Unfortunately, very little is known about Christianity’s existence in the region because of the destruction of the civilization by many conquerors as well as the lack of interest among scholars and researchers studying the region’s past."

That was then. This is now...

http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=23217

"A group of Afghan Christian refugees, who escaped to India to save their lives, describe the hardships they face in their homeland, where Muslim converts to Christianity are put to death. They call on the international community to put pressure on the Afghan government to spare those sentenced to death.

New Delhi (AsiaNews) – VijayKumar Singh, from the India Bible Publishers and the Delhi Bible Fellowship, has launched an appeal to the Christians of India and the world to pray and express their support for Afghan Muslim converts to Christianity who were convicted on conversion charges and sentenced to death on 31 May. Speaking to AsiaNews, Sing said, “We need Christians’ help all over the world to stop the Afghan government from arresting Dari-speaking Afghan Christians and condemning them to death by public execution.â€

Yeah unfortunately, that is a real possibility when looking at Islam. Converts out of the religion are often punished if they continue to live in their homeland and it's found out that they have converted. I've heard of Muslims who have come to accept Jesus to continue to keep the title Muslim, which DOES only mean "submissive to God" or "follower of God", rather than Christian.

 

[Mike]

Yeah unfortunately, that is a real possibility when looking at Islam. Converts out of the religion are often punished if they continue to live in their homeland and it's found out that they have converted. I've heard of Muslims who have come to accept Jesus to continue to keep the title Muslim, which DOES only mean "submissive to God" or "follower of God", rather than Christian.

Do you ever hear of the type of punishment for leaving the faith described in that article associated with biblical Christianity? I'm not asking this as though you are defending Islam. It's a rhetorical question. I've heard of isolated cults and JW's or Mormons pursuing ex-members or excommunicating them. Never Judaism, never Buddhism, never Hinduism, never any other major religion executing them. Only Islam. If it's not wide spread in Islam, it's more than a few here or there.

 

[jasoncran]

http://www.about-afghanistan.com/christianity-in-afghanistan.html

"Christian civilization played a major role in the social-religious development of the region for over a thousand years. Unfortunately, very little is known about Christianity’s existence in the region because of the destruction of the civilization by many conquerors as well as the lack of interest among scholars and researchers studying the region’s past."

That was then. This is now...

http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=23217

"A group of Afghan Christian refugees, who escaped to India to save their lives, describe the hardships they face in their homeland, where Muslim converts to Christianity are put to death. They call on the international community to put pressure on the Afghan government to spare those sentenced to death.

New Delhi (AsiaNews) – VijayKumar Singh, from the India Bible Publishers and the Delhi Bible Fellowship, has launched an appeal to the Christians of India and the world to pray and express their support for Afghan Muslim converts to Christianity who were convicted on conversion charges and sentenced to death on 31 May. Speaking to AsiaNews, Sing said, “We need Christians’ help all over the world to stop the Afghan government from arresting Dari-speaking Afghan Christians and condemning them to death by public execution.â€

that was ancient afghanistan and well modern afghanistan is a forced borders state by the russians to the north the iranians and the pakistanis during the 1917 era that is.

the current borders are the oxus river on the north the helmund river on the west and the mountianius regiions to the east and the south is the strings that mark the border that the brits used and the pakistians maintain.

the pashto tribe was split.

mike if you said ancient bactria i would have then agreed.

 

[Aardverk]

I understand your original point Navigator. Christianity has the Bible and Islam has the Quran and the Hadiths. Both have been interfered with, interpreted, chopped about and misinterpreted for centuries. There are not as many different Islamic sects as Christian ones but there certainly are MAJOR differences. The difference between the Taliban and most others is vast.

What we do have is some tens of thousands of Islamic extremists giving a bad name to the other 1.7 billion Muslims. Christianity went through the same problem and, in fairness it still has quite a few giving Christianity a bad name. Not all Christians are good, not all Muslims are bad.

Both the bible and the Quran have mixed messages of holy war, killing, stoning, flogging, etc and of love and peace. 'Jihad', by the way does not mean holy war, it means 'struggle' and can be used many ways. As always, it always comes down to interpretation. Let me give you one brief extract from the Quran which needs no interpretation.

"005.082. Y: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers [Muslims] wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant."​

'Devoted to learning and not arrogant' - I wish it were universally so. Personally, both Muslims and Christians often scare me.

 

[theLords]

Okay, everyone, let's get back on topic. This is the book forum, not the AP forum.

Thanks. :yes

 

[turnorburn]

Suffice it to say Muslims are Muslims and Christians are Christians and never the twain shall meet no man can serve two masters.

turnorburn

 

[Denique Coelum]

I would never call an effort to be nicer and accepting of a group of people the work of the devil.

I agree, the Muslim interpretation of God seems to be one more based on fear of what God will do to them if they are disloyal, rather than one that is of a loving God who forgives. I do know the basic story of Mohammed though. I know that he gained a lot of his monotheistic opinions from Jews and Christians in the Middle East.

While they don't believe Jesus was the Son of God, they do believe he was the most holy of the prophets and born of a virgin, which is what we also believe. Their reasoning for not believing in Jesus as the Son of God is that they think by that..it means God literally had sexual intercourse with a human in Mary, which would be unheard of. Of course, that's not the case at all, but granted, I'd say it's one of the things that Muslims tend to misunderstand about our religion as we are sometimes quick to misunderstand theirs...

Islam is astonishingly similar to Christianity. I noticed this myself when doing a bit of light research into the subject recently. This similarity is, however, the work of the Enemy who tries to create confusion through imitation, manufacturing convincing fakes of the true faith of Christianity which appeal to the flesh.

I've always had more of an understanding with Muslims than I have with secular society, mainly because they swing to the side of conservatism in terms of dress and behaviour, as opposed to the liberal hedonism of society in general. It's important to keep in mind, though, that the rigorous legalism of Islam appeals to the flesh just as much as the lawless liberality of the atheist or pagan. It appeals to my flesh, to a certain extent.

 

[Truthfrees]

Uhm, there are huge differences between Islam and Christianity. I guess it really depends who you talk too and what you seek to know about it. You can't just say, "teach me about Islam," because you'll get two different answers. There is militant Islam such as Hezbollah or Hamas, and then there are the Muslims I know that don't agree with any of that and are peaceful.

 

[Corn Pop]

In my "research" it's amazing how truly similar the two faiths (Islam and Christianity) truly are,

So your research shows how truly similar Islam an Chritianity are?.

I like evidence.

So if i tell a muslim Jesus is Lord and God we can then see how in harmony the two faiths are. If the research shows Islam an Christianity are so similar then our muslim friends will agree Jesus is God because the faiths are so similar correct?.

 

[Corn Pop]

I would be interested to know and if anyone can explain to me how islam and christianity are similar. They both believe in a God does not count.

 

[Vinny37]

I've recently become very interested in the Muslim faith. Not necessary because of a wish to convert or anything like that, but simply, there are 1.4 billion people in this world practicing this religion and I had no idea what the basic beliefs of it were. In my "research" it's amazing how truly similar the two faiths (Islam and Christianity) truly are, despite most of our society's stereotypical view of Muslims as terrorists. It truly is sad that this stereotype has been developed, but like my pastor said during his September 11th church service this past year; It's time for us Christians to "wage war with love" on the Muslims, not hate.

I recommend the book to anybody. Has anyone here read it by chance??

Never time to wage war on the Muslims, whether with hate or with love, but always time to wage friendly war on Islam for the sake of Muslims and others: the weapons of our warfare are not worldly weapons (2 Cor.10:4). Islam has truth, largely tapped from Christianity & Judaism, is theologically anachronistic, and has produced some good, as well as oppressive, community. I haven't read that book.