My latest understanding of who is going to heaven

[for_his_glory]

Well, I'll repeat again ...
Doesn't this fly in the face of Paul often addressing
believers as those who have been chosen and called?
Why would he says this, if everyone is chosen and called?

If the order was called and chosen, you could be right.
I need to check the order of most of these verses.

The order is many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

It's like not all of Israel is Israel.

 

[for_his_glory]

The "pastor of pastors" in San Diego said
this was referring to chosen for ministry!
Was he correct? ... I'm not sure.

What is a pastor of pastors? There is none greater than another as God is no respecter of persons.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

 

[ezra]

What is a pastor of pastors?

i dunno Jesus is he great shepherd those over seeing the flock is the under shepherd .obvious by reading many post i see lots of religious replies pure speculation

 

[Senior]

What is a pastor of pastors?

He leads, pastors, etc. other pastors (in his area).
We also have one in my current city who is retired after 44 yrs.

 

[Senior]

... by reading many post i see lots of religious replies pure speculation

Some deeper spiritual Truths are not obvious at all in Scripture.
Some of these need to be withheld from the babes in Christ.
They need to be revealed by the precious Holy Spirit to those
who can handle them, i.e. not be discouraged, etc. by them!

 

[ezra]

Some deeper spiritual Truths are not obvious at all in Scripture.
Some of these need to be withheld from the babes in Christ.
They need to be revealed by the precious Holy Spirit to those
who can handle them, i.e. not be discouraged, etc. by them!

easy there buddy if your reference is of me a babe in christ ..your sadly mistaken .so for all i have seen is opinions ..no meat very little milk

 

[for_his_glory]

He leads, pastors, etc. other pastors (in his area).
We also have one in my current city who is retired after 44 yrs.

Is it not God that calls one who is Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit placing them in His ministry and trains one to be a Pastor as per the gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians chapter 12? That's the way it was when I was called to be an Evangelist and in order to have my license I was required to have training first. A Pastor never retires as being a servant unto God.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

I remember a normally pretty mature knowledgeable Christian friend responding to a troubled young woman's question about babies lost to abortion and miscarriage. Her sister had just had a miscarriage. The woman, who is a Calvinist, said that since God chooses people from eternity past that some number of unborn go to heaven and the rest go to hell.
You take a theology like that to some of it's so-called logical ends and it ends up like that.
I have no problem rejecting that and scriptures taken as a whole refutes that.
You have to start with a premise, (Calvinism or a loss of salvation theology for instance), as the "given" and bend and choose scriptures to "prove" the given.

 

[JohnDB]

The word "Gospel" is Latin for "good news".

Good news about how man and God can be at peace and without conflict. (Blessed are the Peacemakers)

I'm wondering how this subject focus relates to this. Where is the good news in this theological focus?. Emmanuel is Hebrew for "God with us"...and this season is a celebration of life WITH God who knows our issues on a personal level.

Very few were rejected by Jesus and the reasons were obvious... very few accepted Him...but most everyone in Israel knew about Him.

At the end of the day...what does this matter?

When the more important concept to hold is that God opposses the proud but gives unmerited favor to the humble and contrite.

 

[ezra]

I'm wondering how this subject focus relates to this. Where is the good news in this theological focus?. Emmanuel is Hebrew for "God with us"...and this season is a celebration of life WITH God who knows our issues on a personal level.

imo we are becoming more theological correct ..much like the politically correct movement

 

[JohnDB]

imo we are becoming more theological correct ..much like the politically correct movement

So what exactly did Paul mean then when he wrote, "There is now NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus"?

Or when Paul said, "I don't even judge myself"

Are you trying to say that he meant something else other than the obvious?

 

[ezra]

So what exactly did Paul mean then when he wrote, "There is now NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus"?

Or when Paul said, "I don't even judge myself"

Are you trying to say that he meant something else other than the obvious?

your question you answer

I'm wondering how this subject focus relates to this. Where is the good news in this theological focus?. Emmanuel is Hebrew for "God with us"...and this season is a celebration of life WITH God who knows our issues on a personal level.

i have no idea what your trying to say ..you have taken a simple comment made from this remark. see being theologically correct means we can never be wrong . laymen s terms been there done that know that built that . i dont have a clue what your saying where did roman come into this? while paul may have said "I don't even judge myself" he also said we are to judge ourselves For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. the scripture speaks very plainly NO CONDEMNATION to those in Christ. if your in Christ and he is in you you have no none condemnation { judgment } imo you just took a twist if God is with us and Christ is in us .i fail to see your question FOR THE RECORD i only spoke of my self.. what are you trying to say ?

 

[billybalke]

What is a pastor of pastors? There is none greater than another as God is no respecter of persons.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Right on Glory---"pastor" relates to "shepherd" and who is the "chief shepherd?? Jesus, of course--I Pet.5:1-4.
TO BE DEEP IN SCRIPTURE IS TO CEASE BEING CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, JEW AND CALVINIST

 

[JohnDB]

your question you answer i have no idea what your trying to say ..you have taken a simple comment made from this remark. see being theologically correct means we can never be wrong . laymen s terms been there done that know that built that . i dont have a clue what your saying where did roman come into this? while paul may have said "I don't even judge myself" he also said we are to judge ourselves For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. the scripture speaks very plainly NO CONDEMNATION to those in Christ. if your in Christ and he is in you you have no none condemnation { judgment } imo you just took a twist if God is with us and Christ is in us .i fail to see your question FOR THE RECORD i only spoke of my self.. what are you trying to say ?

That I don't share in your opinion.
Christianity isn't becoming politically correct...it's the same as it's always been. And yes, there has always been an element of christianalese correctness...but I've never subscribed in my short lifespan and discovered many of the things that it covers. There are many others that don't either but you have yet to listen to them (as evidenced by the things that you have posted)

Sure there are "winds of doctrines" but they come and go just like the wind.

The very things that the Writing Apostles discussed are still going on today complete with new packaging and wrapping paper...but there's also a faithful contingent as well.

And I seek to urge people towards positive and encouraging discussions as always. Because even the "fringe element" of Christianity will behave better when we focus on the majors and unity instead of trying to find wolves.

 

[WIP]

I remember a normally pretty mature knowledgeable Christian friend responding to a troubled young woman's question about babies lost to abortion and miscarriage. Her sister had just had a miscarriage. The woman, who is a Calvinist, said that since God chooses people from eternity past that some number of unborn go to heaven and the rest go to hell.
You take a theology like that to some of it's so-called logical ends and it ends up like that.
I have no problem rejecting that and scriptures taken as a whole refutes that.
You have to start with a premise, (Calvinism or a loss of salvation theology for instance), as the "given" and bend and choose scriptures to "prove" the given.

As I see it, the view you present here creates another problem. It eliminates the need for repentance, belief, evangelism, and yes, even a Savior because if God predetermines who will or will not be saved, there's not point to any of this. Our fate has already been determined.

 

[ezrider]

Seems to me that many are missing the mark when their focus is on who is "going" to heaven. John the Baptist preached repentance because the kingdom of heaven was at hand. With Jesus the kingdom of heaven was among men. If the Spirit of Christ dwells within you, then the kingdom of heaven is with you. Is this not what Jesus declared?

Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[ezrider]

Sure there are "winds of doctrines" but they come and go just like the wind.

John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Senior]

The word "Gospel" is Latin for "good news".
Good news about how man and God can be at peace and without conflict. (Blessed are the Peacemakers)
I'm wondering how this subject focus relates to this. Where is the good news in this theological focus?

Acceptance of the Good News is only the beginning of
a believer's walk along the narrow path to eternal life.
Progressing from baby to maturity is necessary on this path.
For decades, the Lord God has been warning believers about
what is required of them to be acceptable to Him.

Eternal security is just another lie from the pits of hell.
Maybe the best proof of this: taking the mark of the beast!
Please see Revelation 13 and Revelation 14.

I highly recommend that you listen to one of His watchmen:

 

[GodsGrace]

Seems to me that many are missing the mark when their focus is on who is "going" to heaven. John the Baptist preached repentance because the kingdom of heaven was at hand. With Jesus the kingdom of heaven was among men. If the Spirit of Christ dwells within you, then the kingdom of heaven is with you. Is this not what Jesus declared?

Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I couldn't agree more with you EZ.
The spririt of Christ dwells within us but He also meant it to be shown to the outside world. He meant for us to cause a change in the world. This is why He gave so much instruction.

We seem to spend a lot of time talking about salvation, which is very important indeed!, and not too much time in how Jesus would have liked this Kingdom here on earth to be.

 

[GodsGrace]

The word "Gospel" is Latin for "good news".

Good news about how man and God can be at peace and without conflict. (Blessed are the Peacemakers)

I'm wondering how this subject focus relates to this. Where is the good news in this theological focus?. Emmanuel is Hebrew for "God with us"...and this season is a celebration of life WITH God who knows our issues on a personal level.

Very few were rejected by Jesus and the reasons were obvious... very few accepted Him...but most everyone in Israel knew about Him.

At the end of the day...what does this matter?

When the more important concept to hold is that God opposses the proud but gives unmerited favor to the humble and contrite.

Which theological focus? (is not focusing on the good news)
I just got here... sorry...