My nephew can make fire come down from heaven

[Shilohsfoal]

Was your nephew defending the faith of Jesus Christ?
Or was he attacking folks for their oil?

Did God tell him to kill people?
Or did generals and colonels tell him?

Scripture really doesn't say who told the Christians in Jerusalem to kill people. I know several people on this board believe those Christians kill for God or Jesus but I can't find where Jesus told Christians to kill anyone in the bible.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Shilo's motive is to make the "two witnesses" of the Rev. 11 end times look unGodly.

They do that all by themselves.Jesus never gave Christians the command to kill and torment people. Jesus commanded the exact opposite.

 

[ezrider]

Simply by saying the word fire just like the two witnesses can.

Revelation 11:5 - The Two Witnesses

If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.

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Does that make him good if he can kill people like these two Christians in Revelation can?

I need to point out that the title of your OP indicates he is calling fire down from heaven, as if he was like Elijah calling fire down from heaven upon his enemies. BUT, that is not what the two witnesses do. Rev 11:5 does NOT say they call fire down from heaven, it say that fire proceeds out of their MOUTH. Like a dragon in our mythology. In this case, the fire represents judgement.

Matthew 7:1-2
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Revelation 11:5
And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Luke 19:22
And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I need to point out that the title of your OP indicates he is calling fire down from heaven, as if he was like Elijah calling fire down from heaven upon his enemies. BUT, that is not what the two witnesses do. Rev 11:5 does NOT say they call fire down from heaven, it say that fire proceeds out of their MOUTH. Like a dragon in our mythology. In this case, the fire represents judgement.

Matthew 7:1-2
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Revelation 11:5
And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Luke 19:22
And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

Yes, my nephew oy needs to say the word fire to destroy his enemies. Just like the two witnesses do. Fire proceeds from thier mouths. Fire proceeds from my nephews mouth and it does the same thing.

 

[Edward]

Yes, my nephew oy needs to say the word fire to destroy his enemies. Just like the two witnesses do. Fire proceeds from thier mouths. Fire proceeds from my nephews mouth and it does the same thing.

You didn't answer me. Have. You. seen. Him. Do. It?

At first you said he calls down fire from Heaven, now you say it is from his mouth...Which is it? Have you seen him do this feat.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You didn't answer me. Have. You. seen. Him. Do. It?

At first you said he calls down fire from Heaven, now you say it is from his mouth...Which is it? Have you seen him do this feat.

No Edward. I did not go to the war. I'm also not in the military.
It works like this. Fire proceeds out of my nephews mouth. Then this happens. Then fire come down out of heaven to destroy his enemies. The same thing is taking place in Ukraine now.

 

[Edward]

No Edward. I did not go to the war. I'm also not in the military.
It works like this. Fire proceeds out of my nephews mouth. Then this happens. Then fire come down out of heaven to destroy his enemies. The same thing is taking place in Ukraine now.

Those are missles being fired. Or was that your nephew?

You know there's something familiar about you.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Those are missles being fired. Or was that your nephew?

You know there's something familiar about you.

It looks like fire to me.
Scripture shows these armed forces occupying Jerusalem for those 42 months.
What command do you suppose comes out of thier mouths?

Daniel 11:31 NIV: "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

Scripture calls them gentiles and says they tread Jerusalem under foot for those 42 months.

Revelation 11:2 NIV: But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

Revelation 11:3 NIV: And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."

 

[Hopeful]

Scripture really doesn't say who told the Christians in Jerusalem to kill people. I know several people on this board believe those Christians kill for God or Jesus but I can't find where Jesus told Christians to kill anyone in the bible.

Christians?
Where is it written that the witnesses are Christians?

As the sinners will be destroyed anyway, why is it any big deal when they die?

 

[Hopeful]

They do that all by themselves.Jesus never gave Christians the command to kill and torment people. Jesus commanded the exact opposite.

He sure did.
Why then do you accuse the killers of being Christians?

 

[Edward]

It looks like fire to me.
Scripture shows these armed forces occupying Jerusalem for those 42 months.
What command do you suppose comes out of thier mouths?

Daniel 11:31 NIV: "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

Scripture calls them gentiles and says they tread Jerusalem under foot for those 42 months.

Revelation 11:2 NIV: But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

Revelation 11:3 NIV: And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."

So your nephew shoots missles out of his mouth?
Or do you mean he gives a "Fire" command and an air strike rains down fire from the heavens? That might be construed to be calling fire down.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Christians?
Where is it written that the witnesses are Christians?

As the sinners will be destroyed anyway, why is it any big deal when they die?

Gentiles who call Jesus "Lord" are refers to as Christians today.
Scripture shows they are gentiles and scripture says their Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:2 - The Two Witnesses

But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.

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Revelation 11:8 - The Witnesses Killed and Raised

Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city--figuratively called Sodom and Egypt--where their Lord was also crucified.

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Like I've stated before though. They do the exact opposite of the commands Jesus gave in the gospel.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

So your nephew shoots missles out of his mouth?
Or do you mean he gives a "Fire" command and an air strike rains down fire from the heavens? That might be construed to be calling fire down.

Exactly.
The same practice which is carried out by the armed forces occupying Jerusalem for those 42 months.

Daniel 11:31 NIV: "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

And there are 1290 days from the day the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up by the armed forces of the north.
Alittle over the amount of days the two Christian witnesses occupy Jerusalem.

Daniel 12:11 - Michael's Deliverance and the End Times

And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days.

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Looks like the daily sacrifice is abolished 30 days prior to thier arrival and the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem on the day they ascend into heaven.

Now what would you want to bet that Israel's draft is abolished 30 days before these armed forces begin thier occupation?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

He sure did.
Why then do you accuse the killers of being Christians?

Because, scripture says their Lord died in that city.

Revelation 11:8 - The Witnesses Killed and Raised

Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city--figuratively called Sodom and Egypt--where their Lord was also crucified.

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But as you know, not everyone who calls Jesus Lord will enter his kingdom.

Matthew 7:21 - A Tree and its Fruit

Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

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In fact, these two witnesses are removed from Jesus's kingdom just prior to him receiving it. They are removed from the kingdom promised to Christ in this verse.

Revelation 11:12 NIV: Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

Just a couple verses later,
Christ inherits the kingdom promised to him soon after the two witnesses are removed from it.

Revelation 11:15 NIV: The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever."

They were removed before the seventh trump. The last trump. They were removed before the corruptible becomes incorruptible.

 

[Edward]

Christians?
Where is it written that the witnesses are Christians?

As the sinners will be destroyed anyway, why is it any big deal when they die?

It's in Revelation 11:3

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

[ezrider]

Yes, my nephew oy needs to say the word fire to destroy his enemies. Just like the two witnesses do. Fire proceeds from thier mouths. Fire proceeds from my nephews mouth and it does the same thing.

Yes, your nephew can speak the WORD fire from his mouth, but literal FIRE does not come forth from his mouth. Also, I would assume that your nephew is someone who follows someone else's order, or in the case of the US military, that order would have to come from the President as the Commander in Chief.

Is your nephew some renegade military grunt who needs to be reported to the proper authorities for launching military weapons against his enemies without the proper authorization?

As far as the two witnesses are concerned, if you can't even understand how your nephew follows orders; orders where a judgement has been made, then how should you ever understand the two witnesses?

Even Jesus said the following...

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 8:16-18
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.



Just a little friendly advise. Your crusade against the two witnesses has become excessive and it appears to be consuming your thoughts. It doesn't appear that you are taken all things into consideration, but rather have become fixated on what you want to judge as being evil, making yourself a judge of the law, and a judge over God's judgement.

I will agree with one of your sentiments, and that as followers of Jesus, He did not tell us to call fire down from heaven as did Elijah. In fact he rebuked his disciples for suggesting such, saying know you not what spirit you are of? (Luke 9:54-55)

The two witnesses are given the authority, you should accept it at that, and let it go for now. Take a breather. Think about something else for a while. Think about the sign of Jonah. As your nephew was most likely following orders, consider the prophet Jonah.

Jonah, as a prophet and witness of God, was given an order by God to go to Nineveh and warn them of their coming judgement and give them a chance to repent. But, Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh, he went and hid instead, hoping for the city to be burned with fire in judgement. When Jonah finally arrived in Nineveh and the people repented, God spared the city and the people. But Jonah didn't believe God, so he went and camped out upon a hill, waiting for Nineveh to be destroyed. You should go and read the last chapter of the book of Jonah and see what became of Jonah's end.

As Jesus said there shall be no sign given except the sign of Jonah the prophet, then consider for yourself how Jonah wanted for their judgement, but then didn't believe God when he had forgiven them.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes, your nephew can speak the WORD fire from his mouth, but literal FIRE does not come forth from his mouth. Also, I would assume that your nephew is someone who follows someone else's order, or in the case of the US military, that order would have to come from the President as the Commander in Chief.

Is your nephew some renegade military grunt who needs to be reported to the proper authorities for launching military weapons against his enemies without the proper authorization?

As far as the two witnesses are concerned, if you can't even understand how your nephew follows orders; orders where a judgement has been made, then how should you ever understand the two witnesses?

Even Jesus said the following...

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 8:16-18
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.



Just a little friendly advise. Your crusade against the two witnesses has become excessive and it appears to be consuming your thoughts. It doesn't appear that you are taken all things into consideration, but rather have become fixated on what you want to judge as being evil, making yourself a judge of the law, and a judge over God's judgement.

I will agree with one of your sentiments, and that as followers of Jesus, He did not tell us to call fire down from heaven as did Elijah. In fact he rebuked his disciples for suggesting such, saying know you not what spirit you are of? (Luke 9:54-55)

The two witnesses are given the authority, you should accept it at that, and let it go for now. Take a breather. Think about something else for a while. Think about the sign of Jonah. As your nephew was most likely following orders, consider the prophet Jonah.

Jonah, as a prophet and witness of God, was given an order by God to go to Nineveh and warn them of their coming judgement and give them a chance to repent. But, Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh, he went and hid instead, hoping for the city to be burned with fire in judgement. When Jonah finally arrived in Nineveh and the people repented, God spared the city and the people. But Jonah didn't believe God, so he went and camped out upon a hill, waiting for Nineveh to be destroyed. You should go and read the last chapter of the book of Jonah and see what became of Jonah's end.

As Jesus said there shall be no sign given except the sign of Jonah the prophet, then consider for yourself how Jonah wanted for their judgement, but then didn't believe God when he had forgiven them.

As I've stated earlier, Pilate was given authority from above to kill whomever he wanted including Christ.
Just because the second beast is given authority to kill whomever they want doesn't make them good. It just means they can kill anyone they want. They can smite the earth with plagues as often as they will. During the final 42 months in Jerusalem this beast has the authority to reign over all israel. Everyone in Israel and Jerusalem will be given the mark of the beast. The only people who will not get it are the saints who are persecuted during those 42 months. The 2 witnesses are not persecuted. They are the ones doing the persecuting. They have the authority to persecute as much as they will.

Revelation 13:12 And this beast exercised all the authority of the first beast and caused the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed.

Revelation 13:13 - The Beast from the Earth

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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Revelation 13:14 Because of the signs it was given to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image to the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet had lived.

Revelation 13:15 - The Beast from the Earth

The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed.

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Revelation 13:16 And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

Revelation 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark--the name of the beast or the number of its name.

 

[jasonc]

I don't have a video of him doing it.
He's in the united States military and fought in Iraq.
They are very good at it. When he says the word fire, fire come down from heaven to destroy his enemies. It's amazing the pin point accuracy they have these days. It's like they are using GPS coordinates or something.

I expect the armed forces of the north, which occupy Jerusalem with the two Christians has the exact same procudures and technology

Lord directing cas or call for fire isn't what the two witnesses do .

And you don't say fire .

But it's not like I haven't called for fire.
C4 to b7
call for fire over
Target three bmp 2
12345678 ,80 degrees
Over

Roger copy .

Shot over
Shot out
Splash over
Splash out

C4 to b7
Up 3 rt 6 over
Roger up 3 rt 6 over
Shot over ,shot out
Splash over ,splash out .

That is reapeatee until fire for effect as the rounds hit close enough to 50 mm.
There is line for the types of rounds but that isn't used .

And the response is mission over .

The target is destroyed or filed the area .

 

[jasonc]

lol.
It's a common command.He's not the only one who can do it.

Appendix F - Fire Control

Direct fire with a crew served .

Not from heaven .

I was a gunner with these .
M249 ,ma,deuce ,mk 19.

Thousands ?

Two guys with a crew served system .unlimited ammo ?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Lord directing cas or call for fire isn't what the two witnesses do .

And you don't say fire .

But it's not like I haven't called for fire.
C4 to b7
call for fire over
Target three bmp 2
12345678 ,80 degrees
Over

Roger copy .

Shot over
Shot out
Splash over
Splash out

C4 to b7
Up 3 rt 6 over
Roger up 3 rt 6 over
Shot over ,shot out
Splash over ,splash out .

That is reapeatee until fire for effect as the rounds hit close enough to 50 mm.
There is line for the types of rounds but that isn't used .

And the response is mission over .

The target is destroyed or filed the area .

I've been reading about the beast attacking the armed forces stationed in Jerusalem. It really enrages the king of the north. It takes place at the time of he end.

Daniel 11:40 NIV: "At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them

Time to bring out the nukes.