Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

[Strangelove]

Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury - Exhibit #4

"I want the truth!"

Harlotry in the Prophets - The Jerusalem link


One of the most important issues in this discussion is the meaning of harlotry in prophetic literature. The woman in Rev 17 and 18 is depicted as “the great harlot … with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication” , “the mother of harlots” , and related images. Her fornications are the reason for her judgment (ch. 18). This theme cannot be overemphasized. In the Old Testament prophets, the imagery of a people or city committing adultery, or being labeled a harlot, is consistently a reference to covenant unfaithfulness.

A multitude of passages in various prophetic books use the harlotry theme to condemn Israel for her sin. In fact, of the many passages that illustrate this constant theme, the only two exceptions to Israel being the referent are two prophecies against Tyre and Nineveh, both of which had formerly been in covenant with Yahweh.

The point here is too consistent to be overlooked: one cannot commit adultery against God if one is not married to God. It is difficult to conceive of any city other than Jerusalem that would be described as the covenant-breaking harlot in Revelation, especially in light of the dozens of times she has been given this appellation already throughout the Old Testament. It would be highly unprecedented to expect another referent.

Over and over again in biblical prophecy, Israel is the harlot. This issue becomes all the more striking when we recognize that a great deal of the substance of Revelation comes from John’s reapplication of the contents of Ezekiel, a work which is consumed largely with the prediction of Jerusalem’s approaching destruction because of her great adultery, which is followed by a vision of the New Jerusalem. The connection is not insignificant.

Lastly, on this point, it is worth noting that the call for the harlot to be repaid “double according to her deeds” [18:6]) is used in the Old Testament only against God’s people, Israel. The Old Testament image of the doom of Babylon has been conflated with language from the prophetic tradition against Jerusalem. Moreover this is no anomaly—this is a common pattern throughout the entire section.

 

[Strangelove]

How to Kill Goyim and Influence People: Israeli Rabbis Defend Book's Shocking Religious Defense of Killing Non-Jews.

A rabbinical guidebook for killing non-Jews has sparked an uproar in Israel and exposed the power a bunch of genocidal theocrats wield over the government.

Link to Article

AlterNet / By Max Blumenthal August 30, 2010 ---- When I went into the Jewish religious book emporium, Pomeranz, in central Jerusalem to inquire about the availability of a book called Torat Ha'Melech, or the King's Torah, a commotion immediately ensued. "Are you sure you want it?" the owner, M. Pomeranz, asked me half-jokingly. "The Shabak [Israel's internal security service] is going to want a word with you if you do." As customers stopped browsing and began to stare in my direction, Pomeranz pointed to a security camera affixed to a wall. "See that?" he told me. "It goes straight to the Shabak!"

As soon as it was published late last year,Torat Ha'Melech sparked a national uproar. The controversy began when an Israeli tabloid panned the book's contents as "230 pages on the laws concerning the killing of non-Jews, a kind of guidebook for anyone who ponders the question of if and when it is permissible to take the life of a non-Jew." According to the book's author, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, "Non-Jews are "uncompassionate by nature" and should be killed in order to "curb their evil inclinations." "If we kill a gentile who has has violated one of the seven commandments…(NOAHIDE LAWS) there is nothing wrong with the murder," Shapira insisted. Citing Jewish law as his source (or at least a very selective interpretation of it) he declared: "There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults."

In January, Shapira was briefly detained by the Israeli police, while two leading rabbis who endorsed the book, Dov Lior and Yaakov Yosef, were summoned to interrogations by the Shabak. However, the rabbis refused to appear at the interrogations, essentially thumbing their noses at the state and its laws. And the government did nothing. The episode raised grave questions about the willingness of the Israeli government to confront the ferociously racist swathe of the country's rabbinate. "Something like this has never happened before, even though it seems as if everything possible has already happened," Israeli commentator Yossi Sarid remarked with astonishment. "Two rabbis [were] summoned to a police investigation, and announc[ed] that they will not go. Even settlers are kind enough to turn up."

In response to the rabbis' public rebuke of the state's legal system, the Israeli Attorney General and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu kept silent. Indeed, since the publication of Torat Ha'Melech, Netanyahu has strenuously avoided criticizing its contents or the author's leading supporters. Like so many prime ministers before him, he has been cowed into submission by Israel's religious nationalist community. But Netanyahu appears to be particularly impotent. His weakness stems from the fact that the religious nationalist right figures prominently in his governing coalition and comprises a substantial portion of his political base. For Netanyahu, a confrontation with the rabid rabbis could amount to political suicide, or could force him into an alliance with centrist forces who do not share his commitment to the settlement enterprise in the West Bank.


DocS Note::::

NORMAL JEWS AND ISREALIS ARE IN UPROAR ABOUT THIS. IT HORRIFIES THEM!

I'M NOT TARGETING THEM ITS THE RABBINICAL TALMUDIC ZIONIST LEADERSHIP!!!

THE SAME EVIL PEOPLE THAT CONTROL WESTERN GOVERNMENTS!

ITS THE LUBAVITCH JEWS!

 

[Strangelove]

The New World Order: Demonic Roots founded in the Talmud

(From - http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org)

Most of the world's great religions teach that their own way will prevail in the end. Muslims believe the whole world will someday accept their one God, Allah, and Mohammed as his prophet. Most Christians believe that in a coming "millennium" Christ will firmly yet benevolently rule a restored and enlightened world. Religious Jews also await their future triumph, promised by the Talmud. They keenly anticipate the messiah they believe will exalt the Jewish people and Hebraic monotheism to dominate the nations.

The Encyclopedia Judaica says hope in the coming Jewish messiah is intense, especially among Orthodox Jews in Israel: "Orthodoxy retains unimpaired the traditional doctrine Among Orthodox rabbis, there is no lack of speculation on the meaning of contemporary events in light of the messianic hope." ("Messiah," p. 1416)

In this ideal Jewish world, what happens to the rest of us? What is the status of Gentiles, especially Christians? The Babylonian Talmud, the highest ethical and religious guide for observant Jews, says Gentiles can join Judaism as proselytes today or in the future messianic kingdom, as long as they sincerely follow seven commandments. These "Noahide laws," says the Talmud, form the basic moral code God gave Adam; they prohibit idolatry, blasphemy, murder, theft, "illicit relations," eating meat with blood, and "failing to establish courts of justice."

Medieval Jewish authority Maimonides, whose work remains highly influential, wrote in his 12th century work the Mishneh Torah that Gentiles should be compelled by Jews to practice Noahide law. In a recent article for the Jewish Press, America's largest independent Jewish weekly, Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim says Gentiles can be improved just like Jews, but only through conversion.

"The Noachide laws," writes the rabbi, "are the bare essentials that entitle a human being to retain his right to life." Remember he is speaking of Gentiles as well as Jews and, yes, he said right to life. Ben-Chaim cites Isaiah's prophecy that someday Gentiles will flock to Jerusalem to "learn Torah." Jews must encourage this mass conversion, he says, by refusing to voice acceptance for other religions. "No, that deludes gentiles into believing we view their religions on par with Torah," the rabbi writes. "Judaism views all other religions as imposters, since no other religion was God-given Again, God said, "One Torahfor yourselves, and the convert." This means no other laws are acceptable, for any people."

In this rabbi's words we find contemporary mainstream affirmation, in one of American Jewry's biggest publications, that deviance from Noahide law cannot be morally tolerated by observant Jews. Ultimately, if things were as they should be, Gentiles should be forced to comply.

International Code of Justice

With increase of the power and influence of Judaism including its ultra-Orthodox branches, it is not surprising that Judaism recommends the seven Noahide precepts as international law. In a discussion with other religious leaders and President George Bush Sr., Rabbi Yakov Cohen said the road map to world peace is found in the seven Noahide Laws.

Worldwide Noahide observance was promoted by prominent Hasidic Rabbi Menachem Schneerson. The late rabbi was the seventh leader of the widespread Lubavitcher movement. Viewed as clannish and eccentric in dress, the Lubavitchers are nevertheless very powerful and well-funded, with enormous influence on the burgeoning ultra-Orthodox movement in Israel. Before his death in 1994, Schneerson was the reigning "temporary Messiah," or "Tzaddik," to a large segment of Kabalist ultra-orthodox Jewry. He said global observance of Noahide law would bring world peace and messianic redemption.

Schneerson and his movement are so powerful that they persuaded Bush Sr. to proclaim Education Day USA in which Schneerson is honored and Noahide law upheld as an exalted code of ethics to inspire and guide mankind. Schneerson trained thousands of rabbis to spread strict Jewish observance (centering around the "Zohar" or mystical/revolutionary Kabala) around the world.

"Influencing non-Jews to keep their mitzvos, the Seven Noahide Laws... will assist our task of making the world into a dwelling place for God, and help bring about the arrival of Messiah," <http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=493&Parent=88>Schneerson said in 1987. He said, "Every Jew has the obligation to ensure that all the peoples of the world observe the Seven Noahide Laws. The religious tolerance of today, and the trend towards greater freedom, gives us the unique opportunity to enhance widespread observance of these laws."

Michael Kress, in an article for the Noahide.org thinktank, approvingly describes a growing number of Noahide-observant ex-Christians who reject the gospels' account of Jesus and center their lives around the Seven Laws. In 1991, Yeshiva University's law school hosted a symposium of Noahide scholars. Their press release notes, "In previous generations, the precarious or outright hostile conditions in which world Jewry survived precluded any public discussion of the Code [presumably because host nations were not at all pleased to hear about Jewish plans for worldwide legal control].

"In our generation, however, discussion of the Code both in print and on the Internet has increased noticeably. The last two decades have witnessed a dramatic increase in the number of both rabbinical and academic writings as well as the new phenomenon of books and web pages written for a lay or popular readership." The press release says an unprecedented number of Gentiles want to live according to the Noahide laws and form an audience for scholarship about them.

Life in the Jewish Utopia

Would worldwide coerced observance of the Noahide laws create more religious freedom and tolerance? Not a chance. The first law is against idolatry, and what's idolatry? The Babylonian Talmud repeatedly says worship of the false prophet Jesus Christ is idolatry, a crime worthy of death. The Talmud also says Christ was a blasphemer, a violator of the second Noahide precept. This makes His worshippers, who claim He's the second member of a three-party Trinity, blasphemers also.

In his Noahide.org article, Michael Kress confirms that many observant Jews believe Christianity (with its "polytheist" belief in the Trinity) violates Noahide law. If Noahide law were globally enforced, Christians and all other "idolaters" would face extermination under this "peace-creating" universal code!

A visionary book, published in 1932 by Jewish Talmudic scholar Dr. Michael Higger, describes the brave new Jewish world. Higger says when a Jewish one-world ruler, messiah, comes, he will enforce Judaic monotheism. There will be no room for the "idolatrous." "Only those who are convinced of Israel's divine purpose in the world, will be welcome to join Israel in the upbuilding of an ideally spiritual life on earth. Israel, the ideal, righteous people, will thus become spiritually masters of the world" (p41)

Before the messianic era begins, "in general, the peoples of the world will be divided into two main groups, the Israelitic and the non-Israelitic. The former will be righteous; they will live according to the wishes of one, universal God. All the other peoples, on the other hand, will be known for their detestable practices, idolatry, and similar acts of wickedness. They will be destroyed and will disappear from earth before the ushering in of the ideal era." (p37) "Consequentlyidolatry and idol-worshippers, wicked people, unrighteous nations, will disappear from the earth." (p39) Goodbye, Christians.

The ravings of a fanatic? Solomon Schechter, founder of conservative Judaism, along with the council or "Kallah" of Texas Rabbis, did not think so. They gave the book official endorsement.


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[Strangelove]

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The Nations Must Suffer First

Higger provides extensive references from the Babylonian Talmud, describing enlightened monotheism under messiah. But the Talmud teaches such tranquility will be dearly bought; a time of Gentile anguish is necessary to displace Gentiles from their control of the nations and dominion of Jews. Such suffering will be so great, says the Talmud, that even "the Almighty Himself will bewail it." 3

The Zohar, or Kabbalah, rivals the authority of the Talmud for most deeply religious Jews. It teaches that, as the divine yet visible, practical manifestation of God's will in this world, it is Israel's job to "wage war" against Gentile control by any means possible. "Proper order" can only be restored by breaking down Gentile and Christian influence. 4

This explains how a devout Orthodox Jew and head of the Anti-Defamation League, Abe Foxman, can rationalize being a man of prayer and piety and yet energetically promote homosexuality and immorality among the "goyim." According to the Zohar's reasoning, causing "travail" among the Gentiles such as Communism, wars, financial panic, media corruption of society, breakup of families, abortion, pornography, and homosexuality is necessary to bring about a great good. 5 The Talmud and Zohar teach that this period of "birth pangs" among the Gentiles will eventually recede as humanity is ushered into a new age of Judaic enlightenment-in which belief in one true God and observance of His laws will prevail over the "confusion" of Christian "polytheism."

Judaizing Christianity

Even today, encouraged by Jewish leaders, Christianity is being heavily Judaized as Israel is slavishly venerated and Old Testament rituals and observances are increasingly practiced by evangelicals. Talmud-quoting Messianic Jews and false prophets such as Dr. John Hagee set the standard for millions of evangelicals, inviting them to transition toward Talmudic Judaism. (To Pray or Not to Pray ... in Jesus' Name) This is part of Jewish activism's strategy to take faith in Christ out of Christianity, ultimately replacing it with the seven Noahide laws.

Both Talmud and Zohar proclaim the Jewish people to be semi-divine and occupy a position even above angels. "He who smites an Israelite on the jaw is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence, for it is written, One who smiteth man ( i.e., an Israelite) attacketh the Holy One." (Sanhedrin 58b) Already, through ADL hate laws in countries like Canada and Britain, Judaism and rabbinic literature cannot be verbally "assaulted" through criticism. Such "anti-Semitism" is punished severely as a hate crime. ADL's U.S. State Department "Office of Global Anti-Semitism" defines "anti-Semitism" as "strong criticism of Israel's leaders." Suggesting a Jewish conspiracy or even repeating the New Testament allegation that the Jews had Christ crucified are among 14 offenses considered anti-Semitic.

These laws are precedents which can be joined with Noahide law and enforced from Jerusalem, to make it a capital offense in the new Jewish world order to "blaspheme" the "holy people" by criticism. Just this year, Knesset members tried to get Jewish Italian scholar Prof. Ariel Toaff indicted in Israel for his book that said there was truth to the 15th century "blood libel." Israel already has authority from Knesset to demand extradition from any nation of persons who "insult the memory of the Jewish dead" by questioning the accuracy of the six-million figure of Holocaust victims.

Hate laws, emerging worldwide, have one real purpose-to criminalize that religion which perpetually reminds and accuses Jews that their forefathers were guilty of deicide and that they share that guilt as long as they venerate those who had Christ crucified, the Pharisees, authors of the Talmud and Zohar.

Mortal Combat

Devout Jews have real reason to seek to outlaw Christianity as a form of idol-worship. Why? Because Christianity does threaten Judaism. It is fundamentally subversive and threatening to Jewish power and religious authority. It undermines the whole concept of "chosenness" or salvation through belonging to a particular race. That's part of why Christianity has been persecuted and resented by Jewish leaders since the beginning of the church age. That's what makes the unholy alliance between evangelicals and Israel such a strange state of affairs.

The Book of Acts describes how different from Judaism was the early Christian church. It relates how the Holy Spirit's first infilling caused a group of Christians to speak in the languages of their listeners-Africans, Arabs, Jews and Romans alike. In explanation, Peter quoted the prophet Joel: "In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Peter then preached an eloquent overview of the life and crucifixion of Christ, Who was raised from the dead for the salvation of every person &shy;Jew and Gentile-who would repent and trustfully obey Christ for life. When his listeners asked what they should do, Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our God will call." (Acts 2)

Christ's message was of radical inclusion, open arms so broad they crossed all boundaries of race, gender, and religion. His once tiny church grew faster than a pro-athlete on steroids as missionaries traveled the early world, preaching the good news that salvation was now possible (for everyone!) through simple faith and forsaking of sin. Few things could have been more threatening to the racism of the Pharisees, which depended on firm physical barriers between Jew and Gentile. By the gift of His Spirit and union of all believers into one church, Christ ended the need for dramatic physical separation from "unclean" non-Jews. He also ended any need for the Pharisees as an institution of guidance for the Jewish people. Because Christ rejected and excoriated them, the Pharisees masterminded His crucifixion.

Every individual, Jewish or not, must face the sobering question, "What will you say of Jesus, who is called Christ?" Was He the Jews' true Messiah, whose living Spirit can redeem our souls? Or should we look for peace to more government, to the solutions of Jewish rabbis administered from a global court in Jerusalem?


DocS Note:::

The multitude will go through the same thing that Christ went through.

It's called the "JUDAS CYCLE"

 

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This thread is running off the top of the anti-semitism cut and paste scale.

 

[Thranduil]

Well Doc, it's great to have a member who does his homework and presents his case with strong evidence, thank you.

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I'm quite certain your efforts to inform the brethren are so important that confusion, distortion, and sabotage are on the agenda against your efforts by the evil one, who's servants are easily spotted by their consistent effort to disrupt.

May the Lord Jesus Christ continue to bless you, and may your shield of faith deflect all efforts against you!

Carry on!

 

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Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man

 

[Strangelove]

Well Doc, it's great to have a member who does his homework and presents his case with strong evidence, thank you.

I'd appreciate it if you would indeed ignore smaller REGARDLESS of any statements he/she might make to incite you to respond.

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May the Lord Jesus Christ continue to bless you, and may your shield of faith deflect all efforts against you!

Carry on!

Thanks Buddy. Glad I'm getting through./////

Doc.

 

[chakham]

I read in the old testament the punishments Babylon and Jerusalem receive are addressed individually. Each very descriptive and though their actions may be similar, it would seem to imply punishment is meeted out to them individually. One a mother of harlots (Babylon) the other her daughter (Aholibah).

So how do you reconcile your assertion Jerusalem is the Mother of All Harlots. When in Ezekiel 23 she (Jerusalem) is described not as a mother of harlots but as one of two daughters.

Peace

 

[Strangelove]

I read in the old testament the punishments Babylon and Jerusalem receive are addressed individually. Each very descriptive and though their actions may be similar, it would seem to imply punishment is meeted out to them individually. One a mother of harlots (Babylon) the other her daughter (Aholibah).

So how do you reconcile your assertion Jerusalem is the Mother of All Harlots. When in Ezekiel 23 she (Jerusalem) is described not as a mother of harlots but as one of two daughters.

Peace

Hi chakham...Nice to meet you friend. Good question. My spontaneous answer/question would be:::

Can a Mother not also be a daughter and a sister at the same time?

 

[chakham]

It is true, a mother may also be a daughter, and a sister in the same life.

However if we thought all three harlots being spoken of here were one in the same. Wouldn't she also have the same name, be the same age and have the same manner about her?

We read of three harlots; Aholah, Aholibah and Babylon each represent a different tribal region and or geographical location. Aholah I contend is the northern kingdom of Israel, Aholibah the southern (Judah). Each are considered individually and receive different punishment. Even though both play the harlot the two sisters behave differently too, one is more wicked than the other. Furthermore we are told each are different ages Aholibah is the eldest of the two sisters. It seems to me we have two individual daughters each having the same mother.

I just do not see how we are speaking of one individual here.

I must admit that some of what you bring to the table is compelling. But, ummm... easy with how much you post as my attention span is limited. I am very interested in what you have to say.


Nice to meet you too

peace

 

[Strangelove]

It is true, a mother may also be a daughter, and a sister in the same life.

However if we thought all three harlots being spoken of here were one in the same. Wouldn't she also have the same name, be the same age and have the same manner about her?

You've lost me buddy. Who said all 3 harlots were one and the same? Ezekiel is talking about the original ancient Babylon....Samaria and Jerusalem no??

 

[chakham]

Sorry doc,

If I'm not mistaken you are claiming Jerusalem is the Mother of All Harlots correct?

If so, I mentioned that in Ezekiel 23 it describes Aholibah (Jerusalem) as a daughter not a mother.

Your response was, can't a mother also be a daughter? To which I said yes it is possible. However I went on trying to show that Aholibah had a sister and they both were like their mother.

She (Jerusalem) is more than once referred to as a daughter that is just like her mother. If Jerusalem then is as you say the Mother of All Harlots who then is this mother of hers she is always compared too?

Hope that made sense


Peace

 

[Free]

I am going to strongly suggest that our newer members read the TOS.

Personal attacks will stop now.

 

[jasoncran]

anti-semitic indeed. while its true that the jews will have some part with the rise of the anti-christ.
i should also remind all that the 144,000 are jews by blood line and are fulfilled jews.

 

[Vic C.]

While I agree with the basic premise of the OP (Jerusalem as the harlot has been a belief of mine for a while) I do agree with Free.

While posting in this particular forum and on this site in general, you will:

Act in a Christ-like manner.

Treat other with a sense of respect.

Not troll.

Not post silly pictures wasting space and time.

Keep font size to a respectable size.

Keep all quotes in order and be mindful of your BB tags.

If you can't abide by these simple acts of etiquette, this may not be the place for you.

totopic

 

[Sparkey]

chakham has asked:

Re: Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

If I'm not mistaken you are claiming Jerusalem is the Mother of All Harlots correct?

If so, I mentioned that in Ezekiel 23 it describes Aholibah (Jerusalem) as a daughter not a mother.

Hi chakham...Nice to meet you friend. Good question. My spontaneous answer/question would be:::

Can a Mother not also be a daughter and a sister at the same time?

My thought: No, Doc - The "Mother of ALL" can NOT be a daughter to herself. Please, let us try to keep words within their face values. Slaughtering words to make a point is not allowed, okay?

Also... another point that I'd like to interject from earlier (along the same lines):

Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury - Exhibit #4

"I want the truth!"

Harlotry in the Prophets - The Jerusalem link

The point here is too consistent to be overlooked: one cannot commit adultery against God if one is not married to God.

Ahhh... not all harlots are married to God, are they? That reasoning is flawed, isn't it? Harlotry and Adultery are not synonymous.

My interjection / objection: When you say, "The Great Whore is a Harlot - then try to say, "You can NOT be a harlot without being married" - it is simply not true. One can not commit adultery against God without first being espoused to Him, true. BUT that is not what you tried to say. Looks like you tried to prove that one can not be a harlot without being married. (Did I read you wrong?)

The reference then back to Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) is not a direct line link between Harlots and Adultery. It could therefore be that a city other than Jerusalem would qualify. Yerushalayim is comprised of two words (Yira and shalem). The first part Yira means 'to see' and the second word 'shalem' means 'peace'. In fact, the opposite of your intent is implied when we speak of harlotry and breaking marriage vows. Why is it that the Holy Spirit called Babylon Mystery Religion a Harlot and NOT 'The Great Adulteress'? Why is the physical reference made to Babylon and not Jerusalem? Your highly dramatic Lieutenant Junior Grade Daniel Kaffee (Cruise) vs. Colonel Nathan R. Jessep (Nickelson) "Exhibit #4" is now called into question. The Holy Spirit is also looking for a "few good men" - those who love the truth.

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A couple more thoughts occur to me, but please recall that I have previously stated my position - that I prefer to wait and let the mystery be revealed. We will know the difference between the two, will be clearly shown so no doubt can remain which is the false and which is the true by the Wisdom of Solomon. Simply stated, the one who cares not for the baby is the false religion. The one who says, "The baby belongs to her, not me," is the true church.

We do see several things in the vision that was given to John. I thought I had found a way to support your belief when I saw this in the book of Revelation.

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. - [Revelation 17:18 KJV]

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. - [Revelation 18:21 KJV]

And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. - [Revelation 18:24 KJV]

It is with difficulty that I might consider that Jerusalem, O, Jerusalem! - might be found no more at all. It would be with a combination of joy and relief that one would welcome Babylon's demise. I don't know how to equate Babylon and Jerusalem as you seem to do.

How can this be that Jerusalem, the City of David, might be found no more?
I then turn to the Gospel and listen to the lamentation of our Lord:

[Matthew 23:34-39 KJV] - [34] Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. [36] Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. [37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! [38] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [39] For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

I'm still listening. It does no harm for me to try to prove your statements to be correct. It's a difficult task though, I must say, but the flaw would be mine at present. I do not hold to any one particular view. It's okay - I'm patient to think about it well enough and trust God to reveal all things.

At best, so far, I have neither proven nor disproved what I understand to be your main premise. There does seem to be a link between those who are in Jerusalem and are (were) responsible for the blood of the servants of God (the Prophets) and Babylon, The Great Mystery Religion. Could it be that they are in cahoots?

~Sparrow

 

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Psalm 122:6
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

Zechariah 8:22
Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.

Isaiah 62:1
For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.

6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
7 And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

When God decides to LIFT UP His People, Israel, the receiving of them, in their lands and as a people shall be LIFE FROM THE DEAD.

Romans 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid:
18 Boast not against the branches.

God has COVENANT FULFILLMENT with ISRAEL that will not be deterred. They have and currently SUFFER BLINDNESS because of YOU, the GENTILES unto whom THE DOOR OF ISRAEL has opened to JOIN with their Lord and our Lord and God in Christ Jesus.

I pray for all people and I PRAY in particular for every Jew that GOD BLESS THEM totally and completely. God has NOT abandoned them. God has NOT forsaken them.

To call Jerusalem A HARLOT is an abomination.

There was ANTI-SPIRITUAL anti-Christ HARLOTRY in the PEOPLE that blinded them. Be not HIGH MINDED against them, but FEAR lest YOU FALL in the same way.

The enemies of ISRAEL were NOT those seen with EYES OF FLESH. Their ENEMIES were IN THEM as SATAN enters the hearts where THE WORD is sown just as Jesus taught us. It is SATAN that Gods Words arouse where those WORDS are planted.

There is YOUR ENEMY. There is the culprit. It is NOT your fellow man or JEWS or the cities in which JEWS live or GENTILES live.

Your enemies are no different than THEIRS. Yet FEW are enabled of God to SEE THEM because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned and REVEALED only by GODS WORDS delivered TO ISRAEL.

WHY do you think THE DEVILS fight against them so? THEY KNOW they will MEET THEIR ENDING when GOD ARISES upon them. THAT will be THEIR final call.

The city you play games with is NOT physical. It is the anti-Christ POWER that has RESISTED Gods Words in MANKIND since the DAY OF ADAM. They have CITIES and SYSTEMS that you DO NOT and CAN NOT see.

When anyone turns against Israel or their people, they turn against GOD.

It is SATAN that brings the ANTI-SEMITE spirits forth IN MAN. Those who fall prey are his PAWNS.

enjoy!

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[Strangelove]

Sorry doc,
If I'm not mistaken you are claiming Jerusalem is the Mother of All Harlots correct?

I'm claiming that Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots described in Revelation.

And by the way, its the PEOPLE who are the harlots not the actual City. God loves Jerusalem the City. It will always be special to Him. But the people fornicate.

If so, I mentioned that in Ezekiel 23 it describes Aholibah (Jerusalem) as a daughter not a mother.

Your response was, can't a mother also be a daughter? To which I said yes it is possible. However I went on trying to show that Aholibah had a sister and they both were like their mother.

She (Jerusalem) is more than once referred to as a daughter that is just like her mother. If Jerusalem then is as you say the Mother of All Harlots who then is this mother of hers she is always compared too?

Um....Babylon?

 

[Strangelove]

While I agree with the basic premise of the OP (Jerusalem as the harlot has been a belief of mine for a while) I do agree with Free.

While posting in this particular forum and on this site in general, you will:

Act in a Christ-like manner.

Treat other with a sense of respect.

Not troll.

Not post silly pictures wasting space and time.

Keep font size to a respectable size.

Keep all quotes in order and be mindful of your BB tags.

If you can't abide by these simple acts of etiquette, this may not be the place for you.

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Roger that loud and clear Vic.

Can I just say officially on the record though. I consider being called an anti-semite....a personal attack.

I was a Jew for 33 years of my life. No one knows anti-semitism more than me. I remember when Johnny Ashby used to wait for me outside school when I was 13 years old....every single day....and follow me home with his mates....and spit on my school blazer and call me "Yid" and "Jew Boy". And when I tried to run away he and his friends would chase me down and fight me. 4 against 1. One day I lost my rag and smashed them to bits. They didnt bother me after that. But I know real anti-semitic hatred...trust me.

I have stated many times in this thread that I have nothing against normal Jewish people. They are lost sheep who need to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ same like other lost religions.

My enemy (in a loving way) is the Talmudic Rabbinical Zionist leadership centered in Jerusalem and also their NWO beast system who blatantly want to kill non-Jews and in particular Christians.

I hope thats clear to everyone.

Doc.

P.s. Vic did you get my PM?