Bible Study New Creation 2

[Soul man]

Saving faith is of the Father, for He has given to every man a measure of faith so that when he hears the gospel he will have the ability to believe.
Then after the new birth, the believer grows in the Lord out of his own independence to the Christ-life. As this takes place, all of the personality traits of the Christ within begin to surface.
The act, on the believer’s part, that makes this possible is love.
The love of God working in and through the believer places more and more responsibility on the Christ within until finally everything that the believer does is Christ. The great asset of faith eventually is seen by the believer to be the faith of Christ.
This, of course, is almost an opposite to religion’s idea of faith.
This is because Satan, who operates religion, wants to keep the believer mentally separated from the Christ within.
There is no area where Satan accomplishes this more greatly than with faith.
The believer who is always seeking faith, always going to some faith building meeting, always trusting some “man of faith,” always believing that his faith is weak, is a tool for Satan’s work of separatism.
Not only does this place the believer in a vulnerable place to be defeated, but it denies him the rest which resides in knowing that the only life he has is Christ.
So many believers are trapped by an erroneous gospel that says we can be something or we can believe for something aside from the Christ within.
This is where the growth of the believer reaches Galatians 2:20.
Finally, when the believer sees that he is “crucified with Christ,” his independence killed out at Calvary, he is ready to enter into the sonship the Father intended by the birthing. He is ready to now say,
“The life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.”
What a glorious position to be in, no longer just depending upon self, no longer groping outside of one’s Christ-life for an answer, no longer going to and fro for help, but living by the “faith of the Son of God.”
It is a very natural thing now for the Christ within to do all the loving, the hoping, the working and, most of all, the believing.
It is not our faith now, nor has it ever been our faith. We, the “crucified with Christ,” have given our selves to Him to use as Himself, so as we have no life of our own, no faith of our own, but we have the total faith of the Son of God.

 

[Cygnus]

Saving faith is of the Father, for He has given to every man a measure of faith so that when he hears the gospel he will have the ability to believe.

Can you present us with several verses to support this line of theology?

 

[Soul man]

Can you present us with several verses to support this line of theology?

Romans 12:3,
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
2 Corinthians 10:15,
Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly.
Eph. 4:13,
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
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[th1b.taylor]

Saving faith is of the Father, for He has given to every man a measure of faith so that when he hears the gospel he will have the ability to believe.
Then after the new birth, the believer grows in the Lord out of his own independence to the Christ-life. As this takes place, all of the personality traits of the Christ within begin to surface.
The act, on the believer’s part, that makes this possible is love.
The love of God working in and through the believer places more and more responsibility on the Christ within until finally everything that the believer does is Christ. The great asset of faith eventually is seen by the believer to be the faith of Christ.
This, of course, is almost an opposite to religion’s idea of faith.
This is because Satan, who operates religion, wants to keep the believer mentally separated from the Christ within.
There is no area where Satan accomplishes this more greatly than with faith.
The believer who is always seeking faith, always going to some faith building meeting, always trusting some “man of faith,” always believing that his faith is weak, is a tool for Satan’s work of separatism.
Not only does this place the believer in a vulnerable place to be defeated, but it denies him the rest which resides in knowing that the only life he has is Christ.
So many believers are trapped by an erroneous gospel that says we can be something or we can believe for something aside from the Christ within.
This is where the growth of the believer reaches Galatians 2:20.
Finally, when the believer sees that he is “crucified with Christ,” his independence killed out at Calvary, he is ready to enter into the sonship the Father intended by the birthing. He is ready to now say,
“The life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.”
What a glorious position to be in, no longer just depending upon self, no longer groping outside of one’s Christ-life for an answer, no longer going to and fro for help, but living by the “faith of the Son of God.”
It is a very natural thing now for the Christ within to do all the loving, the hoping, the working and, most of all, the believing.
It is not our faith now, nor has it ever been our faith. We, the “crucified with Christ,” have given our selves to Him to use as Himself, so as we have no life of our own, no that faith of our own, but we have the total faith of the Son of God.

If I could I would that every person that walks through any Churches door would believe as we are commanded to,,, as a small child! I was forty-five when I answered the call on me, twemty-three plus years before. The trouble is the average person hears that small still voice and says that is a weird thought! And they go back to their sins and forget it.

The pertinent verse is 2Pet 3:8 where I learned that God calls all of us to salvation.

 

[for_his_glory]

Soul man, I want to know what you think makes us a new creation?

 

[Soul man]

If I could I would that every person that walks through any Churches door would believe as we are commanded to,,, as a small child! I was forty-five when I answered the call on me, twemty-three plus years before. The trouble is the average person hears that small still voice and says that is a weird thought! And they go back to their sins and forget it.

The pertinent verse is 2Pet 3:8 where I learned that God calls all of us to salvation.

Good word Taylor, I was young, maybe 6-7 I can't remember. What I do remember was sitting in church and this weird feeling in my chest.
The wooing of the HolySpirit I know now, but I had know Idea what it was. I would answer alter calls and threatened my cousin if he didn't go with me.
I may have been saved, God knows, what I know is I had no fruit until I was 29 years of age, when I answered another alter call.
That started my road to knowing God, fathers day 1987.
I can never forget, as you know we have shared our testimonies.
I loved God with all my heart, I tryed to get off track, I preached for money and other things I won't get into.
I was more miserable than when I was in the world.
I don't want to sound cynical as I write a thread, I try to keep things in perspective. I say a lot about religion because I have experienced the depth of what religion can do to a person.
So I do feel somewhat qualified to say what I say, mainly I mention it only in contrast to what I'm preaching now.
I have no desire to batter religion, understanding now how our Father use's all things.
we are preachers, ministers, we dont picket or protest, we have the word of reconciliation.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yes and when I use the information from the 1980's Barna Survey of the American Church facts I often receive a rebuke or twenty because the truth is ugly. But with Barna surveying only the Faithful consisting of about fifteen percent, more or less, of the Membership Rolls and slightly less than 2% confirming they believe the basic tenants of the Christian Faith in a double blind survey, I feel safe saying that less than one percent of the American Christian Church is saved and at the same time that saddens me, especially when I was called to take the podium, to look out at all those Religious People and to know that in a house of two hundred, my wife and I might be the only two saved persons in the room. It can be very distressing and people do not appreciate the concern when you want to cry for them and your voice cracks delivering God's Word to them.

 

[Soul man]

Soul man, I want to know what you think makes us a new creation?

1 Cor. 6:17,
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Col. 2:10,
Ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
2 Cor. 5:17,
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

To answer your question, 'Christ in you.
The two make up the new creation, Christ without you is no new creation.
You without Christ, is no new creation.
The two have become one "in spirit,"
dividing soul and spirit is absolutely imperative for the believers growth.
Without dividing of soul and spirit, there is very little growth.
We see it in the many doctrines of men.

 

[Soul man]

Yes and when I use the information from the 1980's Barna Survey of the American Church facts I often receive a rebuke or twenty because the truth is ugly. But with Barna surveying only the Faithful consisting of about fifteen percent, more or less, of the Membership Rolls and slightly less than 2% confirming they believe the basic tenants of the Christian Faith in a double blind survey, I feel safe saying that less than one percent of the American Christian Church is saved and at the same time that saddens me, especially when I was called to take the podium, to look out at all those Religious People and to know that in a house of two hundred, my wife and I might be the only two saved persons in the room. It can be very distressing and people do not appreciate the concern when you want to cry for them and your voice cracks delivering God's Word to them.

I feel your heart my brother, I'm burdened as well. I have a percentage of things as well I use when teaching.
As you know politics and religion can get ugly real quick.
But the burden is real, it's not something you work up. You don't pray for it, as a Christian you see things, experience goes along ways.
I used to wonder about the gifts, experience allows you to understand what others are thinking, how they operate, the mindset that drives them.
I don't know if it's a gift or just to much involvement.
When you have been there, its not really that hard to understand.

 

[for_his_glory]

1 Cor. 6:17,
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Col. 2:10,
Ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
2 Cor. 5:17,
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

To answer your question, 'Christ in you.
The two make up the new creation, Christ without you is no new creation.
You without Christ, is no new creation.
The two have become one "in spirit,"
dividing soul and spirit is absolutely imperative for the believers growth.
Without dividing of soul and spirit, there is very little growth.
We see it in the many doctrines of men.

TY, I just wanted to know you knew that. God bless

 

[th1b.taylor]

I feel your heart my brother, I'm burdened as well. I have a percentage of things as well I use when teaching.
As you know politics and religion can get ugly real quick.
But the burden is real, it's not something you work up. You don't pray for it, as a Christian you see things, experience goes along ways.
I used to wonder about the gifts, experience allows you to understand what others are thinking, how they operate, the mindset that drives them.
I don't know if it's a gift or just to much involvement.
When you have been there, its not really that hard to understand.

You are so right! When I joined the
Army, at seventeen, my stepfather, who swore he would not see me off stood beside the Bus as it left 3with his glasses and handkerchief wiping the tears from his eyes. and when I returned to 'Nam, he knew I wanted to die an honorable death and be finished with everything, because in WW II he had already been there and he remained drunk for three weeks after I left, I understood none of it... then but I do now that I am older. And when the Holy Spirit entered my Spiritual Heart there is nothing about the New Creation that is like unto the old man. I thought I understood love when I was a Lost Man but I understood nothing until I was indwelt.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes and when I use the information from the 1980's Barna Survey of the American Church facts I often receive a rebuke or twenty because the truth is ugly. But with Barna surveying only the Faithful consisting of about fifteen percent, more or less, of the Membership Rolls and slightly less than 2% confirming they believe the basic tenants of the Christian Faith in a double blind survey, I feel safe saying that less than one percent of the American Christian Church is saved and at the same time that saddens me, especially when I was called to take the podium, to look out at all those Religious People and to know that in a house of two hundred, my wife and I might be the only two saved persons in the room. It can be very distressing and people do not appreciate the concern when you want to cry for them and your voice cracks delivering God's Word to them.

I so agree with what you have said here and it is sad. When I use to teach in the prison ministry I would stand before these men and women and you could see those who were there that that just wanted out of their cells for an hour and then you really saw into the faces of those who truly had Christ within them and hungered for His word. I have actually walked through the doors of many churches to have the Holy Spirit unction me to walk right back out. Do we want to be the Church of Philadelphia or the church of Laodicea!!!

 

[th1b.taylor]

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I so agree with what you have said here and it is sad. When I use to teach in the prison ministry I would stand before these men and women and you could see those who were there that that just wanted out of their cells for an hour and then you really saw into the faces of those who truly had Christ within them and hungered for His word. I have actually walked through the doors of many churches to have the Holy Spirit unction me to walk right back out. Do we want to be the Church of Philadelphia or the church of Laodicea!!!

I was a part of the Glory Bound Prison Team before Gene Thomly passed over and it ended and you're right, when they come through the door, the inmates can be split into the two groups. They are, every one of them a sad people though

 

[Chopper]

Soul man. Your thread is a Chopper "Home Run" to be sure. I've been waiting for someone to post an inclusive theology on the absolute truthfulness of the faith of Jesus Christ which He gives to His Believers according to Galatians 2:20....

Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

I have noticed that those who do not stay with the KJV don't know of what you have written. Case in point, the popular ESV....Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

I can't tell you of the many times that I've posted this verse when writing about faith. Trying to get people away from "self faith" and onto Christ's faith Who is in us. But alas, no one seems to get it. So, I'm so blessed that you presented a very Scriptural teaching on this subject. BRAVO my friend, Bravo!!

 

[DavidC]

Saving faith is of the Father, for He has given to every man a measure of faith so that when he hears the gospel he will have the ability to believe.
Then after the new birth, the believer grows in the Lord out of his own independence to the Christ-life. As this takes place, all of the personality traits of the Christ within begin to surface.
The act, on the believer’s part, that makes this possible is love.
The love of God working in and through the believer places more and more responsibility on the Christ within until finally everything that the believer does is Christ. The great asset of faith eventually is seen by the believer to be the faith of Christ.
This, of course, is almost an opposite to religion’s idea of faith.
This is because Satan, who operates religion, wants to keep the believer mentally separated from the Christ within.
There is no area where Satan accomplishes this more greatly than with faith.
The believer who is always seeking faith, always going to some faith building meeting, always trusting some “man of faith,” always believing that his faith is weak, is a tool for Satan’s work of separatism.
Not only does this place the believer in a vulnerable place to be defeated, but it denies him the rest which resides in knowing that the only life he has is Christ.
So many believers are trapped by an erroneous gospel that says we can be something or we can believe for something aside from the Christ within.
This is where the growth of the believer reaches Galatians 2:20.
Finally, when the believer sees that he is “crucified with Christ,” his independence killed out at Calvary, he is ready to enter into the sonship the Father intended by the birthing. He is ready to now say,
“The life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.”
What a glorious position to be in, no longer just depending upon self, no longer groping outside of one’s Christ-life for an answer, no longer going to and fro for help, but living by the “faith of the Son of God.”
It is a very natural thing now for the Christ within to do all the loving, the hoping, the working and, most of all, the believing.
It is not our faith now, nor has it ever been our faith. We, the “crucified with Christ,” have given our selves to Him to use as Himself, so as we have no life of our own, no faith of our own, but we have the total faith of the Son of God.

I am not disagreeing with you, I just have a question.
If it is only His faith we have, why do some people seem faithless? If we have his faith, wouldn't we be healing, not sinning, telling this mountain to move here?

I am not saying we don't have his faith, God gives us the faith, but how do you reconcile Luke 17:5? Jeses is asked, how do we increase our faith?

Thank you.