[__ Science __ ] No birds are non-birds.

[Barbarian]

BTW, @Barbarian, if you can't figure out even one difference between brontosauruses and the ancestors of brontosauruses,

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Lots of those. Most notably, relative length of neck and distribution of mass along the spine.

what makes you think the ancestors of brontosauruses are not dinosaurs?

Because they have all the synomorphic characters of dinosaurs. Both are diapsids, for example.

 

[Barbarian]

No, I do not think fish are primates.

Nor do I. That one, he just made up.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

No, I do not think fish are primates.

So you do not think primates are fish, Milk-Drops? I thought you were a Darwinist.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

Nor do I.

So you do not think primates are fish, Barbarian? I thought you were a Darwinist.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

I asked Barbarian:

what makes you think the ancestors of brontosauruses are not dinosaurs?

Barbarian's response:

Because they have all the synomorphic characters of dinosaurs. Both are diapsids, for example.

So, according to you, Barbarian, that the ancestors of brontosauruses have things in common with dinosaurs makes you think the ancestors of brontosauruses are NOT dinosaurs??

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Barbarian asked me this question:

"Do you still shoplift? Yes or no?"

I answered him:

No. Do you?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>

Why won't you, yourself, answer, as I did, the very question you asked me, Barbarian?

 

[stovebolts]

Paul has gone from insults to lying about what other people say. How sad.

That's a pretty stiff accusation.

I will be away until Monday, but I don't want you too going at each other this weekend and I have a big mess to clean up when I get back.

Do me a favor, I don't have the time right now to look into this, but please provide me evidence that backs up your claim and giving people the benefit of the doubt (and not reading this thread), I want to give Paul the benefit of the doubt that he is being misunderstood.

Please create a new thread in the Talk With the Staff forum so we can further discuss.

Jeff
for_his_glory WIP

 

[Milk-Drops]

So you do not think primates are fish, Milk-Drops? I thought you were a Darwinist.

How do you define a Darwinist?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

How do you define a Darwinist?

I do not know what (if anything) you mean by your word, "define". Remember how, a while back, I had asked you this question:

What, according to you, is it to define something?

Milk-Drops: <NO ANSWER>

So, when you tell someone to "define what X is," what (if anything) are you asking them to do? What, according to you, is the nature of defining X?

Milk-Drops: <NO ANSWER>

Since you've not told me what (if anything) you mean by your word, "define," I have no idea what (if anything) you're asking me to say or do when you say to me, "How do you define __________?"

Do you just enjoy saying your word, "define," meaninglessly?

 

[for_his_glory]

I had asked Barbarian:


Yes or No?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER, STILL>

Here are your only, two possible answers to this Yes/No question, Barbarian:

• Affirmative answer: "Yes, I call fish 'primates'."
• Negative answer: "No, I do not call fish 'primates'."

Barbarian, thus far, you've neither affirmed that you call fish "primates," nor denied that you call fish "primates"; thus, you've thus far not answered this Yes/No question that I've asked you.

I had asked you:

Yes or No?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER, STILL>

Here are your only, two possible answers to this Yes/No question, Barbarian:

• Affirmative answer: "Yes, I call one-celled organisms 'primates'."
• Negative answer: "No, I do not call one-celled organisms 'primates'."

Barbarian, thus far, you've neither affirmed that you call one-celled organisms "primates," nor denied that you call fish "primates"; thus, you've thus far not answered this Yes/No question that I've asked you.



False. Which is why you cannot quote yourself answering it in the affirmative, nor answering it in the negative. Do you really not understand the nature of Yes/No questions, Barbarian?



Once again, no one asked you whether or not you call one-celled organisms "eukaryotes." Once again, you're merely "pointing out" your answer to a question no one asked you, and asserting falsely that you have therein answered the Yes/No question I've been asking you.



Careful, there, Barbarian, it looks like you're hinting at drifting back to your old practice of using ad hominem attacks against me, there. Obviously I am smart, so I make smart moves, such as denying the falsehood you're asserting here, that you gave me an answer to the Yes/No questions I've been asking you. Since it is the truth that you have not given me answers to the Yes/No questions I've been asking you, my affirmation of this truth is, indeed, obviously a very smart move.

I get that you don't like being asked Yes/No questions, and that you like to never answer them and yet turn around and say, falsely, that you answered them. But your "pointing out" that you have answered questions that I never asked you has never whitewashed, and never will whitewash, the fact that you have never answered the Yes/No questions I've been asking you.

I see a few post from Barbarian that he has answered your question, but you seem to either don't like his answer or you are so caught up in your questions to him that you can not recognize he has answered you quite a few times. I also see where he has asked you a question, but you have not directly answered.

I think you might need to step away for awhile and take a breather and reread all his postings to you concerning him answering your question. I really do not understand what the whole purpose of this thread is and I never come into this forum unless I see reports that need taken care of. You need to settle down and listen as you are misunderstanding what he has given you in answering your question feeling he has not answered you. I think you are overtalking him.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I do not know what (if anything) you mean by your word, "define". Remember how, a while back, I had asked you this question:



Milk-Drops: <NO ANSWER>



Milk-Drops: <NO ANSWER>

Since you've not told me what (if anything) you mean by your word, "define," I have no idea what (if anything) you're asking me to say or do when you say to me, "How do you define __________?"

Do you just enjoy saying your word, "define," meaninglessly?

I'm asking you to explain what you mean by a Darwinist.


I'm not trying to be mean, but do you by chance have autism? This is not an insult, but a serious question.

 

[Barbarian]

For anyone who cares...

All living things on Earth share a large number of genes. Our particular branch is most closely related to the Archaea, a group formerly classed as bacteria.
Protists are eukaryotes, with cell nucleii. We are also eukaryotes.
Metazoans are animals, we are also animals along with sponges, cnidarians, worms, fish, etc.
Chordates are animals with a notochord in their development. Tunicates, lampreys, fish and we are chordates.
Vertebrates are animals with a backbone. Fish, reptiles, amphibians, birds and mammals are chordates.
Amniotes are animals with eggs having an amniotic membrane. Reptiles, birds, and mammals are amniotes.
Dinosaurs are reptiles with feathers, high metabolic rate, pneumatized bones, flow-through respiratory system, and a four-chambered heart. Dinosaurs include sauropods, theropods and birds.