No-medicine churches, and beliefs

[Classik]

There are some christian churches (and faith) who don't take medicines. It is an abomination to take medicine or be in a hospital. I know what the bible says about faith. But, I think these people are doing the wrong thing.

I know of a woman who had all her children at home. She gave birth to all her children in her own house. She never visited a doctor. No after-birth medication for all her children:bigfrown This is quite scary.

Some of her children lived while some died.

I have a friend, he shares the same 'faith' thing. His entire family shares it. There was a time the mother was bitten by a snake. She did nothing about it - she just prayed. She is alive today. Thank God for that.

Something happened! A member of his family had a ghastly motor accident. The children became scared and wanted to take him to hospital (that was after some friends began to discourage the children from their 'faith' thing - so, they were kind of saying: 'should we take thier advice in this case?'). This member of the family refused to listen to the children's advice. To make it brief, the fellow died.

This my friend usually suffered terrible headache and would not take tablets. He always waited for the headache to go.

A member of my family successfully discouraged this my friend from this strange 'faith' thing. (Not that people shouldn't apply faith)

Today, he takes drugs - and he's happy he does

My question is, 'What's your opinion here?'

 

[Classik]

I don't think it is the no-medicine thing alone, they practise other 'faith' things also, I think. I apply faith too, but...

 

[Tina]

I wonder what are the occupations of these people who reject medicine for faith's sake. If they have this much faith in God's miracles, why need to work, might as well rest and relax whole day applying blind "faith" and let God miraculously drop money from heaven! Do they know that Luke in the Bible was a physician and one of Jesus' closest disciples? Do they know that many doctors and surgeons are devout born-again Christians? Yes, Jesus is our ultimate Healer and Physician, no doubt about that, but it is foolish to abandon man's God-given wisdom of extensive research and medicine that God can use for healing and restoration at the risk of cutting short and losing life. God may use any way to heal us including through doctors and medicine and we should be thankful for that...

 

[Classik]

I wonder what are the occupations of these people who reject medicine for faith's sake. If they have this much faith in God's miracles, why need to work, might as well rest and relax whole day applying blind "faith" and let God miraculously drop money from heaven! Do they know that Luke in the Bible was a physician and one of Jesus' closest disciples? Do they know that many doctors and surgeons are devout born-again Christians? Yes, Jesus is our ultimate Healer and Physician, no doubt about that, but it is foolish to abandon man's God-given wisdom of extensive research and medicine that God can use for healing and restoration at the risk of cutting short and losing life. God may use any way to heal us including through doctors and medicine and we should be thankful for that...

Absolutely awesome!

 

[Classik]

And most of these people are everywhere, not necessary in ' No-medicine faith churches'. Some refuse to study hard, and think The answers will come from above; some have stomach problems, and still want to fast forever etc

 

[Tina]

I am part of a church that places serious emphasis on faith healing but never at the expense of abandoning medicine. We have been nurtured to believe that doctors and medicine are all part of God's blessing but we should also always put God above them. Many members of my church and many of my neighbourhood doctors are Christians and even they would enourage us to look to God for healing even if we go to them for treatment. If the treatment and medications work, that's great, but if they don't work, then we just surrender to God and receive healing from Him. Some root causes of sicknesses and diseases are demonic in nature and that's when we have to seek help from the deliverance ministry. Whatever avenue God uses for healing, he will always show us the way. God may even use a Christian forum such as this, through which I have been blessed with total and complete healing of chronic sinus 2 years ago, prior to which, I was heavily on medication on a daily basis.

 

[Fedusenko]

Meds have their place. Trauma is a perfect place for meds. I break my leg, it hurts, I get pain killers. They straighten the bones, wrap me up and boot me out the door.

What I don't take meds for is being sick. Most (by most I mean the majority that I have had a use for) do nothing but mask the problem. Sinus and head ache meds do that. Obviously pain meds do too. There are many types of mental disorder meds that are rendered unnecessary if the person would change their eating and exercising habits. Also, so many of these meds have horrible side effects that happen in the short term and long term. I have even read that some of the sodas we drink strip the mylene sheath of our nerves. That is what MS is.

Meds do have their place in society, but you will not see me taking alergy meds or chemo. God has provided alternatives to those... or is it the other way around?

 

[Classik]

I am part of a church that places serious emphasis on faith healing but never at the expense of abandoning medicine. We have been nurtured to believe that doctors and medicine are all part of God's blessing but we should also always put God above them. Many members of my church and many of my neighbourhood doctors are Christians and even they would enourage us to look to God for healing even if we go to them for treatment. If the treatment and medications work, that's great, but if they don't work, then we just surrender to God and receive healing from Him. Some root causes of sicknesses and diseases are demonic in nature and that's when we have to seek help from the deliverance ministry. Whatever avenue God uses for healing, he will always show us the way. God may even use a Christian forum such as this, through which I have been blessed with total and complete healing of chronic sinus 2 years ago, prior to which, I was heavily on medication on a daily basis.

I love a church that trusts God - not that medication is offensive to God. Some of the memeber of my church, including my sister, have great faith in God. They take medicine.


But there are people who dwell in the 'other side of faith' - they apply faith and it works. Wow! I wish I have this level of faith. One of them is our prayer band leader. He doesn't place emphasis on medicine. I don't criticise him - it works for him. He is a man of faith indeed.

No wonder why Without faith -it is impossible to please God. (though some don't understand what faith is all about - and when it should be applied)

you can take that drug and believe God can heal you through it


(As for me I hate syringes and tablets)

 

[Aardverk]

I have never known what their 'justification' is for not using medicine etc. Let me make one up and see if it holds any water. Please bear in mind this is not my belief it is just for discussion.....

God made all these diseases etc to maim and kill people and performs various 'acts of God' (flood, famine, pestilence, earthquake, lightning etc) which kill or injure millions of apparently innocent men, women and children. Who are we, mankind, to try to counter God's work by undoing what He has done?​

Is that their argument?

 

[Classik]

I have never known what their 'justification' is for not using medicine etc. Let me make one up and see if it holds any water. Please bear in mind this is not my belief it is just for discussion.....

God made all these diseases etc to maim and kill people and performs various 'acts of God' (flood, famine, pestilence, earthquake, lightning etc) which kill or injure millions of apparently innocent men, women and children. Who are we, mankind, to try to counter God's work by undoing what He has done?​

Is that their argument?

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[Pebbles]

It's only an exaggeration of the aggressive anti-intellectualism anti-science present within most christians.

 

[Classik]

It's only an exaggeration of the aggressive anti-intellectualism anti-science present within most christians.

It seems to be. But, my friend is a computer scientist, the brother is a prospective engineer etc

The problem with most of these people, to me, is probably misunderstanding the scripture or misapplying faith.

 

[reba]

Pebbles do you care that you sound so very bigoted?

 

[Aardverk]

It's only an exaggeration of the aggressive anti-intellectualism anti-science present within most christians.

Talking of exaggeration..... that's a bit unfair Pebbles. My best friends are Christians and there is not a trace of aggression in them. Not all Christians are aggressive. The rest of your statement is reasonable though.

 

[Webb]

Folks, lets consider what the Bible teaches. Jesus said: "They that are whole have no need of a physician." Luke is called in the scripture "the beloved physician." Luke wrote one of the gospel accounts. Paul took Luke with him on much of his travels. Paul prescribed to Timothy "a little wine" for his stomach's sake. Looks like approval to me.

 

[Pebbles]

Talking of exaggeration..... that's a bit unfair Pebbles. My best friends are Christians and there is not a trace of aggression in them. Not all Christians are aggressive. The rest of your statement is reasonable though.

Correct I probably misphrased that it's only aggressive in the exgaggerated cases. It's in those forms you also get the accusations of atheism = nazism ect.

@Reba
I don't think so I only discribe what I see.

Look at your own science forum. Why so hostile to evolution? The same tired fallicies pop-up over and over again

As I've come to understand The reason is that biblical knowledge is fundimentally different from scientific knowledge.

When push comes to shove because a conflict in the two types of knowledge emerges, Christians will discard scientific knowledge and scientific concensus and understanding in favor of a biblical consensus, Hence why as I found out it's pointless to even try and correct the reoccuring fallicies in christian members understanding of evolution the sources they assimlating lies and misunderstandings about evolution from the outset and trying to compair them to biblical creation stories.

What's more as I found if I try to refer these pepole to peer reviewed literature whitch lack such errors the sources are accused of having a "anti-christian bias" or some additional faulty reasoning stops them from applying any meaning to what they just read. Ie "evolution must therefore only apply to microscopic entities and not to macroscopic entities." Whitch is also a massive fallacy because the principles in heritable material are the same.

It's merely an extention of this train of thought. Whereas your likley to inherently mistrust scientists because they propigate unbiblical notions of evolution, they are unlikley to like doctors because they feel medical intervention to be unbiblical.

There is no rhyme reason to it in much the same way their is no reason to your belifes it's just a matter of faith. Misplaced or otherwise.

 

[Drew]

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[Classik]

Whereas your likley to inherently mistrust scientists because they propigate unbiblical notions of evolution, they are unlikley to like doctors because they feel medical intervention to be unbiblical.

There is no rhyme reason to it in much the same way their is no reason to your belifes it's just a matter of faith. Misplaced or otherwise.

The once I've known are not any close to what you've described in this entire post (though I have not had close acquaintance with majority of the distant others) - they are people who believe they are on the 'other side of faith.'

Faith-has-taken-a-new-dimension-and-let's show-other-christians-how-to sorta...

Thanks for your input:D

 

[Hitch]

We have such a group here in town . There are lots of infants in their cemetery.




I think the adults should be locked up with out food or water and those faithful enough to survive 30 days should be released.

Sacrificing children in the name of Christ is a criminal as it is blasphemous.

 

[jasoncran]

well what i was going to say has been said already.