Noah - Unsure

[Claudya]

if the first chapters of genesis is a parable then satan, sin and so forth is just a story and we are meant to be evil by gods design.

If Jesus speaks about forgiveness in parables does that mean that forgiveness doesn't exist?

 

[chessman]

...although there are seashells on mountain tops...

Yes. In fact, there are even “mountains” that are seashells. It’s called limestone formations. You cannot just find some few seashells on top of mountains, some mountains are seashells.

And yes, there are even megatons on top of megatons of seashells on the bottoms of oceans.

There is also very likely microscopic life residue, yet to be found, on the Moon which came from Earth’s rocks that have been ejected from the Earth to wind up on the Moon by meteors impacting to Earth.

The point I was making is that there’s not really any Scriptures that says these fossils were placed on mountains (or the Moon) via the flood or that mountains/valleys/cannons were formed by the flood either. But there is at least one Scripture that teaches us mountains formed via part of God’s creation events (not His destruction event, Noah’s flood).

Prov 8: (ESV)
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above,
when he established the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him, like a master workman,
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the children of man.​

What a mighty God we serve, indeed. And to think, He cares about you and me, "delights" in us.

I certainly do believe that Noah and his family were the only humans to survive the flood just as the text says they were. And God causing all the animals that He commanded to enter the ark (which the text never says was a sample of two from each and every species on Earth) is no less of a miracle than the causing of the flood itself. Or for that matter, creating the Earth, Sky, Mountains, Oceans, Animals and finally his “delight”, Man.

I don’t think however that we, as Christian Bible defenders, are doing the text any favors or conviencing any non-Christians, by stating (or asserting or implying) that sea fossils were placed on top of the mountains via the flood. Frankly, I don't see God delighting in that type of assertion either. Though I'm sure He's quite patient and understanding when some do.

The much bigger miracle is the mountain itself even being there, and us gazing upon it, not a fossil or two or megatons of them being there.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Okay, let's look at this.

1. There are no scriptures saying that seashells on mountaintops come from the flood.
2. Your worldly knowledge tell us that seashells are everywhere (extra-biblical thought there, I don't see how that is spiritually convincing).
3. There is a passage that says God made mountains before the flood.
Yet this says nothing about what happens to mountains since then.
4. God does not delight in this thinking.
5. God puts up with us when we think this way.

Question:
Of all that you've said, what have you done to build up the body of Christ?

 

[chessman]

Question:
Of all that you've said, what have you done to build up the body of Christ?

Well, that’s a good question. The body is made up of all kinds of members. Some for one purpose, some for other purposes. The intention of my posts here was for the purpose of demonstrating just how inspired the Word of God is by its harmony with the knowledge we learn about the Earth (God’s creation) that we see and study. In that specific post, using how God’s Word says the Mountains were “shaped”. Which to me comports with what geologists say about mountains lifting up from the sea, assigning limits to the sea, in the process. Taking seashells along with it.

Maybe it will “build up” some body (member), maybe not. Obviously, it did not for you.

Question for you. When you said:

Of all that you've said, what have you done to build up the body of Christ?

did you mean that question to build this member up, or to tear this member down?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

allenwynne said: ↑
Of all that you've said, what have you done to build up the body of Christ?
did you mean that question to build this member up, or to tear this member down?

No, you don't strike me as someone that can be torn down by a little thing like this, nor would that ever be my intention.
But rather, I see your responses as casting doubt into something that can only build somebody up.
Your other comments about what God thinks is derogatory towards me and others that think like me.

 

[chessman]

Your other comments about what God thinks is derogatory towards me and others that think like me.

Well, I didn't mean that statement to be derogatory toward you or any posts here for that matter. I'm talking about the teaching of why sea fossils wind up on mountains, not you.

A member (Angel) posed a question that has caused confusion. “Noah = Unsure” and asked “I have kind of a hard time believing that Noah placed all animals in the world on his ship. Is the previous remark true or just what most are taught?”

Then you post that sea shells on the White Mountains shows Noah’s flood was global.

Then Claudya posts that sea shells on the White Mountains doesn’t show a global flood but rather a geological process put them there. To which you immediately post to Claudya:

Your statement is one of disbelief.

And you call me derogatory and accuse me of tearing down the body of Christ?

You’re right. Comments like that just roll off me like water off a duck’s back. But possibly to Claudya or Angel or to other’s watching this Thread, even some struggling with how Christians act toward each other, it “stinks to high heaven”. And I don’t mind saying so.

I see your responses as casting doubt into something that can only build somebody up.

I’m not casting doubt on what the Scriptures say; I’m casting doubt on sea fossils being placed on mountains in NH via Noah's flood. As was Claudya. Then you tore into Claudya and me for saying so. I’m sorry if you find that derogatory or offensive. But that's what you are doing here.

I fail to see how teaching that sea fossils are on top of mountains because of the flood is; 1) Biblical 2) “can only build somebody up”.

Now I do see how teaching that sort of thing, and if it’s not true, causes confusion that people have with the Noah flood. Just as the very topic/question of this OP asks, are people teaching false things or is that what the Bible says. Is Angel confused about what’s being taught or what the Text says?

And yes, I think God does not delight in comments such as the responses you gave Claudya and me. Which is why members are asked not to do that sort of thing.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Well, you certainly just told me off, didn't you?
I'm terribly sorry to have hurt your feelings, and I mean that.

I'll drop this until we meet again.
Luv ya chessman.

 

[jasoncran]

If Jesus speaks about forgiveness in parables does that mean that forgiveness doesn't exist?

the bible written to a culture by that same culture. jews today still use stories and NONE of them have names. they say a rabbi or a man or a lady. they know its a story.the problem for you to reconcile is when a baby who wasn't under the curse died from some disease and or murder and god never told them that was bad(evo psychology without evidence nor is able to observe implies that man got lucky and didn't kill himself out of existence and formed moral laws). yet the TORAH given by god to adam implied that he was told what to do.you wouldn't have a child and leave it to feed itself and educate itself. neither did God.

 

[kevinmaynard]

My opinions is that the story of Noah is allegorical in nature. Not a literal scientific or historical story. That just makes the most logical sense to me.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My opinions is that the story of Noah is allegorical in nature. Not a literal scientific or historical story. That just makes the most logical sense to me.

Matthew 24:36-39;

Jesus tells us how it will be in the end, just as it was in the days of Noah.

Are you saying you don't believe Jesus is telling the truth?

 

[Tristan]

Matthew 24:36-39;

Jesus tells us how it will be in the end, just as it was in the days of Noah.

Are you saying you don't believe Jesus is telling the truth?

Does everything need to be literal in order to speak truth about God or the world?

To say it will be as in the days of Noah...well we know what it was like in the story, so I don't see it as being a stretch that there can be a comparison between the state of society in the story, and the state of society in the last days.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I just believe the Bible.
I don't try to make it fit my own thinking

 

[Tristan]

Which is within your right...but we are not unbelievers who see literary context, metaphor, and symbolism in the scriptures. It still speaks to the same God that we all worship.

 

[kevinmaynard]

Matthew 24:36-39;

Jesus tells us how it will be in the end, just as it was in the days of Noah.

Are you saying you don't believe Jesus is telling the truth?

He was referring to the allegory. Life now is much like the fictional work 1984 by George Orwell. That life is like the prediction doesn't make the fiction less allegorical or literal.

So you question is flawed.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If you don't believe Jesus, then you do you believe, yourself?

 

[kevinmaynard]

If you don't believe Jesus, then you do you believe, yourself?

Why do you speak for Jesus in the sense that you know he thought it was literal, and not allegorical? That is not scriptural. Your tone is a bit accusatory as well. I am sure you believe, but there are good reasons many have for not taking it as a literal historical account.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'll answer your question when you answer mine.

 

[kevinmaynard]

I'll answer your question when you answer mine.

Your tone doesn't seem to be one of actually being open to discussion. So I must politely decline.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You can't hear my tone.
This is the internet.
Maybe it's your tone you are hearing.

 

[kevinmaynard]

You can't hear my tone.
This is the internet.
Maybe it's your tone you are hearing.

Sure tone is discernible through text. Phraseology, and sentence structure reveal a great deal about the purpose of text. That is tone in a colloquial sense. Books have a tone.