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Noah Wasn't a Righteous Man
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Adullam
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Just another modern Christian who can't handle the biblical concept of righteousness. If the word declares that Noah is righteous tamim....no amount of pastoral twaddle promotion can change that! 
He should stop trying to fit his doctrine into the scriptures.<><
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Adullam
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John said:Adullam said:Hey John, being the poster, how do you feel about this man's message??
I thought it was pretty bulletproof
It kinda sounds reasonable until you realize that he is contradicting scripture 100%. Often the exact opposite of the truth sounds just like it.
For example, imagine you have black and white tiles on your kitchen floor. Now while you sleep, someone moves them around so that the black ones are now where the white ones were and vice versa. Would you notice the difference??? :o
Adullam
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John said:
Well, that Noah wasn't righteous. That he was no different from anyone else. There is a mind set beneath these statements. Short of going into a bible study, I will just say that it has been repeatedly prophesied that there would be a trend towards destroying righteousness in these later times.
Pax
John
Gen.6:8-9
8But Noah found gracein the eyes of the LORD.
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Heb.11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
2 Pt.2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
I can't see any proof for what the Mars Hill preacher was teaching.
8But Noah found gracein the eyes of the LORD.
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Heb.11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
2 Pt.2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
I can't see any proof for what the Mars Hill preacher was teaching.
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Where is it offered in the Bible that Noah was RIGHTEOUS and for this cause God chose HIM?
It states that NOah was a 'just man' and PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS. And for THIS cause was HE chosen. He was chosen for HIS BLOODLINE. This is utterly obvious when one is ABLE to come to the truth of 'PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS' is concerned.
but RIGHTEOUS? Only in his faith in following what was commanded of him. For we SEE clearly that AFTER this, he became a drunkard. A drunkard in RIGHTEOUSNESS? Not likely.
So what God wished to remain was the BLOODLINE of Adam and Eve. Pure and simple. And Noah, being a JUST man, was the ONLY ONE LEFT to USE for this purpose. That is what the Bible SAYS regardless of what many may wish to TEACH.
Blessings,
MEC
It states that NOah was a 'just man' and PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS. And for THIS cause was HE chosen. He was chosen for HIS BLOODLINE. This is utterly obvious when one is ABLE to come to the truth of 'PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS' is concerned.
but RIGHTEOUS? Only in his faith in following what was commanded of him. For we SEE clearly that AFTER this, he became a drunkard. A drunkard in RIGHTEOUSNESS? Not likely.
So what God wished to remain was the BLOODLINE of Adam and Eve. Pure and simple. And Noah, being a JUST man, was the ONLY ONE LEFT to USE for this purpose. That is what the Bible SAYS regardless of what many may wish to TEACH.
Blessings,
MEC
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Imagican said:
Just and righteous are the same in the bible. They are synonyms. The English versions "just" translates the same word differently...apparently at will. In the Hebrew it is written as "tsadik tamim"...which means very righteous. Tamim does not mean perfect but innocent of evil...like a child. So the opposite is true. Noah was a very righteous man. This is why God spares him. Remember how God wanted to spare Moses and eradicate the people in the wilderness?....same type of scenario. Go and re-read the Sodom and Gomorrha story once again...without the blinders on! ;)
Tsadik means righteous. Tsedakah or tsedek means righteousness as in Malchi-tsedek. This means "My king of righteousness."
Modern Christians understand very little of what righteousness is. They have been taught wrongly that there is no such thing as righteousness outside of Christ. Do I hear cringing????
Jesus didn't come to redefine righteousness, He came to show us a BETTER WAY. A higher Way...a holy Way. Since people have merely redefined what righteousness is, they don't experience Christ's righteousness in truth. Rather they fashion their own righteousness and call it Christian. :naughty But they must contradict scripture to do this....so they do!!!
Rather than trying to redefine common righteousness and make it Christian....why not seek the kingdom of God and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS! Too much work??? I think so.
I pray that God would grant wisdom and discernment to those who have believed the lie of our times.
Maran atha
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John
None is righteous - except by faith.
Noah, as many other men of God down through the ages, believed (and acted upon) what God said he was going to do. He knew God, he walked with God, he believed God and this was credited to him as righteousness. All other 'righteousness' is as filthy rags.
The fact that a man is subject to the flesh does not make him unrighteous for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Noah, as many other men of God down through the ages, believed (and acted upon) what God said he was going to do. He knew God, he walked with God, he believed God and this was credited to him as righteousness. All other 'righteousness' is as filthy rags.
The fact that a man is subject to the flesh does not make him unrighteous for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
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mutzrein said:
You may be confusing Noah with Abraham! OK you are not as far off as some, but you still struggle with the concept that a man can please God....without supernatural power! Was Abel filled with the Spirit when he made his offering? Was Zechariah filled with the Spirit when he doubted that Elizabeth was pregnant? Yet the Bible says he was righteous...
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Here the word "blameless" would be "tamim" in Hebrew. Just like Noah!!!!! Noah was also tsadik and tamim!
Spin doctors will try to put their righteousness into the future here....but look at WHY they were righteous. It was because of commandments and ordinances. I can just hear the cringing!!!
Let the de-programming begin!! ;)
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John
Adullam said:mutzrein said:
You may be confusing Noah with Abraham! OK you are not as far off as some, but you still struggle with the concept that a man can please God....without supernatural power! Was Abel filled with the Spirit when he made his offering? Was Zechariah filled with the Spirit when he doubted that Elizabeth was pregnant? Yet the Bible says he was righteous...
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Here the word "blameless" would be "tamim" in Hebrew. Just like Noah!!!!! Noah was also tsadik and tamim!
Spin doctors will try to put their righteousness into the future here....but look at WHY they were righteous. It was because of commandments and ordinances. I can just hear the cringing!!!
Let the de-programming begin!! ;)
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John
No, I'm not confusing Noah and Abraham. They were both righteous. This is not a righteousness attributed by man but by God. We (mere man) can never invalidate the faith of a man who is declared righteous in God's sight - no matter what we may read into their actions.
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mutzrein said:Adullam said:mutzrein said:
You may be confusing Noah with Abraham! OK you are not as far off as some, but you still struggle with the concept that a man can please God....without supernatural power! Was Abel filled with the Spirit when he made his offering? Was Zechariah filled with the Spirit when he doubted that Elizabeth was pregnant? Yet the Bible says he was righteous...
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Here the word "blameless" would be "tamim" in Hebrew. Just like Noah!!!!! Noah was also tsadik and tamim!
Spin doctors will try to put their righteousness into the future here....but look at WHY they were righteous. It was because of commandments and ordinances. I can just hear the cringing!!!
Let the de-programming begin!! ;)
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John
No, I'm not confusing Noah and Abraham. They were both righteous. This is not a righteousness attributed by man but by God. We (mere man) can never invalidate the faith of a man who is declared righteous in God's sight - no matter what we may read into their actions.
You miss the point! Man is disqualifying God's judgment. It is God who declares these men righteous. Most Christians have no idea why....they just nod their heads and go against God's judgments anyway. :yes