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Bible Study Noah's Generations

Now some various versions:

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New International Version (©1984)
This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.
New Living Translation (©2007)
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God.
English Standard Version (©2001)
These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
These are the family records of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among his contemporaries; Noah walked with God.
International Standard Version (©2012)
These are the family records of Noah: Noah was a righteous man. Blameless during his times, Noah communed with God.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
This is the account of Noah and his descendants. Noah had God's approval and was a man of integrity among the people of his time. He walked with God.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
American King James Version
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
American Standard Version
These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
These are the generations of Noe: Noe was a just and perfect man in his generations, he walked with God.
Darby Bible Translation
This is the history of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect amongst his generations: Noah walked with God.
English Revised Version
These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God.
Webster's Bible Translation
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man, and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
World English Bible
This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time. Noah walked with God.Young's Literal Translation
These are births of Noah: Noah is a righteous man; perfect he hath been among his generations; with God hath Noah walked habitually.


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The word generations is the one in question. As you can see without a doubt, the original text was plural. The plural is talking about the pureness of his DNA. Noah was pure human. Not only he was good and walked with God, his DNA had no corruption with the fallen angels. How would this happen? Look five verses back:

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

As you can see one letter, one plural instead of singular can make a HUGE difference in meaning. Now you can change the meaning to, he was the best guy around at the time.
 
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sons of god or bənê hāʼĕlōhîm.

Genesis 6:4
4 The Nephilim[b] were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Job 1:6
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[b] also came among them.

As you can see below, sons of god are sons of god, identical word. For the misled, these are angels.
 
"... Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

It might be the words "in his generations" put a limit as to how perfect he was. In other words some seem to think it means he was more perfect in his walk than others in his generation. Enough so that Noah found favor with God who from His throne in heaven saved Noah.

Now what do we have in Torah which may indicate what that walk was which caused God to look upon Noah with favor and save him?
 
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Kumi Ori said:
"... Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

It might be the words "in his generations" put a limit as to how perfect he was. In other words some seem to think it means he was more perfect in his walk than others in his generation. Enough so that Noah found favor with God who from His throne in heaven saved Noah.

Now what do we have in Torah which may indicate what that walk was which caused God to look upon Noah with favor and save him?
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What do we have? The denial of what the scripture means because you don't want to believe there was bad angels.

Jude 1:6

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New International Version (©1984)
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
New Living Translation (©2007)
And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.
English Standard Version (©2001)
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
and He has kept, with eternal chains in darkness for the judgment of the great day, the angels who did not keep their own position but deserted their proper dwelling.
International Standard Version (©2012)
He has also held in eternal chains those angels who did not keep their own position but abandoned their assigned place. They are held in deepest darkness for judgment on the great day.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And those Angels who kept not their Principality, but abandoned their own way of life, he has kept to the great Day of Judgment in unseen chains under darkness,
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He held angels for judgment on the great day. They were held in darkness, bound by eternal chains. These are the angels who didn't keep their position of authority but abandoned their assigned place.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And the angels who kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
American King James Version
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness to the judgment of the great day.
American Standard Version
And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day.
Darby Bible Translation
And angels who had not kept their own original state, but had abandoned their own dwelling, he keeps in eternal chains under gloomy darkness, to the judgment of the great day;
English Revised Version
And angels which kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Webster's Bible Translation
And the angels who kept not their first state, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness to the judgment of the great day.
Weymouth New Testament
And angels--those who did not keep the position originally assigned to them, but deserted their own proper abode--He reserves in everlasting bonds, in darkness, in preparation for the judgement of the great day.
World English Bible
Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.Young's Literal Translation
messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept,
 
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King James said:
Now some various versions:

The word generations is the one in question. As you can see without a doubt, the original text was plural. The plural is talking about the pureness of his DNA. Noah was pure human. Not only he was good and walked with God, his DNA had no corruption with the fallen angels. How would this happen? Look five verses back.

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

As you can see one letter, one plural instead of singular can make a HUGE difference in meaning. Now you can change the meaning to, he was the best guy around at the time.

What do we have? The denial of what the scripture means because you don't want to believe there was bad angels.
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Correct me if Im wrong but it seems we agree on one aspect. That Noah's walk with God was good and it is why God favored Noah over others in his generation. As far as your assertion it had to do with his DNA well your guess is as good as mine since nothing specifically addresses that. But honestly if thats your opinion I can live with that, you're in titled too it.


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Nephilim in the bible. I think there are more verses than this. Also, not sure about some of these. It was just easier to post this link then spend too much time for nothing anyways since this won't go anywhere and the only person that would talk in this thread is an atheist.


http://www.openbible.info/topics/nephilim
 
King James said:
Nephilim in the bible. I think there are more verses than this. Also, not sure about some of these. It was just easier to post this link then spend too much time for nothing anyways since this won't go anywhere and the only person that would talk in this thread is an atheist.


http://www.openbible.info/topics/nephilim
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I enjoy this topic and believe in it, but I'm hesitant to say anything because:

1) Whenever the historical subject of Nephilim and crossbreeding comes up, it is not well received here. So that does not specifically bother me, because some people think it's silly, or maybe have a subconscious fear of it, or whatever other reason they won't talk about these recorded biblical events.
2) This is a study section, so I don't want to become in the lease bit controversial as defined by some others. Personally, I do believe the topic belongs here regarding the list of scripture, but biblical quotes aside, it is deemed controversial because of the lack of acceptance for reasons I mentioned above.

If we're honest with ourselves, we all have real dirt and some sort of carpet to sweep it under so that it does not have to be faced.
 
The main reason previous discussions of Nephilim have been closed is simply because someone always introduces serpent seed/dual seed into the mix. That's when the arguing starts, tempers get heated, and individuals attack each other. Obviously, none of those traits should appear in any thread on a Christian forum. So here in Bible Study forum, no debates are allowed, tempers must checked at the door, and attacks should be thought only in terms of Big Macs.

I would like to see where King James is taking this thread's topic - Noah's Generations - for I find it of interest. And seeing the Scriptural comparisons is of interest as well.

One suggestion: If anyone has a question/position pertaining to KJ's topic but may not be 100% confident it should be asked/stated, I commend you to PM either Atonement or myself for a brief discussion without creating any potential disruption in this thread.

Agreement?
 
[MENTION=91037]King James[/MENTION] ,

With all due respect, I'd like to discuss this with you.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah, Noah was a righteous man he was perfect in his generations; Noah walked with God.
The word in question is generations, which you correctly identified as being plural. Lets look at the next verse:
Genesis 6:10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Wouldn't a plain reading of the scriptures simply point to Shem, Ham and Japheth? This certainly would agree with grammer rules and as far as DNA, Shem, Ham and Japeth certainly shared Noah's DNA.

I'll lay my cards out on the table now and state I don't believe that the Nephilim were fallen angels let alone angels that had sex with earthy women which I believe is what you really want to study to begin with. Would you be interested in studying this view as well?
 
Below I have two bible verses and attachments of the verses from an interlinear. The sons of god is the exact same Hebrew wording. In Job, how can the sons of Seth present themselves before God?


Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
 
Also Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The NIV 2011 went ahead and did this: while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
And the ISV 2012: while the morning stars sang together and all the divine beings shouted joyfully?

Included the interlinear as well.
 
I agree [MENTION=91037]King James[/MENTION] - I never doubted who the sons of God were. I heard this taught by different denominations as the same thing. To be honest I didn't think there was any dispute over who the sons of God were?
 
Dear King James,

As you wrote, the word generationsis the one in question. "As you can see one letter, one plural instead of singular can make a HUGE difference in meaning. Now you can change the meaning to, he was the best guy around at the time."

Please consider the words of Jesus when He referred to Noah's generations :

"And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." (Luke 17:26,27)

You can also compare the same referring to Noah's days in Mat. 24:37-39.

My point is, that when the Son of God, who existed even before Noah and thus saw everything going on on earth, when that Jesus is talking about the "days of Noah" whilst reminding his disciples of their knowledge of the Scripture found in the book of Genesis, then He understood the word 'generations' just as the people living at Noah's time.

So I cannot see any hint in Jesus' words that would point out whether Noah had fallen angel's DNA in him or not.
Jesus emphasized the attitude of the people around Noah, not their DNA. Just my opinion.

[And dear King James, my I ask you another question: why do you have such a profile picture? It really scares me. Why?]

Love, Rose
 
I don't believe Noah's generations has anything to do with his DNA. Rather I think it is analogous to the life and times of Grizzly Adams. Yet if the plural still seems peculiar, remember that Noah lived on either side of the flood, so he had two contemporary generations of humanity to see him walk with God.
 
Rose said:
Dear King James,

As you wrote, the word generationsis the one in question. "As you can see one letter, one plural instead of singular can make a HUGE difference in meaning. Now you can change the meaning to, he was the best guy around at the time."

Please consider the words of Jesus when He referred to Noah's generations :

"And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." (Luke 17:26,27)

You can also compare the same referring to Noah's days in Mat. 24:37-39.

My point is, that when the Son of God, who existed even before Noah and thus saw everything going on on earth, when that Jesus is talking about the "days of Noah" whilst reminding his disciples of their knowledge of the Scripture found in the book of Genesis, then He understood the word 'generations' just as the people living at Noah's time.

So I cannot see any hint in Jesus' words that would point out whether Noah had fallen angel's DNA in him or not.
Jesus emphasized the attitude of the people around Noah, not their DNA. Just my opinion.

[And dear King James, my I ask you another question: why do you have such a profile picture? It really scares me. Why?]

Love, Rose
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I realize that Jesus had a couple on opportunities to talk about Nephilim and did not. Like you said, "in the days of Noah" he could have, and "angels do not marry in heaven" he could have, but did not expand or elaborate on Nephilim. I don't think it was because he didn't know about them. He was casting their disembodied spirits of them out of people. Jesus knew that the topic was not agreed upon at the time and didn't want to squander his short time on earth with the subject since he had more important things to do. So is it important for us to know now? Maybe it is. My profile picture is from a Christmas movie you can watch here: http://www.youtube.com/movie/santa-claus
 
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Dear King James,

yes, I think that Jesus really did not elaborate the Nephilim-theme for a reason. Also what [MENTION=8173]Sinthesis[/MENTION] wrote might be a good explanation for the plural form of your word in question.

And thank you for answering my bold question about your profile picture (not the avatar, but on your profile - the devil, I mean). Yet, I do not dare to look at that YouTube movie.
That picture is really scaring me; I almost dreamed of it last night. Maybe it's not for girls. :scared

May God bless you.
Love, Rose
 
King James said:
Below I have two bible verses and attachments of the verses from an interlinear. The sons of god is the exact same Hebrew wording. In Job, how can the sons of Seth present themselves before God?


Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
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Hello King James,

I believe I understand how you are coming to your conclusion so let me see if I've got this right.

You use two verses that use the exact same phrase "sons of God", thus both must point to the same object, which you state are Angelic beings. Thus, the Nephilim are the offspring of sexual encounters between Angelic beings and earthy women.

Is this your understanding? I just want to make sure before I proceed.

Thanks!
 
Well, that is for sure how the first generation nephilim came about. If you want further proof, how about the book of Jude? Jude quotes Enoch and 2 Peter backs him up. Even if the Book of Enoch is corrupted in this modern day, even if only the quotes and remarks from Jude are inspired, that is enough for this nephilim origin. This should be enough except for those that don't accept Jude. I see your an upper level here. I see your phrasing as you are depicting me as a simpleton of such. It seems you want to destroy my study not to change my thought, but the sites as a whole. Forgive me if I'm wrong, that is how I see it. I'm not going to loose all my credibility or get posts edited by posting non-canonical sources or things that might be considered conspiracies since the thought is what I have posted isn't enough. I'm not exactly sure you think there ever was giants at all and if God himself as well as angels have been in physical form or only that they weren't from an angel/human union.
 
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I'm glad that this subject is being talked about I do believe the angels effected the DNA of humanity, the most understandable way is to see this as breeding with women. However if we consider that through science we have GMO's of all kinds being created in plants, fish, animals. Yet recall what Jesus said

Luke 17:26 NAS

"And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man :

How much of what is happening today is like Noahs day, well the messing with DNA is one that could be considered as the same!

As well I have really wondered if the Neanderthals are these children from this cross breeding?

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence...nd-neanderthals/neanderthal-mitochondrial-dna

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