Observing the Sabbath

[SeekHisFace]

There is a very strange mindset that comes into play with Saturday Sabbatarians.

They believe that by establishing that Saturday is thee only legitimate Sabbath Day (which is ridiculous seeing it is factually a shadow of better things to come anyway) that they are somehow now also

legally obedient
temporarily sinless
or legally compliant sinners

There is no connecting the two matters. Even if one were to concede to them that their (extremely limited) views of the Sabbath are thee only legit view, it does not logically connect to them or their own condition.

Many of them seem to think that if they are right on the Sabbath, then they themselves are no longer sinners.

The logic just doesn't connect.

They think it does, but it doesn't.

s

I have looked at your others posts as well..I have never heard of this before. Is this your (or others) "opinion"?
How can anyone on the face of this earth be sinless? That is why we have Jesus and what He did for us.

Violaters? Torture of believers who see different? God forbid.
Isn't this a forum for all to share what we learn? And to debate while loving one another? Who shall be offended?

And concerning the day of the week...do we really know what day the 1st or 7th is anyway? We can only go by what someone else says over the centuries--since we have had calendars changed--how many calendars does this earth have? All we know is that it is the 7th day...hmmm what day is that, since there are so many changes.




All we have is what we read in the Bible and being led by the Holy Spirit and for our brothers and sister---to love one another.

Blessings in Christ...

 

[JLB]

Ah come on 14 views no replies ...

It can't be that obvious, is it?

This is the subject that makes all Christians cringe - I wonder WHY?

C'mon Joe Everybody is asking you to tell us what it means to Keep the sabbath.

I can see why this makes Joe cringe. I wonder why.


JLB

 

[SeekHisFace]

I also wanted to add one more...just wondering what you all think of what I found...

I looked up "rest" (Greek) in each one of these verses and there is only one that is different--and taken from a Hebrew word....and that is in verse 9.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


Verses 1-8

G2663
κατάπαυσις
katapausis
kat-ap'-ow-sis
From G2664; reposing down, that is, (by Hebraism) abode: - rest.

G2664
καταπαύω
katapauō
kat-ap-ow'-o
From G2596 and G3973; to settle down, that is, (literally) to colonize, or (figuratively) to (cause to) desist: - cease, (give) rest (-rain).


Now for verse 9

Heb 4:9 There remainethG620 thereforeG686 a restG4520 to theG3588 peopleG2992 of God.G2316



G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
sab-bat-is-mos'
From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatism”, that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

H7676
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth'
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away

I like what you said about the Sabbath.

Consider this as well -

The only way a person can truly come into the place of rest is have a body that is sinless and immortal and exerts no energy in doing.

Furthermore having a sinless complete unified spirit, soul and body that is free from the striving that is described by Paul.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Romans 7:23-24

and again -

22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:22-25

The true rest comes when when we have been resurrected and receive our immortal sinless glorified bodies and are able to receive the fulness of the spirit, not just the first-fruits, whereby we will dwell with Him here for a thousand years during that seventh day.

JLB

Each and everyone of us are surely a work in progress...

Php_1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

I have heard of the 7 thousandth year being the rest. Didn't someone mention an O.T. scripture concerning that in the millenium ...or was that in Revelations??

Blessings..

 

[George Muller]

This is really just as simple as this scripture?
This is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.:amen

 

[JLB]

This is really just as simple as this scripture?
This is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.:amen

We have not ceased yet, nor has God.

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

JLB

 

[George Muller]

This is really just as simple as this scripture?
This is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.:amen

We have not ceased yet, nor has God.

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

JLB

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Maybe you have not? But the scripture declares that some will and will not because of UNBELIEF.

 

[JLB]

This is really just as simple as this scripture?
This is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.:amen

We have not ceased yet, nor has God.

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

JLB

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Maybe you have not? But the scripture declares that some will and will not because of UNBELIEF.

My point is: we have not yet entered, but there remains a rest.

JLB

 

[George Muller]

This is really just as simple as this scripture?
This is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.:amen

We have not ceased yet, nor has God.

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

JLB

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Maybe you have not? But the scripture declares that some will and will not because of UNBELIEF.

My point is: we have not yet entered, but there remains a rest.

JLB

Well thats not what the scriptures says? It says some will and some wont. Just like the Promised land. I allow that you can decide for yourself, but you will not limit a promise of God for me. I mean no offense, but you have misread the intention of that passage, which is fine for you, but not for me.

 

[SeekHisFace]

This is really just as simple as this scripture?
This is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.:amen

We have not ceased yet, nor has God.

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

JLB

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Maybe you have not? But the scripture declares that some will and will not because of UNBELIEF.

My point is: we have not yet entered, but there remains a rest.

JLB

Are you saying that the 7th day is in the millenium? and now we work 7 days a week until then(meaning--not to cease from our works)?

 

[smaller]

I have looked at your others posts as well..I have never heard of this before. Is this your (or others) "opinion"?
How can anyone on the face of this earth be sinless? That is why we have Jesus and what He did for us.

They can't. That is why the dictates of the Sabbath keepers must be tested.

Attending a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath is NOT the issue.

Violaters? Torture of believers who see different? God forbid.

The positions of most of the demanders that the Sabbath be kept usually comes with an enforcement stick and a penalty.

That stick is that IF you don't THEN you are sinning. (which conclusion of being a sinning sinner is the same whether adhering to the Sabbath or not) and the penalty is either outright or potential eternal death or burning alive forever for that sin.

Those are the common denominators of the majority of so called Sabbath keepers. They all in effect use the Sabbath to justify themselves and they seek to eternally kill those believers who disagree with them. Proving their real intents in the process.

That's also why most of them will dodge my factual posts as well, because their games don't fool me.

Isn't this a forum for all to share what we learn? And to debate while loving one another? Who shall be offended?

No issues with me.

s

 

[SeekHisFace]

I have looked at your others posts as well..I have never heard of this before. Is this your (or others) "opinion"?
How can anyone on the face of this earth be sinless? That is why we have Jesus and what He did for us.

They can't. That is why the dictates of the Sabbath keepers must be tested.

Attending a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath is NOT the issue.

Violaters? Torture of believers who see different? God forbid.

The positions of most of the demanders that the Sabbath be kept usually comes with an enforcement stick and a penalty.

That stick is that IF you don't THEN you are sinning. (which conclusion of being a sinning sinner is the same whether adhering to the Sabbath or not) and the penalty is either outright or potential eternal death or burning alive forever for that sin.

Those are the common denominators of the majority of so called Sabbath keepers. They all in effect use the Sabbath to justify themselves and they seek to eternally kill those believers who disagree with them. Proving their real intents in the process.

That's also why most of them will dodge my factual posts as well, because their games don't fool me.

Isn't this a forum for all to share what we learn? And to debate while loving one another? Who shall be offended?

No issues with me.

s

This is so new to me...what you say. I have never heard of this mentality. Where have you gotten this opinion from?
I just have never heard, read or even thought of what you say.
Demanders?
Justifying ourselves?
I don't know about everyone else...but I only share where "He" leads me in His Word and being led by His Holy Spirit.
If you have been treated terribly...--for we shall love one another...and I surely will pray for you.

 

[JLB]

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Maybe you have not? But the scripture declares that some will and will not because of UNBELIEF.

My point is: we have not yet entered, but there remains a rest.

JLB

Are you saying that the 7th day is in the millenium? and now we work 7 days a week until then?

I have said before man needs a day of rest.

The balance is - One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

What day that person decides to rest is up to them.

If you choose to take a day of rest on Saturday, then to it is a sign that you believe in the coming Day of rest.

The law of Moses does not allow for this liberty.


JLB

 

[SeekHisFace]

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Maybe you have not? But the scripture declares that some will and will not because of UNBELIEF.

My point is: we have not yet entered, but there remains a rest.

JLB

Are you saying that the 7th day is in the millenium? and now we work 7 days a week until then?

I have said before man needs a day of rest.

The balance is - One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

What day that person decides to rest is up to them.

If you choose to take a day of rest on Saturday, then to it is a sign that you believe in the coming Day of rest.

The law of Moses does not allow for this liberty.


JLB

Oh! Now I understand you...
Thank you
Blessings in Christ...

 

[smaller]

This is so new to me...what you say. I have never heard of this mentality. Where have you gotten this opinion from?
I just have never heard, read or even thought of what you say.
Demanders?
Justifying ourselves?
I don't know about everyone else...but I only share where "He" leads me in His Word and being led by His Holy Spirit.
If you have been treated terribly...--for we shall love one another...and I surely will pray for you.

Perhaps you have not had exposure to the real intentions of the hearts of legalists.

I don't need your prayers to see facts that are heaped upon others with the intentions of eternally killing them. Such intentions are blazoned across the foreheads of every believer who has such intentions.

Suggest a closer read of the topic matter for you.

s

 

[SeekHisFace]

This is so new to me...what you say. I have never heard of this mentality. Where have you gotten this opinion from?
I just have never heard, read or even thought of what you say.
Demanders?
Justifying ourselves?
I don't know about everyone else...but I only share where "He" leads me in His Word and being led by His Holy Spirit.
If you have been treated terribly...--for we shall love one another...and I surely will pray for you.

Perhaps you have not had exposure to the real intentions of the hearts of legalists.

I don't need your prayers to see facts that are heaped upon others with the intentions of eternally killing them. Such intentions are blazoned across the foreheads of every believer who has such intentions.

Suggest a closer read of the topic matter for you.

s

No one can kill the eternal life of another human being. Each and everyone's eternal life is in the hands of our Almighty God.
If anyone tries to "trip" up someones else's way...then their judgement still lies in the hand of the living Almighty God.
It would be up to each individual to repent of doing such unloving things. And the ones that are offended, they surely need to repent of their unforgiveness and bitternesses.
So, this whole thing goes two ways.
May we all pray for one another!
May God help us all.

 

[Elijah674]

This is really just as simple as this scripture?
This is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.:amen

We have not ceased yet, nor has God.

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

JLB

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Maybe you have not? But the scripture declares that some will and will not because of UNBELIEF.

My point is: we have not yet entered, but there remains a rest.

JLB

So when we do go home we will do what???

Four six days we find 'work to do'! Isaiah 65:21-25

And on Gods Day for RESTING?? Read Isaiah 66:22-23...

[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

And these are the verses that another 'doesn't understand'???

--Elijah

 

[John 8:32]

PS: My whole hunch about trying to put Christians back under the Old Testament sabbath is that it's rather like putting them back under circumcision again. Whereas it's my understanding that the New Testament believer is under grace.

Would that be grace to live however one sees fit? What is grace? Isn't grace the unearned, undeserved forgiveness for transgressions? If so, it is license to continue in those transgressions?

 

[John 8:32]

With regard to the questions which [MENTION=96523]Mizzy[/MENTION] is inviting answers, one answer should be that to be under grace means not being under law. The Epistle to the Galatians makes this clear, for the believer in the Gospel of the grace of God.

I am under grace so I can commit adultery? How about murder? After all, I am no longer under the law. Or does not being under the law mean no longer subject to the death penalty imposed by the law?

 

[George Muller]

Here is a verse that those who have not entered into Gods rest does not understand?
2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[George Muller]

With regard to the questions which [MENTION=96523]Mizzy[/MENTION] is inviting answers, one answer should be that to be under grace means not being under law. The Epistle to the Galatians makes this clear, for the believer in the Gospel of the grace of God.

I am under grace so I can commit adultery? How about murder? After all, I am no longer under the law. Or does not being under the law mean no longer subject to the death penalty imposed by the law?

Ro 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.