One True 'Fold' ONLY??

[Elijah674]

Elijah here: I thought that this might be of interest? It is from another site.
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bodyservant56 quote:
Body asks:

Here we come to the "bible says it and that settles it" argument. Though it may be Christ's words, does not support ones own application of them.

What I am asking you is how do you define "Church" here? Is it Christ's church or yours? And if it is Christ's church, who made you and I judge of His church?

Even my statements within my questions here begs the point. Paul called for certain ones to be disfellowshiped, until either they repented of their sin, or because of they were false apostles or workers.

As you have mentioned, we are to let our judgment of these be according to heaven's judgment, neither allowing what Heaven does not allow or disallowing what heaven does not disallow. That our judgment be right according to heaven's judge.

In short, what is the church? (end of partial quote)
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I missed this it seems. But 'i' find it clearly defined by Christ in His Words. Note Isa. 5 for the Lords Vineyard! Never mind the verse three of apostasy. It IS CHRISTS HOUSE! (ibid 7) Surely one KNOWS that no translation can undermine the LORDS VINEYARD, HOUSE, SANCTUARY, CHURCH, **CANDLESTICK! being the True Agape PATTERN for the [ONE TRUE CHURCH]!

OK: So what is the Problem is not hard to find in verse 3! It is not the Lords Eph. 4:5 [[ONE HOUSE]] and its doctrine's built to the EXACT SPECIFICATIONS of Heaven!!
First see verse 3 of Isa. 5 for man kinds[[BOTTOM/LINE PROBLEM]]!
[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and [[my]] vineyard.

And Christ does not change! His one True Church has always been patterened from the HEAVENLY ONE! First in Exod. 25:8-9
[8] And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
[9] According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Call it what you want? It is still the LORDS REQUIRED HOUSE! (Church Acts 7:38 )

And Heb. documents this for Eternal Truth! Heb.10:23-24
[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
[23] It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

OK: The Matt. 10:5-6 finds these ex/called ones of that one True CHURCH [[LOST SHEEP!]] & verse 5-15 tells you this! They as a ex/Virgin Fold (Rev. 2:5) had their Candlestick removed. These ones REMOVED THE CENTERPIECE OF THE VINEYARD OF CHRISTS HOUSE, yet kept the EMPTY CHRIST/LESS HOUSE, but it is still [[CHRIST'S VIRGIN DOCTRINES.]] GOT THAT??? It takes BOTH TO BE IN CHRIST! Rom. 8:1

John 12:42-43 tell's the Universe this as was prophesied. And these were REAL BELIEVERS SEEN but with their free choice FATAL DECISION MADE!...

[42] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

[43] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

And what this True/Ex/Virgin HOUSE did, was that they chose satan [[OVER THE CHRIST OF THE HOUSE]]? Again Body, one is required to Be IN BOTH CHRIST + HIS VIRGIN HOUSE!

Even note Matt. 23 for Christ's Word & what the FATAL problem has always been as seen documented by Him (and that is not the Rev. 17:1-5 ones who have never had Christ's Virgin doctrines in the first place)

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And this is the only problem seen in Christ's VIRGIN HOUSE! And it is not His doctrine that was & is the problem, but that Christ was as is again REJECTED! Their love had become LUKEWARM & then came to be totally given up!
But we always see a VIRGIN DOCTRINE REMNANT from creation on who put Christ FIRST PLACE IN THEIR BORN AGAIN RECREATED LOVE FOR HIM! (from Gen. - Rev.'s END)

Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And the Lord's Last 'HOUSE' (Church) [[IS IDENTIFIED]] IN THAT VERSE Friend! See Rev.3:10!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]bodyservant56 wrote:

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Elijah674 wrote:

Does not God require us to do things His way? Matt. 4:4, 2 Tim. 3:16 + Isa. 28:7-14 finds some as dense as todays Jer. 17:5 ones!
Such as Adam created with unconditional Immortality + that of the opposite of these Obad. 1:16 one being BLOTTED FROM ETERNITY!

Surely you can PROVE three of the Godhead if the 'brain is spiritual'?? God's WORD has His own doctrinal way of study. You seem to be like Ren & her pagan historic professed church of Jer. 17:5's wise men all teaching different false doctrines. So we see Rev. 17:1-5 ones in the same breath, so which [one] are you going with?? Take your pick.

And did you not come on that there are a Godhead in another post?????

--Elijah [/FONT]

What is a godhead? Can you provide a clear definition?[/FONT]

Well, it is not 'g'odhead. To me that is near blasphemy. I had thought that you were sincere, but am changing my mind.

You are sounding like another with calling the Holy Spirit an 'it'. My thinking is that Acts 5 time is just around the corner if not already present. That of Matt. 24:21 on. And we see (some) evil spirits taking over most of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones to finish up satan's plan allowed by the Godhead.

Matt. 24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and [[shall shew great signs and wonders;]] insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Personally speaking, I think that Pencostals false stuff will help be the highlite of rome & daughters 'wonders' allowed by the Godhead.

The world is already set up for tongues, great emotional noise, (racket) excitement, feelings of the 's'pirits workings + miracles & much ealse as a TEST of 's'alvation!

Note the time/frame here in 2 Thess.!
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

[8] And then shall [[that Wicked be revealed]], whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and [[shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: ]]

[9] Even him, whose coming [[is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders]],

[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

[11] And [[for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: ]]

OK: A LIE?? No three seperate indivual that are Immortal of the Godhead in creation's first week is the devils lie, mankind is made up of spirits that are immortal is the devils lie. The week of creation was not a litteral 7 days is the devils lie, the Seventh-day of the week is not the Godheads required day for worship is a lie.

And that God did not have the whole earth with no other tongue & (one) language is a devils lie, (and angels tongues) an eternal hell burning is a lie, burning in the center of the earth somewhere is the devil lie, antiChrist with NO Doctrine of Christ + the Godhead in UNITY is the devils lie, secret rapture is the devils lie,

a 1000 yrs. with live mankind on earth is the devils lie, a once desolate 'house' of Israel being restored instead of extended, (remnant) is a devils lie, and the land that cannot sin that is a unconditional promise by the Godhead, before the recreated heavens & earth is the devils lie.

OK: You can believe these lies as you are given the free choice by the Godhead as your Gen. 4:7 DESIRE. Yes, free choice is another of satan lies!

--Elijah

 

[Adullam]

The true church is based on resurrection life.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

"16 ...do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17 NIV)

 

[Elijah674]

"16 ...do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17 NIV)

Good! God will be the Judge as seen in Eccl. 12:13-14. There will be NO garbage allowed from there on!

[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commhandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Loving Duty 'i' might add)
[14] For God shall bring [[every work]] into judgment, with every [[secret thing]], whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

PS: I find most everything here presumptously open & even printed out! Psalms 19:13

 

[Elijah674]

First we see the Godheads documented Prophecy: (Mal. 3 ‘ For I am the LORD, I change not;..’ verse 6 + Heb. 13 ‘Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever’. verse 8)


Dan. 7

[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times [[and laws]] and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


And times as seen in Psalms 135
[13] Thy name, O LORD, endureth for ever; and thy memorial, O LORD, throughout all generations. (‘think to change times’ & what law is that! Compare Isa. 8:20!)
(Check out Mark 7:7 on this verse!)



And only one Royal Law of the Godhead has it documented...

Exod. 20

[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
....

[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor [[thy cattle]], nor [[thy stranger that is within thy gates]]:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.



(this is the only commandment that deals with the Lord’s Times)



And what mother of harlots of Rev. 17:1-5 did that?



‘We define that the Holy See and the Roman Pontiff holds thr primacy over the whole world.’—Lanne and Cossart, The Most Holy Councils, vol. 13, col. 1167.



Pope Leox111 wrote, ‘We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.’



The Catholic Encyclopedia says, ‘This judicial authority will even include the power to pardon sins.’ –Volume 12, pg. 265.

(surely this the the real anti/Christ!)



And wear out the saints of the Most High?

‘DURING THE DARK DAYS OF PAPAL PERSECUTION UNNUMBERED MILLIONS DIED ON THE GALLOWS, AT THE STAKE, BY SWORD, THROUGH PRIVATION, AND WERE TORTURED.

Read Fox Book of Martyr’s or many other historical records.



Back to their & your ‘attempted’ changing of God’s 7th Day Sabbath.

‘The pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws.... The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and acts as vicegerent of God on earth.’ From Lucas Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca Readers Library, ‘Papa’, art. 2.



And from the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1893. we see: ‘The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.’



From the supposed Reverend Peter Geirmann’s Converts Catechism on Catholic Doctrine we see this:

Question.- Which day is theSabbath day?



Answer: – Saturday is the Sabbath day.



Question. – Why do we keep Sunday instead of Saturday?



Answer.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.’ –Page 50.



And the whole of Rome’s daughters mostly would rather die than switch!



--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17 NIV)

The Sabbath observance was a condition for staying in covenant with God under the old covenant. It is not a condition for covenant in this New Covenant.

Nobody is judged according to a Sabbath Day anymore. The condition for covenant in this New Covenant is faith in Christ's blood. Therefore, do not let Catholics, or Protestants, or anyone else, judge you in regard to a Sabbath Day and it being a determining factor of whether you belong to the sheep fold or not.

 

[Elijah674]

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17 NIV)

The Sabbath observance was a condition for staying in covenant with God under the old covenant. It is not a condition for covenant in this New Covenant.

Nobody is judged according to a Sabbath Day anymore. The condition for covenant in this New Covenant is faith in Christ's blood. Therefore, do not let Catholics, or Protestants, or anyone else, judge you in regard to a Sabbath Day and it being a determining factor of whether you belong to the sheep fold or not.

?????????? Judging you? 'i' do not even know you! Male, female or even one post person posting under several handels??

What the Word of God says is my only bottom/line concern. And the New Covenant say this:
Heb. 10
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Heb. 8
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And friend, there are only one set of Laws that God Spake + alone Wrote, and then re/wrote in the Born Again heart + mind.
Isa. 8:20 finds this [TEST OF ANY TRUTH THAT I READ OF,] for [[me]]. (did you get that forum??)
[20] To the law [and' to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

And 2 Cor. 3 (finds one to be the LETTER OF CHRIST!)
[3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (and sure, 'i' realize that all of mankind are not the letter of Christ transfered from His Law into our heart by the New Birth)

And 'i' see that these 10 Commandments that God calls Christ's Epistle to us were even the reason that God called Abe faithful long before they were even written in stone!

Gen. 26
[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] Because that Abraham [obeyed my *voice], and [kept my charge], [my commandments], [my statutes], and [my laws].

Notice that this was even verbal at this time! God even had a selected Priest for His work of worship. (No Jew either!) + tithes were required for the work of God. Hey, even go to Gen. 12:5 & you will find Gentile 'SOULS' that Abe had won over to God by his 'seeds sown!' And sure, Abe himself was a Gebntile, huh!

And the forth commandment that was written in stone later? it even had the WORD REMEMBER there! from when? Surely day six passed of Adam's creation, and then he had his very first 7th Day Sabbath Sermon from God.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

?????????? Judging you? 'i' do not even know you! Male, female or even one post person posting under several handels??

What the Word of God says is my only bottom/line concern. And the New Covenant say this:
Heb. 10
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Heb. 8
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And friend, there are only one set of Laws that God Spake + alone Wrote, and then re/wrote in the Born Again heart + mind.
Isa. 8:20 finds this [TEST OF ANY TRUTH THAT I READ OF,] for [[me]]. (did you get that forum??)
[20] To the law [and' to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

And 2 Cor. 3 (finds one to be the LETTER OF CHRIST!)
[3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (and sure, 'i' realize that all of mankind are not the letter of Christ transfered from His Law into our heart by the New Birth)

And 'i' see that these 10 Commandments that God calls Christ's Epistle to us were even the reason that God called Abe faithful long before they were even written in stone!

Gen. 26
[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] Because that Abraham [obeyed my *voice], and [kept my charge], [my commandments], [my statutes], and [my laws].

Notice that this was even verbal at this time! God even had a selected Priest for His work of worship. (No Jew either!) + tithes were required for the work of God. Hey, even go to Gen. 12:5 & you will find Gentile 'SOULS' that Abe had won over to God by his 'seeds sown!' And sure, Abe himself was a Gebntile, huh!

And the forth commandment that was written in stone later? it even had the WORD REMEMBER there! from when? Surely day six passed of Adam's creation, and then he had his very first 7th Day Sabbath Sermon from God.

--Elijah

PS Forum: Let me just this.

Eccl. 12
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[Webb]

Elijah674---Allow me to offer you the opportunity to discuss with you the sabbath question on the one-on-one.

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah674---Allow me to offer you the opportunity to discuss with you the sabbath question on the one-on-one.

See Titus 3:9-11.
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

That [[[includes me with the one or two times]]]. And we had not talked to one another for several months, because we are at present 100% apart on not only the 7Th Day Sabbath requirement but surely of Acts 5:32's first requirement for one being Born Again.

Yet, NOTHING PERSONAL is needed from you to me untile 'i' get it right, huh?
Anyway, No thanks. We can post scripture freely here + non/judmental [[personal]] material & leave the results up to the Christ's John 10:16 & Rev. 18:4 True ones to OBEY. John 14:26
[13]
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[14] He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

--Elijah

 

[Webb]

Then WHY are you engaging in such "foolish" questions on this thread? Consistency, it has been said is a "rare jewel."

 

[Jethro Bodine]

?????????? Judging you? 'i' do not even know you! Male, female or even one post person posting under several handels??

What the Word of God says is my only bottom/line concern. And the New Covenant say this:
Heb. 10
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Heb. 8
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And friend, there are only one set of Laws that God Spake + alone Wrote, and then re/wrote in the Born Again heart + mind.
Isa. 8:20 finds this [TEST OF ANY TRUTH THAT I READ OF,] for [[me]]. (did you get that forum??)
[20] To the law [and' to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

And 2 Cor. 3 (finds one to be the LETTER OF CHRIST!)
[3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (and sure, 'i' realize that all of mankind are not the letter of Christ transfered from His Law into our heart by the New Birth)

And 'i' see that these 10 Commandments that God calls Christ's Epistle to us were even the reason that God called Abe faithful long before they were even written in stone!

Gen. 26
[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] Because that Abraham [obeyed my *voice], and [kept my charge], [my commandments], [my statutes], and [my laws].

Notice that this was even verbal at this time! God even had a selected Priest for His work of worship. (No Jew either!) + tithes were required for the work of God. Hey, even go to Gen. 12:5 & you will find Gentile 'SOULS' that Abe had won over to God by his 'seeds sown!' And sure, Abe himself was a Gebntile, huh!

And the forth commandment that was written in stone later? it even had the WORD REMEMBER there! from when? Surely day six passed of Adam's creation, and then he had his very first 7th Day Sabbath Sermon from God.

--Elijah

Surely, then, you consider literal circumcision to be an eternal, non-negotiable requirement for the 'true' fold, right? For it predates the Law of Moses, too.

 

[Elijah674]

Surely, then, you consider literal circumcision to be an eternal, non-negotiable requirement for the 'true' fold, right? For it predates the Law of Moses, too.

Are you being cute? 2 Cor.4:2. From Adam on circumcism was meant for the Born Again circumcism of the heart. Yet, surely even at the time of the flood God Himself seperated the clean from the unclean. So there was a diffenence in the lamb & the pig. (for some!)

Whatever??

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Are you being cute? 2 Cor.4:2. From Adam on circumcism was meant for the Born Again circumcism of the heart. Yet, surely even at the time of the flood God Himself seperated the clean from the unclean. So there was a diffenence in the lamb & the pig. (for some!)

Whatever??

And thus the reason why your defense for Sabbath keeping has no merit.

Your argument is the Sabbath is eternal because it was around before the Law of Moses and therefore will always be a binding requirement to be in the one, true fold of God's sheep. Well, circumcision was around long before the law, too, and unlike the Sabbath during that time, was plainly presented as a condition for being in covenant with God and a member of the 'true' fold.

Yet, despite the very plain language of Genesis 17 we know there is nothing binding at all in literal circumcision as a requirement and condition for being in covenant with God and a part of the true fold of sheep. We know it was merely an illustration and shadow of what really puts a person in covenant with God--circumcision of the heart through faith in Christ. This is so true that Paul said the one who is circumcised but who does not obey God will be condemned by the one who isn't circumcised but does obey God. Ditto for Sabbath keeping. You keep the true Sabbath when you believe and rest in Christ. Just as faith in Christ is the true circumcision.

 

[Elijah674]

And thus the reason why your defense for Sabbath keeping has no merit.

Your argument is the Sabbath is eternal because it was around before the Law of Moses and therefore will always be a binding requirement to be in the one, true fold of God's sheep. Well, circumcision was around long before the law, too, and unlike the Sabbath during that time, was plainly presented as a condition for being in covenant with God and a member of the 'true' fold.

Yet, despite the very plain language of Genesis 17 we know there is nothing binding at all in literal circumcision as a requirement and condition for being in covenant with God and a part of the true fold of sheep. We know it was merely an illustration and shadow of what really puts a person in covenant with God--circumcision of the heart through faith in Christ. This is so true that Paul said the one who is circumcised but who does not obey God will be condemned by the one who isn't circumcised but does obey God. Ditto for Sabbath keeping. You keep the true Sabbath when you believe and rest in Christ. Just as faith in Christ is the true circumcision.

You use the Acts 15 chapter to prove the Eternal Covenant false???? Get real!
Acts 15
[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
[2] When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
....
[5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
[6] And [[the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.]]

If one wants to dump the Eternal Covenant teaching that THEY were this Law of Moses.. be satans guest! Dan. 7:25

'i' doubt that there is any reason to go any further on with this with you than once or twice, because if one is Led of God they will not be VAIN! (me or you!) Titus 3:9-11

So I will leave off with just what 'i' will be doing in the New Earth. (yet the 7th Day Sabbath breakers of the James 2:10 ones will be past/tense as verse 24 documents.)

Isa. 66
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

[24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[Adullam]

PS Forum: Let me just this.

Eccl. 12
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

The new creation in Christ is according to holiness...in NATURE. That is the whole purpose of the law, not a checklist of carnal requirements. A person who lives in the Spirit and walks in the Spirit is exactly like Jesus in this world.

 

[Elijah674]

The new creation in Christ is according to holiness...in NATURE. That is the whole purpose of the law, not a checklist of carnal requirements. A person who lives in the Spirit and walks in the Spirit is exactly like Jesus in this world.

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[carnal requirements] you post?? The Godheads Eternal Law which He Spoke + wrote in two tables of stone, + RECREATED IN THE NEW BIRTHED ONES HEART are CARNAL to your posting.

Have it your way:waving.

--Elijah

 

[Adullam]

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[carnal requirements] you post?? The Godheads Eternal Law which He Spoke + wrote in two tables of stone, + RECREATED IN THE NEW BIRTHED ONES HEART are CARNAL to your posting.

Have it your way:waving.

--Elijah

Laws are written for the lawless...think about it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You use the Acts 15 chapter to prove the Eternal Covenant false???? Get real!

No. I'm just showing you that just because a law was known and even enforced prior to the Law of Moses doesn't mean it's an eternal law. The law of circumcision was not only known before the Law of Moses but it was even explicitly commanded as a requirement for being in covenant with God. That can't be said about the Sabbath requirement. But even the law of circumcision is known to not be a literal requirement for covenant, let alone an eternal law. Do you understand now why your argument has no merit?

So I will leave off with just what 'i' will be doing in the New Earth. (yet the 7th Day Sabbath breakers of the James 2:10 ones will be past/tense as verse 24 documents.)

No where in James 1 and 2 does he say he's talking about Sabbath's and Festivals. What he does PLAINLY say he's talking about is 'love your neighbor as yourself'. How can you not see that????

Nobody is condemned by a Sabbath Day observance, or a Festival, or by what they eat and drink. That is why we are not to permit anyone to judge us as condemned by these things (Colossians 2). Those 'works' are not the measure of saving, justifying faith. 'Love your neighbor as yourself' is:

"The only thing that counts (in regard to justification) is faith expressing itself through love." (Galatians 5:6 NIV parenthesis and italics mine)

Love is the 'work' that faith must have attached to it for that faith to be of the kind that is able to save.

Isa. 66
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

[24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Assuming this is a literal prophecy, how does this make Sabbath keeping a condition for covenant? Am I to ignore what other parts of the Bible say to preserve this as a defense for literal Sabbath keeping and it being a work of faith that is required in order for one to be saved? That's not reasonable. That's a very narrow and incomplete understanding of scripture.