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Our salvation is in Mary

electedbyHim said:
What is the purpose of that?

Why keep the risen Christ on the cross?
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We live in the power of the risen Lord of course but scripture says to comform to Christ crucified!

1 cor 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
 
electedbyHim said:
donadams

In all seriousness.

Are you teling me that kneeling before a statue of mary, joseph or any other saint, with a few dozen candles, a money box and praying to them is not Idolotry?

Just think about that for a minute.
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No its not!
It must be consider God with intent to adore and perform worship, and only God may be lawfully worshipped!

Thks
 
LanaPodesta said:
No one is saying salvation isn't through Christ
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Actually Catholic dogma denies the teachings of Jesus Christ by the things it teaches such as for instance Immaculate conception.

  • Do you understand what the doctrine of immaculate conception is?


Also -

Praying to Mary and the saints.
Setting up images of Mary and the saints and bowing down to them.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


When we deny the doctrine of Christ and replace it with the doctrine of man, we are denying Christ.
 
LanaPodesta said:
Show me Scripture that says Scripture is the ultimate authority lmao
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Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


  • Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
 
JLB said:
Actually Catholic dogma denies the teachings of Jesus Christ by the things it teaches such as for instance Immaculate conception
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Okay? The Immaculate Conception isn't a dogma I follow.
JLB said:
Praying to Mary and the saints.
Setting up images of Mary and the saints and bowing down to them.
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This I do.
JLB said:
When we deny the doctrine of Christ and replace it with the doctrine of man, we are denying Christ.
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Where do you find 'Christ's doctrine'?
 
JLB said:
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


  • Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
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Scripture isn't mentioned.
 
LanaPodesta said:
The Church.
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Jesus Christ is the head of the Church and therefore the ultimate authority as God.

For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Ephesians 5:23

His teachings are the guideline for our life.

His Spirit leads us and guides us and teaches us all things.


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27

Being taught directly by Him is the promise of the New Covenant.
 
LanaPodesta said:
Show me Scripture that says Scripture is the ultimate authority lmao
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First, it goes without saying, otherwise the leaders the Church, however that is defined, could go against Scripture, right? Isn't that precisely what we've seen in the CC? Second, Paul's statements in Gal. 1:6-9 make it pretty clear that he thinks Scripture, that which he and the apostles had already taught, based also on the OT, was the standard:

Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (ESV)

What is the standard Paul gives here? Apostolic authority? No. The Church? No. Angels? No. It's Scripture—that which was already taught, which no apostle could change. Paul could not come back and teach something different, nor could Peter or any of the other apostles. In other words, Paul and the rest of the apostles are held to the standard of Scripture--sola scriptura--as the final and infallible authority.

LanaPodesta said:
Because the Scripture doesn't say anything resembling 'ignore the Church, follow Scripture alone'
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Is this a claim anyone is actually making or is this a straw man? Sola scriptura doesn't mean Scripture alone is our authority, as is commonly believed, but rather that Scripture is the ultimate and only infallible authority.
 
LanaPodesta said:
This I do.
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Bowing down to images of things in heaven or on earth is idolatry.

This is what idolaters can look forward to.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
 
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