Our salvation is in Mary

[LanaPodesta]

Bowing down to images of things in heaven or on earth is idolatry.

This is what idolaters can look forward to.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

Nope.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Jesus Christ is the head of the Church and therefore the ultimate authority as God.

For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Ephesians 5:23

His teachings are the guideline for our life.

His Spirit leads us and guides us and teaches us all things.


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27

Being taught directly by Him is the promise of the New Covenant.

Right. Jesus founded the Church.

 

[LanaPodesta]

First, it goes without saying, otherwise the leaders the Church, however that is defined, could go against Scripture, right?

You mean the people who canonised the Bible in the first place? The Church existed long before the Bible did.

Is this a claim anyone is actually making or is this a straw man? Sola scriptura doesn't mean Scripture alone is our authority, as is commonly believed, but rather that Scripture is the ultimate and only infallible authority.

Okay. This begs the question...who is interpreting scripture?

 

[Free]

You mean the people who canonised the Bible in the first place? The Church existed long before the Bible did.

Before the collection of the NT, yes, but not before the OT, which is what Jesus used to show the gospel:

Luk 24:25 And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Luk 24:26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?”
Luk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
...
Luk 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
Luk 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
Luk 24:46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead,
Luk 24:47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. (ESV)

That is the gospel, given by Jesus, which Paul preached and was clearly prior to the Church. More than that, not even Paul himself, nor any other apostle, claimed what you and the CC are claiming. Rather, Paul admitted that he didn't know everything:

1Co 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. (ESV)

Paul states that he doesn't see perfectly, that he sees as "in a mirror dimly." That would apply to Peter and the rest of the apostles, which means that none of them can be an infallible authority; it means that no person, including every Pope and Patriarch, could be, ever.

Okay. This begs the question...who is interpreting scripture?

Believers, both leaders and lay. Everyone holds everyone else accountable:

Act 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue.
Act 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. (ESV)

We have a very clear example of the people holding the apostles to account for what they were preaching.

 

[Who Me]

Both predate the RCC

Really, the encyclopedia Britain and says this about Jerome:-
Encyclopedia Britannica

St. Jerome (born c. 347, Stridon, Dalmatia—died 419/420, Bethlehem, Palestine; feast day September 30) was a biblical translator and monastic leader, traditionally regarded as the most learned of the Latin Fathers.
He lived for a time as a hermit, became a priest, served as secretary to Pope Damasus I, and about 389 established a monastery at Bethlehem. His numerous biblical, ascetical, monastic, and theological works profoundly influenced the early Middle Ages. He is known particularly for his Latin translation of the Bible, the Vulgate, and has been designated a doctor of the church.
Link:-https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Jerome

Clearly as he was a secretary to a pope and a priest he was part of the Roman Catholic Church.
That you are unaware of this rasis serious questions about your theological knowledge.

 

[JLB]

Nope.

You can try to deny the truth but it won’t go away.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

Rather than deny what the doctrine of Christ teaches, why not just repent for practicing idolatry and ask your Father in heaven to forgive you and cleanse of this sin.

He loves you, but will not tolerate these things.


Please consider this.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Right. Jesus founded the Church.

So you have a choice.

Either believe Jesus Christ and His teaching or believe man’s dogma.

Here’s a question:

Why does the Catholic Church have there own book of dogmas?

Why not just teach what the scriptures say?

 

[LanaPodesta]

Believers, both leaders and lay

Who are the 'leaders'?

 

[LanaPodesta]

Either believe Jesus Christ and His teaching or believe man’s dogma

You're right. Why should I believe what you say?

Why does the Catholic Church have there own book of dogmas?

You'd be better off asking a Catholic.

Why not just teach what the scriptures say?

Because the scriptures need to be interpreted properly. Do you believe in the Trinity?

 

[LanaPodesta]

Clearly as he was a secretary to a pope and a priest he was part of the Roman Catholic Church.

No. Jerome could not have been "part of the Roman Catholic Church" (RCC) as we understand it today, because the formal distinctions between the Western (Roman Catholic) and Eastern (Orthodox) Churches did not yet exist during his lifetime. Instead, Jerome was a member of the undivided Christian Church, which encompassed all Christians across the Roman Empire and beyond.

Damasus I (reigned 366–384) is recognized as the Bishop of Rome by both the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, as he lived well before the Great Schism of 1054.

 

[LanaPodesta]

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

Where's the idolatry?

 

[Free]

Who are the 'leaders'?

Those who lead. Anything else you want to address in my post?

 

[LanaPodesta]

Those who lead. Anything else you want to address in my post?

Lead what?

 

[Free]

Lead what?

What do you think, given the context?

 

[LanaPodesta]

What do you think, given the context?

I don't know, it can't be the Church because you don't seem to think the Church has any authority

 

[Free]

I don't know, it can't be the Church

It can only be leaders in the Church, since that is what we are discussing, particularly the leaders in each local church.

because you don't seem to think the Church has any authority

What, specifically, led you to that conclusion?

 

[LanaPodesta]

It can only be leaders in the Church, since that is what we are discussing, particularly the leaders in each local church.

Who are you referring to when you say 'Church'?

 

[Free]

Who are you referring to when you say 'Church'?

The whole body of Christ. That is generally what it means.

 

[LanaPodesta]

The whole body of Christ. That is generally what it means.

So you do accept the authority of the Church or not?

 

[Free]

So you do accept the authority of the Church or not?

What do you mean by “the authority of the Church”?