Our salvation is in Mary

[electedbyHim]

They even predate the writing of scripture


The church was founded and existed and exercised authority in teaching, governance, and sanctifying souls before the New Testament was written!

The church does not require the New Testament scriptures to know the truth!

The church wrote the scripture!

The church was taught by Christ in person for three years!

And commanded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

For 30 plus years before the apostles wrote scripture
By the inspiration of the Holy Ghost they taught and preached and settle matters of doctrine!

Acts 8:12 & 25 & 35
Acts 13:5
1 pet 1:25

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The sects of errors are the darkness of Thick black scales of fundamentalism!

All the tradition of men!





Sacred scripture teaches that many of the same things apply to the apostolic church as it does Christ!

Light of the world: Jn 8:12 / Matt 5:14
Hear: Matt 17:5 acts 3:22 / Matt 18:17
Authority: Matt 28:17 / Jn 20:21
Reconciliation: 2 cor 5:19 / 2 cor 5:18
Forgive sins: Lk 5:20 / Jn 20:23

Truth: Jn 14:6 / 1 Tim 3:15

Jesus Christ and His church are one acts 9:4 eph 5:32 and the only means of salvation! Matt 28:19
acts 16:17


Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

So, tradition plus the Bible.


Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

 

[donadams]

Nothing in that verse states that salvation in in human mary.

All regenerate are blessed.

Only cos Mary found grace Lk 1:30

Jesus Christ “Is” our salvation!

He came thru Mary!

 

[donadams]

So, tradition plus the Bible.


Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Not a “tradition of men” thats what heretics teach “five solas” etc.

But a divine tradition (teaching) from Christ to His apostles in person, which He commanded them to teach that becomes an apostolic tradition! Matt 28:19Acts 1:8 Acts 2:42

Same power and authority as Christ Jn 20:21-23

 

[electedbyHim]

Only cos Mary found grace Lk 1:30

Jesus Christ “Is” our salvation!

He came thru Mary!

Christians are gifted grace.

 

[electedbyHim]

Not a “tradition of men” thats what heretics teach “five solas” etc.

But a divine tradition (teaching) from Christ to His apostles in person, which He commanded them to teach that becomes an apostolic tradition! Matt 28:19Acts 1:8 Acts 2:42

Same power and authority as Christ Jn 20:21-23

Catholics teach "extra-biblical" traditions of man.

 

[donadams]

Christians are gifted grace.

The Lord has placed in Mary the plenitude of all good, so that if any hope, or grace, or salvation is in us, we know that we derive it all from Mary.
(St. Bernard)

 

[electedbyHim]

The Lord has placed in Mary the plenitude of all good, so that if any hope, or grace, or salvation is in us, we know that we derive it all from Mary.
(St. Bernard)

That is what a sinful man has taught you.

It is not in the Bible, so it is not truth.

 

[donadams]

Catholics teach "extra-biblical" traditions of man.

Saint Bonaventure tells us that every page of the Old Testament talks about the Blessed Virgin in one way or another, all the scriptures were written about Mary!

 

[donadams]

That is what a sinful man has taught you.

It is not in the Bible, so it is not truth.

If men are forbidden to teach, why are you here?

God always sends men to teach!
Examples:

Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report?

Isaiah 6:8
Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?

Matt 28;19 ho teach
Acts 1:8 my witnesses

God always established peace and order in His kingdom by obedience to the fathers in hierarchical jurisdiction! Matt 28:17-20

Practically ever page of the New Testament has men teaching or preaching!

Example: Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.

Why should believe a sinful man like Philip?

Thks

 

[electedbyHim]

If men are forbidden to teach, why are you here?

God always sends men to teach!
Examples:

Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report?

Isaiah 6:8
Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?

Matt 28;19 ho teach
Acts 1:8 my witnesses

God always established peace and order in His kingdom by obedience to the fathers in hierarchical jurisdiction! Matt 28:17-20

Practically ever page of the New Testament has men teaching or preaching!

Example: Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.

Why should believe a sinful man like Philip?

Thks

I share Biblical doctrine.

Sola Scriptura.

 

[electedbyHim]

I share Biblical doctrine.

Sola Scriptura.

Men can teach only from the OT and NT, the things of God, not tradition.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Where is it taught by holy mother church to worship them?

Huh?

 

[donadams]

I share Biblical doctrine.

Sola Scriptura.

Where that in the bible!

Christ founded a church, house of faith not a publishing house!

Sent apostles with His Authority and command to teach and sanctify all men! Matt 28:19

 

[donadams]

Huh?

They claim the church approves worship of saints, so i ask where does holy church teach this doctrine?

Thks

 

[donadams]

The holy Rosary is the Bible on a String!

For Christians, the first of books is the Gospel! And the Rosary is actually the abridgement of the Gospel. (Lacordaire)

“The greatest method of praying is to pray the Rosary.” (Saint Francis de Sales the great saint who converted 100,000 souls back from the Protestant revolt)

“Some people are so foolish that they think they can go through life without the help of the Blessed Mother. Love the Madonna and pray the rosary, for her Rosary is the weapon against the evils of the world today. All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother.” -St. Padre Pio

The Rosary is a powerful weapon to put the demons to flight and to keep oneself from sin…If you desire peace in your hearts, in your homes, and in your country, assemble each evening to recite the Rosary. Let not even one day pass without saying it, no matter how burdened you may be with many cares and labors.” – Pope Pius XI

““The Rosary is the most excellent form of prayer and the most efficacious means of attaining eternal life. It is the remedy for all our evils, the root of all our blessings. There is no more excellent way of praying.” Pope Leo XIII

13. “No one can live continually in sin and continue to say the Rosary: either they will give up sin or they will give up the Rosary” – Bishop Hugh Doyle

14. “The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem, no matter how difficult it is, whether temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families…that cannot be solved by the Rosary. There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary.” -Sister Lucia dos Santos of Fatima

Here is an example to help you understand the efficacy of the Rosary. You remember the story of David who vanquished Goliath. What steps did the young Israelite take to overthrow the giant? He struck him in the middle of the forehead with a pebble from his sling. If we regard the Philistine as representing evil and all its powers: heresy, impurity, pride, we can consider the little stones from the sling capable of overthrowing the enemy as symbolizing the Aves of the Rosary.

“One day through the Rosary and the Scapular I will save the world.”
(Blessed Virgin Mary to the great saint of the rosary, St. Dominic who converted the Albigensian heretics!)

“If our age in its pride laughs at and rejects Our Lady’s Rosary, a countless legion of the most saintly men of every age and of every condition have not only held it most dear and have most piously recited it but have also used it at all times as a most powerful weapon to overcome the devil, to preserve the purity of their lives, to acquire virtue more zealously, in a word, to promote peace among men.”
(Pope Pius XI) (and the reason for the crisis in the priesthood is that the modernists have given up the rosary declaring it a superstition)

“Among all the devotions approved by the Church none has been favored by so many miracles as the devotion of the most Holy Rosary. ”
(Pope Pius IX)

“The rosary is the scourge of the devil”
)Pope Adrian VI)

“The rosary is a treasure of graces”
(Pope Paul V)

“The Rosary is THE WEAPON.”
(Padre Pio)

When the Holy Rosary is said well, it gives Jesus and Mary more glory and is more meritorious than any other prayer.
(Saint Louis de Montfort)

When you say your Rosary, the angels rejoice, the Blessed Trinity delights in it, my Son finds joy in it too, and I myself am happier than you can possibly guess. After the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, there is nothing in the Church that I love as much as the Rosary.
(Our Lady to Blessed Alan de la Roche)

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee!’ No creature has ever said anything that was more pleasing to me, nor will anyone ever be able to find or say to me anything that pleases me more.
(Our Lady to Saint Mechtilde)

It was not courage, not arms, not leaders, but Mary of the Rosary that made us victors.
(Venetian Senators after Battle of Lepanto when the Christian forces were greatly outnumbered by the muslim infidels)

 

[Dyonisius the Areopagite]

All are one in Christ Jesus!

Amen?

I think that this (The Communion of the Saints) is a Holy Dogma which has been tragically stripped from Protestants. The Orthodox Church's response to the reformation was that the Reformers had "thrown the baby out with the bathwater". There is no doubt that the Western Church had become corrupt, but superstition ended up replacing superstition and destroying Apostolic Doctrine.
When I "Came home to the Church" one of my most poignant epiphanies shortly after Baptism was the reality of the Communion of the Saints.
Ironically, one of the things thatr had driven me from the Protestant Churches was Sola Scriptura. Concerning Communion itself (The Holy Eucharist) I kept seeing in Holy Scripture a completely different picture of The Eucharist than was being taught in the Baptist and Evangelical Churches. This drove me to the ancient Fathers and after reading them I realized that I was right. But I still had no real conception of the Communion of the Saints. I remember trying to figure out such phrases as "we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses" and such in the Scriptures, and I realized we were united in the Eucharist. I just did not realize the extent.
But when, during Holy Liturgy, I sang:
"Let us who mystically represent the Cherubim" just before Commuion, it really hit home.
Christ is amongst us, now and ever and unto ages of ages amen.
P.S.,
My great hope is that the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Pope of Rome will reconcile one year and wipe away the stain of 1054. We Catholics should not be split. Disagreements can be hashed out. While many in Orthodoxy say that there are "oceans of difference" separating East and West I truly think that is overblown.
I don't like that Communion in Catholic Churches only consists of the Body, sans the Blood. But that too I think can be hashed out. Orthodox ( as in the ancient way) mix the Body and the Blood together in the Chalice and spoon feed it to the Faithful.
I say also, that, when I was coming home to the Church, I had almost unbearable Communion Hunger.

 

[Dyonisius the Areopagite]

In your post 62 you wrote
" The intent to worship as one's God, obviously. "

In your post 62 you wrote,
" The intent to worship as one's God, obviously. "
This was in regard to the worship of idols, you intend to worship the Almighty Holy Creator God through objects, through that which is not God, in other words idols.

Um, no...that is not correct.
The Holy Icons inspire prayer and reflection. Not worship of their object; save for the Icons of the Lord Jesus. We worship the Lord Jesus. Do you object to that?
In an Orthodox Temple (any local parish), there is an Iconostasis. It is a wall with Icons all over it. It has three doors and represents the Veil of the Temple.
During Liturgy, the Chalice containing the Body and the Blood of the Lord passes through the middle door of the Iconostasis, representing the tearing of the Veil at the Crucifixion and the uniting of the Holy Church TO THE FATHER by the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus.
The point here is that we worship THE FATHER. We do not worship anyone else save the other Two Persons of the Holy Trinity.
The Icons of the Saints represent our COMMUNION WITH THEM THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
When we partake of Communion....THEY ARE MYSTICALLY THERE....We are RECOGNIZING that they are mystically there through our acknowledgement of them.
I am not shouting with caps. I am emphasizing. These points are extremely important.
Also, while I say "represent" that is also different in our modern language than "mystical". Mystical means "spiritually real" in Orthodox terminology. Thus, above, when I say "represent" I mean "mystically/spiritually real".

 

[donadams]

I think that this (The Communion of the Saints) is a Holy Dogma which has been tragically stripped from Protestants. The Orthodox Church's response to the reformation was that the Reformers had "thrown the baby out with the bathwater". There is no doubt that the Western Church had become corrupt, but superstition ended up replacing superstition and destroying Apostolic Doctrine.
When I "Came home to the Church" one of my most poignant epiphanies shortly after Baptism was the reality of the Communion of the Saints.
Ironically, one of the things thatr had driven me from the Protestant Churches was Sola Scriptura. Concerning Communion itself (The Holy Eucharist) I kept seeing in Holy Scripture a completely different picture of The Eucharist than was being taught in the Baptist and Evangelical Churches. This drove me to the ancient Fathers and after reading them I realized that I was right. But I still had no real conception of the Communion of the Saints. I remember trying to figure out such phrases as "we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses" and such in the Scriptures, and I realized we were united in the Eucharist. I just did not realize the extent.
But when, during Holy Liturgy, I sang:
"Let us who mystically represent the Cherubim" just before Commuion, it really hit home.
Christ is amongst us, now and ever and unto ages of ages amen.
P.S.,
My great hope is that the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Pope of Rome will reconcile one year and wipe away the stain of 1054. We Catholics should not be split. Disagreements can be hashed out. While many in Orthodoxy say that there are "oceans of difference" separating East and West I truly think that is overblown.
I don't like that Communion in Catholic Churches only consists of the Body, sans the Blood. But that too I think can be hashed out. Orthodox ( as in the ancient way) mix the Body and the Blood together in the Chalice and spoon feed it to the Faithful.
I say also, that, when I was coming home to the Church, I had almost unbearable Communion Hunger.

Yep i did that form at byzantine mass!

Yep they claim to be believers but don’t believe, the fundamentalists have jettisoned everything, bishops, priests, mass, communion, etc. the only they believe is “accept Christ
By faith alone” there is nothing more you need to do”!

Thks

 

[Dyonisius the Areopagite]

Yep i did that form at byzantine mass!

Yep they claim to be believers but don’t believe, the fundamentalists have jettisoned everything, bishops, priests, mass, communion, etc. the only they believe is “accept Christ
By faith alone” there is nothing more you need to do”!

Thks

Well, speaking as a former Protestant, I do believe that "Faith in Jesus" is all that is needed. And the ancients DID state that the Holy Scriptures "were sufficient". But they meant all of this, even the "faith in Jesus" formula....WITHIN THE CHURCH.....
Watch and digest what the protestants you talk to, and read on these forums, actually say. You will see that they have only a few problems, although they are profound ones.
They reject the AUTHORITY of the Church.
They reject that the Priesthood of the Saints, itself, has an hierarchy of Authority. Everyone is a Priest, within the Body, but only SOME are given authority over the Flock. This is rejected. The result is a POPULARITY CONTEST for who becomes a leader within the Body.
They reject that they, as an individual, have NO authority within the Church, unless GIVEN to them BY the Church.

 

[donadams]

Well, speaking as a former Protestant, I do believe that "Faith in Jesus" is all that is needed. And the ancients DID state that the Holy Scriptures "were sufficient". But they meant all of this, even the "faith in Jesus" formula....WITHIN THE CHURCH.....
Watch and digest what the protestants you talk to, and read on these forums, actually say. You will see that they have only a few problems, although they are profound ones.
They reject the AUTHORITY of the Church.
They reject that the Priesthood of the Saints, itself, has an hierarchy of Authority. Everyone is a Priest, within the Body, but only SOME are given authority over the Flock. This is rejected. The result is a POPULARITY CONTEST for who becomes a leader within the Body.
They reject that they, as an individual, have NO authority within the Church, unless GIVEN to them BY the Church.

And devotion to Mary!
As I have quoted the saints, fathers, doctors, all they can say is “blasphemy”!

Praise to the Divine Heart that wrought our salvation; to It be glory and Honor forever. Amen