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Our salvation is in Mary

donadams

In all seriousness.

Are you teling me that kneeling before a statue of mary, joseph or any other saint, with a few dozen candles, a money box and praying to them is not Idolotry?

Just think about that for a minute.
 
electedbyHim said:
Sure it is.

You pray to mary through the rosary, you know hail mary and all that.

You also believe she is sinless.

This thread is titled, Our salvation is in mary. That is heretical.



You mean it was rejected.

That does not mean anything.

You reject what the Bible says about graven images and idols to justify statues, cricifixes and the like.

The Reformers did not see Iconoclasts the way Catholics do.
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Marian dogma predates the canonisation of the Bible.
 
LanaPodesta said:
Blasphemy according to whom? The people who founded the Church?
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Jesus Christ founded the church, not people.

Matthew 16:18 “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Matthew 16:18

on this rock. The word for "Peter," Petros, means a small stone (Joh_1:42). Jesus uses a play on words here with petra, which means a foundation boulder (cf. Mat_7:24-25). Since the NT makes it abundantly clear that Christ is both the foundation (Act_4:11-12; 1Co_3:11) and the head (Eph_5:23) of the church, it is a mistake to think that here He is giving either of those roles to Peter. There is a sense in which the apostles played a foundational role in the building of the church (Eph_2:20), but the role of primacy is reserved for Christ alone, not assigned to Peter. So Jesus' words here are best interpreted as a simple play on words in that a boulder-like truth came from the mouth of one who was called a small stone. Peter himself explains the imagery in his first epistle: the church is built of "living stones" (1Pe_2:5) who, like Peter, confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Christ Himself is the "chief cornerstone" (1Pe_2:6-7).
church. Matthew is the only Gospel where this term is found (see also Mat_18:17). Christ calls it "My church," emphasizing that He alone is its Architect, Builder, Owner, and Lord. The Greek word for church means "called out ones." While God had, since the beginning of redemptive history, been gathering the redeemed by grace, the unique church He promised to build begins at Pentecost with the coming of the Holy Spirit, by whom the Lord baptizes believers into His body—which is the church (see notes on Act_2:1-4; 1Co_12:12-13).
 
electedbyHim said:
Jesus Christ founded the church, not people.

Matthew 16:18 “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Matthew 16:18

on this rock. The word for "Peter," Petros, means a small stone (Joh_1:42). Jesus uses a play on words here with petra, which means a foundation boulder (cf. Mat_7:24-25). Since the NT makes it abundantly clear that Christ is both the foundation (Act_4:11-12; 1Co_3:11) and the head (Eph_5:23) of the church, it is a mistake to think that here He is giving either of those roles to Peter. There is a sense in which the apostles played a foundational role in the building of the church (Eph_2:20), but the role of primacy is reserved for Christ alone, not assigned to Peter. So Jesus' words here are best interpreted as a simple play on words in that a boulder-like truth came from the mouth of one who was called a small stone. Peter himself explains the imagery in his first epistle: the church is built of "living stones" (1Pe_2:5) who, like Peter, confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Christ Himself is the "chief cornerstone" (1Pe_2:6-7).
church. Matthew is the only Gospel where this term is found (see also Mat_18:17). Christ calls it "My church," emphasizing that He alone is its Architect, Builder, Owner, and Lord. The Greek word for church means "called out ones." While God had, since the beginning of redemptive history, been gathering the redeemed by grace, the unique church He promised to build begins at Pentecost with the coming of the Holy Spirit, by whom the Lord baptizes believers into His body—which is the church (see notes on Act_2:1-4; 1Co_12:12-13).
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Of course, but it was the apostles who by Christ's instruction established the Church on Earth.

The early Church's recognition of Mary as Theotokos (God-bearer) and the belief in her perpetual virginity predate the formal canonization of Scripture. These ideas were present and emphasized in the Church by the 2nd and 3rd centuries, with the title Theotokos being affirmed at the Council of Ephesus in 431 CE.

The belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity was also widely held in the early Church, with early Church Fathers like St. Augustine and St. Jerome discussing it as a matter of faith.
 
LanaPodesta said:
Of course, but it was the apostles who by Christ's instruction established the Church on Earth.

The early Church's recognition of Mary as Theotokos (God-bearer) and the belief in her perpetual virginity predate the formal canonization of Scripture. These ideas were present and emphasized in the Church by the 2nd and 3rd centuries, with the title Theotokos being affirmed at the Council of Ephesus in 431 CE.

The belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity was also widely held in the early Church, with early Church Fathers like St. Augustine and St. Jerome discussing it as a matter of faith.
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Just ideas and traditions.

We could make many different threads from your posts.

Biblical Christians reject those views of mary.

I get it, I was raised Roman Catholic, alter boy catholic school and all that nonsense.

When the Lord saved me, He opened my eyes to that heretical teaching and others like it.
 
electedbyHim said:
Just ideas and traditions.

We could make many different threads from your posts.

Biblical Christians reject those views of mary.

I get it, I was raised Roman Catholic, alter boy catholic school and all that nonsense.

When the Lord saved me, He opened my eyes to that heretical teaching and others like it.
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So the apostles were heretics?
 
LanaPodesta said:
Of course, but it was the apostles who by Christ's instruction established the Church on Earth.

The early Church's recognition of Mary as Theotokos (God-bearer) and the belief in her perpetual virginity predate the formal canonization of Scripture. These ideas were present and emphasized in the Church by the 2nd and 3rd centuries, with the title Theotokos being affirmed at the Council of Ephesus in 431 CE.

The belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity was also widely held in the early Church, with early Church Fathers like St. Augustine and St. Jerome discussing it as a matter of faith.
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Sorry but Augustine and Jerome were contemporary, both writing after the foundation of the rcc.
All you are saying is that the rcc being full of political converts, They simple added there pagan beliefs into the Christian faith.

How are we taught to pray? Didn't Jesus say when you pray say Our Father?
 
LanaPodesta said:
Blasphemy according to whom? The people who founded the Church?
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Saying that salvation is from Mary rather than Christ is idolatry.

It also denigrates Christ to a lesser position under Mary which is blasphemy.
 
Who Me said:
Sorry but Augustine and Jerome were contemporary, both writing after the foundation of the rcc.
All you are saying is that the rcc being full of political converts, They simple added there pagan beliefs into the Christian faith.

How are we taught to pray? Didn't Jesus say when you pray say Our Father?
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Both predate the RCC
 
electedbyHim said:
Your said apostolic tradition.

Do you believe tradition or the Bible?

You did not answer the question.

But catholics trust in tradition and not Scripture.
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Scripture and Tradition are inseparable and equally authoritative, as they together form the foundation of the Church's faith and practice.

I can't speak for Catholics.
 
LanaPodesta said:
Scripture and Tradition are inseparable and equally authoritative, as they together form the foundation of the Church's faith and practice.

I can't speak for Catholics.
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Scripture and Tradition are inseparable and equally authoritative, as they together form the foundation of the Church's faith and practice.
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This is a Catholic belief.

Scripture and tradition are not equal in anyways.
 
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