Pat Robertson's comment

[jasoncran]

Why do people only see the lovy doby side of Jesus and not the behold i come with a sword, or Think i come in peace but with a sword, and father shall be against son..

 

[Dude named Louis]

Why do people only see the lovy doby side of Jesus and not the behold i come with a sword, or Think i come in peace but with a sword, and father shall be against son..

Fair point. Eye-for-an-eye vs. turn the other cheek. It's not one or the other, it's both!

 

[Rick W]

Because judgment/punishment is never attractive.
Why is there small print on credit card offers?

 

[jasoncran]

Why do people only see the lovy doby side of Jesus and not the behold i come with a sword, or Think i come in peace but with a sword, and father shall be against son..

Fair point. Eye-for-an-eye vs. turn the other cheek. It's not one or the other, it's both!

God is holy and demands purity and demands justice and payment for sin, yet he is merciful, he will pardon inquinity through the blood of Christ. We must accept that Blood payment for our sins.

Eye for an eye is talking about meeting justice equally for all.

 

[destiny]

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Tim 4:3

Me thinks that time has come.

 

[jasoncran]

we seem to be heading that way. I refuse to go to a church where sin isnt preached agianst and repentance and pleading for the lost to come and be saved isnt put forth.

 

[destiny]

The cause and cure for earthquakes By Charles Wesley
http://www.wesleyheritagefoundation.org ... racket.pdf

 

[jasoncran]

interesting link but what was that your trying to show. i found nothing specefic.

 

[destiny]

interesting link but what was that your trying to show. i found nothing specefic.

I changed the link because the other one didn't take you directly to the article. Try it again.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Tim 4:3

Me thinks that time has come.

Try more like 2,500 years ago when The Buhhda walked, The Greek Masters questioned the ideals of humanity, then the rising of the Catholic Church, The formation of Islam, then there was Luther, Calvin, etc.


If you look through a small window, you'll only see a small picture.

 

[jasoncran]

that quake in that link lead to the wesleyan revival. I never said that the Lord doesnt judge, only that Mr. Robertson has no tact. We should rather focus on the living and helping them and when the time is right tell them about the cross.
a good person who does this in ministry is kp ohnanlon of gospel for asia.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

[quote="Lance_Iguana":5jiu3qu6] God exectutes Judgement, but Jesus only delivered the message. Sorry but no dice there.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:[/quote:5jiu3qu6]
John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen


When you add the first few lines, it is clear that Jesus was the messanger and that God Dosen't Judge the True belivers because they have accepted his messanger Christ. :yes

 

[jasoncran]

lol, lance your quoting first john not the gospel of john where Rick got that.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

lol, lance your quoting first john not the gospel of john where Rick got that.

oops. I'll re check my source.

I thought it was odd that Jonh chapter 5 only had 21 verses

 

[destiny]

Wow, Lance is quoting scripture. :D

 

[jasoncran]

he has been doing that for past two days. even though he's off on that last one. Its still rather praiseworthy.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

I think this has more to do with final judgement then about the world.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Wow, Lance is quoting scripture. :D

I've read the Bible and actually enjoy disscussing it. I was just more into politics the last few months.

I personally think that Jesus's philosophy was pretty cool, but my favorite book is Mathew since its straight forward.

 

[jasoncran]

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

I think this has more to do with final judgement then about the world.

if I were to drop dead now that would apply when i'm raised up to be judged. At our death we will be judged whether we know him(christ)truthfully or not. The end for some may not be armageddon or it could be. I do believe in the rapture and know that i'm saved.

 

[Tubalcain]

...Certainly by some beliefs Haiti was alread cursed by its extreme poverty. Certainly this is consistent with some calvinist and success gospel belief systems.

I don't quite get the connection between this event and Calvinism being associated with success gospel belief systems. Calvinism as I know it is pretty far from success gospel belief.

That's why I said "some". Have you read Max Weber's The Protestant Ethic and the Development of Capitalism? I'm not sure if that's the exact title. It does address the connection between the development of capitalism and Calvinism.