Pat Robertson's comment

[ronniechoate34]

Mr. Robertson's comments are both arrogant and self-righteous.

So you know what is in Pat Robertson's heart huh? Well I heard what he said too. The man offered hope in the midst of turmoil. So what if he told the truth? People need to hear the truth. That's all I know about it.

The disaster in Haiti is a wake up call to the whole world. Just as Jesus said about they whom were crushed when the tower of Siloam fell on them...unless we repent we will all likewise perish.

Yes that's right. So please don't go around judging people unrighteously.

 

[ronniechoate34]

I have been thinking more about this. Apart from the prior argument that one can't blame God for bad weather. I think it is dangerous to start saying that God ordains events or situations. It is a superstitious view of the world that, if taken to its logical conclusion, destroys free will and makes God to be a monster. For if God ordained the culmination of events for earth quakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, tornadoes, etc. In the end God orchestrates everything. We are puppets. We have no choices. It breaks down the universe into the old religious views of optimism and pessimism. This is either God does everything for the best, or the worst. Not to mention, if God decides all who die and all who live then God preordained every abortion, thus making abortion Gods will, and I think even small children have the innate ability of reason to understand that isn't the case.

Why do you try to understand the mind of God? No one can.


Re:4:11: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


I can't explain that. But I love it, and I am blissfully on the right side of the Lord and I will be expecting His judgments to manifest themselves while others will be sadly caught off guard. That's your choice, you can be for or against the Lord but the Lord God will always win. We are nothing here. Accept it, or don't. It's up to you.

 

[Dude named Louis]

...Certainly by some beliefs Haiti was alread cursed by its extreme poverty. Certainly this is consistent with some calvinist and success gospel belief systems.

I don't quite get the connection between this event and Calvinism being associated with success gospel belief systems. Calvinism as I know it is pretty far from success gospel belief.

Here's the thing. To call people hateful is a judgment. You can't say that I or anyoneelse here is full of hate because we have seen that God has executed judgment on these people and have commented on it. I am not full of hate therefore I am not hateful. Do you care to repent of that judgment? Or do you not care how you are judged by God?

But you really haven't seen that God has executed judgment on these people have you? You are believing it, assuming, but how can you really know? We can know that He judged Sodom and Gomorrah, and that he chose to spare Ninevah from judgment but we know that from scripture specifically.

 

[ronniechoate34]

But you really haven't seen that God has executed judgment on these people have you? You are believing it, assuming, but how can you really know? We can know that He judged Sodom and Gomorrah, and that he chose to spare Ninevah from judgment but we know that from scripture specifically.

Psalms:9:17: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


God delivers on His promises both to to protect His people and to punish the wicked.

 

[Free]

I think that Pat Robertson should have just kept his mouth shut. Comments like his are what give at least some atheists justification for their beliefs. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with Robertson. :gah

 

[ronniechoate34]

I think that Pat Robertson should have just kept his mouth shut. Comments like his are what give at least some atheists justification for their beliefs. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with Robertson. :gah

Which part bothered you most? The history lesson or the encouraging words that he offered?

 

[Dude named Louis]

Psalms:9:17: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


God delivers on His promises both to to protect His people and to punish the wicked.

Which nation is not wicked? Which nation has not forgotten God?

 

[Free]

I think that Pat Robertson should have just kept his mouth shut. Comments like his are what give at least some atheists justification for their beliefs. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with Robertson. :gah

Which part bothered you most? The history lesson or the encouraging words that he offered?

Do a search on the Net to see peoples' responses to what he said. It seems he does more of a disservice to Christianity than most. While something good may come from the disaster, nothing good will come from his comments. Some things are best left unsaid and it is unfortunate that someone in his position lacks the maturity to know when to not say anything.

 

[jasoncran]

i agree with free, theres that thing called tact. Which he seems to lack.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Psalms:9:17: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


God delivers on His promises both to to protect His people and to punish the wicked.

Which nation is not wicked? Which nation has not forgotten God?

None. That's why we should look for our own sudden destruction to come. We claim to be so Godly over here that when we fall it will be very very hard. Probably no one will ever live on this land again.

 

[ronniechoate34]

I think that Pat Robertson should have just kept his mouth shut. Comments like his are what give at least some atheists justification for their beliefs. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with Robertson. :gah

Which part bothered you most? The history lesson or the encouraging words that he offered?

Do a search on the Net to see peoples' responses to what he said. It seems he does more of a disservice to Christianity than most. While something good may come from the disaster, nothing good will come from his comments. Some things are best left unsaid and it is unfortunate that someone in his position lacks the maturity to know when to not say anything.

Since when is a supposed man of God supposed to neglect mentioning Gods judgment?

Which part bothered you most? The history lesson or the encouraging words that he offered?

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Since when is a supposed man of God supposed to neglect mentioning Gods judgment?

Which part bothered you most? The history lesson or the encouraging words that he offered?

I'll step in and say its neither of those.

What everyone is complaing about is not his stance on history or his cncouraging words.


Its the fact that he tried to conect something from the past and say that since this happened here, all these people not involved with that action where punished.

I'm sorry but when thousands of women and chilldren were killed, and someone tries to justify it with some past event dosen't sit with me.

Sounds to old testaent like, and not the God Jesus spoke of.

 

[Lewis]

I will say it again, God could have stopped this, but He did not, if God did not send it, He knew it was coming for sure in His omniscience. Now if you will notice, throughout the Bible, when evil got to be to far out of line, God would always step in, and would always bring that country to it's knees. I don't know what God did in this Haiti thing, but one thing is for sure, He allowed it. One other thing God still intervenes, in the affairs of men today, it is called divine intervention. So why didn't God do it this time ? I am just putting this out there, that is all.

 

[ronniechoate34]

I'll step in and say its neither of those.

Do you think it's smart to speak for someone else?

What everyone is complaing about is not his stance on history or his cncouraging words.


Its the fact that he tried to conect something from the past and say that since this happened here, all these people not involved with that action where punished.

That's sounds like God to me.


Nu:14:18: The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.


What's wrong with that? Are you ashamed of God?

I'm sorry but when thousands of women and chilldren were killed, and someone tries to justify it with some past event dosen't sit with me.


Sounds to old testaent like, and not the God Jesus spoke of.

Jesus is God. He hasn't changed ever. Jesus executes judgments alright.

 

[Free]

Since when is a supposed man of God supposed to neglect mentioning Gods judgment?

It is an assumption that it is God's judgment. If one wants to make that argument, then we must also be consistent and argue to every natural disaster, regardless of how big or how small. It is utterly irresponsible to go about making such public comments.

His comments also ignore the likely fact that many Christians were killed, not to mention those that were true seekers of truth. Robertson has fallen into the same trap as Job and believes that abundance and success are signs of God's blessing and anything else is a sign of a curse or God's judgment. He has ignored that there are far too many issues involved in the state of a country and it's economy and it's people.

In the very least, he should have waited for a year or more before opening his mouth on the matter, and even then, only after he put his money where his mouth is to help clean up the mess and bring hope to the people.

No one goes to a funeral and proclaims that the persons death was God's judgment on that person. Well, no one except Pat Robertson that is.

Which part bothered you most? The history lesson or the encouraging words that he offered?

I agree with Lance that it is neither. His "encouraging words" were meaningless before he even spoke them. As soon as he implies that this was God's judgment, everything after that becomes meaningless.

In the end, his comments do far more harm for Christ than good.

 

[Adullam]

Mr. Robertson's comments are both arrogant and self-righteous.

So you know what is in Pat Robertson's heart huh? Well I heard what he said too. The man offered hope in the midst of turmoil. So what if he told the truth? People need to hear the truth. That's all I know about it.

The disaster in Haiti is a wake up call to the whole world. Just as Jesus said about they whom were crushed when the tower of Siloam fell on them...unless we repent we will all likewise perish.

Yes that's right. So please don't go around judging people unrighteously.

How much righteous do you attribute to someone who kicks another when he is down?

 

[ronniechoate34]

Mr. Robertson's comments are both arrogant and self-righteous.

So you know what is in Pat Robertson's heart huh? Well I heard what he said too. The man offered hope in the midst of turmoil. So what if he told the truth? People need to hear the truth. That's all I know about it.

The disaster in Haiti is a wake up call to the whole world. Just as Jesus said about they whom were crushed when the tower of Siloam fell on them...unless we repent we will all likewise perish.

Yes that's right. So please don't go around judging people unrighteously.

How much righteous do you attribute to someone who kicks another when he is down?

Pat Robertson didn't say or do anything to make things any harder on these people at all. In fact he may have given them something to think about.

 

[Dude named Louis]

Psalms:9:17: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


God delivers on His promises both to to protect His people and to punish the wicked.

Which nation is not wicked? Which nation has not forgotten God?

None. That's why we should look for our own sudden destruction to come. We claim to be so Godly over here that when we fall it will be very very hard. Probably no one will ever live on this land again.

Hi, that's my point—everyone nation could be considered wicked and deserving judgment, so why single out a single event to make a connection to God's intervening? We would have to just go around all day when ever anything bad happened saying "God must be judging you for your wickedness". Would we say that to a loved one who lost a child? Or a friend whose house caught on fire?

I really have no axe to grind with 'ol Pat. He seems like a nice enough guy, but I agree with the others who think his comments were not appropriate. They certainly were not necessary and I think they don't advance the kingdom.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I'll step in and say its neither of those.

Do you think it's smart to speak for someone else?

I'm speaking for myself, thank you.

What everyone is complaing about is not his stance on history or his cncouraging words.


Its the fact that he tried to conect something from the past and say that since this happened here, all these people not involved with that action where punished.

That's sounds like God to me.

So if my grandpa murdered someone, I'm just as guilty? Jesus stood up and siad we are responsible for our own sins and ended the old covenant. I'm sorry, but that archaic mess no longer aplies.

Nu:14:18: The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

This is out of context. Please present the line above and below this. I hate scripture mining with a passion.

What's wrong with that? Are you ashamed of God?

Underhanded tactic here. You are trying to convince the reader by sugesting I might be ashamed of God. I made no sugestions of that, so retract that statement.

I'm sorry but when thousands of women and chilldren were killed, and someone tries to justify it with some past event dosen't sit with me.


Sounds to old testaent like, and not the God Jesus spoke of.

Jesus is God. He hasn't changed ever. Jesus executes judgments alright.

You are confusing something here. Jesus was teh embodiment of god on earth. But he himself was only part of God. God exectutes Judgement, but Jesus only delivered the message. Sorry but no dice there.

 

[Rick W]

God exectutes Judgement, but Jesus only delivered the message. Sorry but no dice there.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: