Pat Robertson's comment

[destiny]

We don't know where "next" will be. But we do know God is sovereignly OVER creation and He has to allow it to happen before it can happen. Everything is subject to God almighty.

 

[jasoncran]

i know that but i was making a point. I know that God judges, but we need to show mercy and call for repentance. Let God deal with those that wont repent.

 

[destiny]

i know that but i was making a point. I know that God judges, but we need to show mercy and call for repentance. Let God deal with those that wont repent.

The church needs calling to repentance for not preaching the whole counsel of God, as this thread is a testament to. If a person calls it "hateful" and unmerciful when someone says God judges, then they are teaching falsely and actually HINDERING REPENTANCE. That is hateful!!

 

[JudaicChristian]

God has punished no one. Haiti lies on a geologic fault line, which is what caused the earth quake. Enough of blaming the victims. I am sure the true Christians have donated some of their wealth to help these desperate people, while false teachers just blame the victim, and say they deserve it.

Would you say that God does not see or judge anyone, but it's all a matter of science?

 

[jasoncran]

one can do that in love, are all acts of nature. Truly judgments from God. i know churches that were faithful to christ and were ruined in the hurricanes in 04. They rebuilt and were stronger. It does rain on the just and unjust.

would you tell your friend to his face just after they lost his parents that God judge them. You knew that they werent saved, or at least they didnt show it.

that is my point, tact. I lost a friend who was raised in the chruch to cancer, he died practicing buddism. I went to his service, i heard a lot of good things about him., :verysad but i'm not sure that he was saved. I didnt tell his sons that God sent him to hell or judged him. I tried to witness to him. He wasnt atagonistic just wanted to be in buddhism and didnt see the need to repent. I miss him.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Was the tsunami a act of God.

The rush of the tsunami (tidal waves) brought sudden disaster to people carrying out their daily activities. On the ocean's edge many Indians of India were swept away to their death while taking a ritual Hindu bath, in their worship of the full moon. India has recorded nearly 10,000 deaths from the tsunami that pounded shorelines on Dec. 26 in its southern states and the outlying Andaman and Nicobar islands. Some 6,000 people are missing and presumed dead, mainly in the island territories. The death toll is expected climb higher as the body count continues. No animals were found drown. It is reported that animals were seen moving to higher ground before the tsunami struck, were as human beings were completely unaware. The tidal wave came in at the very time the Pagans went into the oceans edge to worship. At that very time, on that day, the tidal wave came in. And the people of the world said that it was just a matter of science.

 

[destiny]

one can do that in love, are all acts of nature. Truly judgments from God. i know churches that were faithful to christ and were ruined in the hurricanes in 04. They rebuilt and were stronger. It does rain on the just and unjust.

would you tell your friend to his face just after they lost his parents that God judge them. You knew that they werent saved, or at least they didnt show it.

that is my point, tact. I lost a friend who was raised in the chruch to cancer, he died practicing buddism. I went to his service, i heard a lot of good things about him., :verysad but i'm not sure that he was saved. I didnt tell his sons that God sent him to hell or judged him. I tried to witness to him. He wasnt atagonistic just wanted to be in buddhism and didnt see the need to repent. I miss him.

Clearly "God judged" has not been accepted in this thread by some no matter how it was delivered. Just that in itself has been called hateful, plus the scripture I have posted has been lashed out at. Maybe it goes back to being a babe who can only digest milk, I certainly hope that's it instead of worldly humanist pollution. I have lost friends that I miss too who refused to turn to the Lord. I miss them and loved them.

It is good to consider the goodness and severity of God.

 

[jasoncran]

There were present at that time some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose you that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think you that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.
(Luke 13:1-5)

Just think, JESUS said that^^

all that dont repent whether death has occured via natural causes, murder, and natural disaster will be judged and if they havent accepted Christ, then it will be a sad day for them
For it is appointed for all men to die, then unto the judgment.
The earth is under the curse of sin, and will do this and we arent promised tommorow. We all can die in the next seconds or day or months.

 

[Caroline H]

First we need to establish what hate is. Where is hatred in this thread?

To say it was science or happenstance is love. To say God judged is hate. Is that correct?

Destiny I agree with you. I was responding to an earlier post by that person, which had stated that they felt that after viewing this site for a while felt that it was full of hateful people.

 

[destiny]

all that dont repent whether death has occured via natural causes, murder, and natural disaster will be judged and if they havent accepted Christ, then it will be a sad day for them
For it is appointed for all men to die, then unto the judgment.
The earth is under the curse of sin, and will do this and we arent promised tommorow. We all can die in the next seconds or day or months.

Jason, here is a verse to ponder that has got me thinking, "Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after." 1Tim 5:24

I'm thinking that means some sins are judged now in this life, and some follow afterwards to judgment. It is better to be judged now while we can repent. That's what I'm taking from that verse but you can look at it in context and study on it more if you want. I just thought it was interesting.

 

[destiny]

First we need to establish what hate is. Where is hatred in this thread?

To say it was science or happenstance is love. To say God judged is hate. Is that correct?

Destiny I agree with you. I was responding to an earlier post by that person, which had stated that they felt that after viewing this site for a while felt that it was full of hateful people.

Thanks for clearing that up, Caroline. I feel better about it now.

 

[kiwimac]

As for Robertson and his comments. This prayer, from the ceremony at Bwa Kayiman, has been traditionally been ascribed to Boukman: "The god who created the earth; who created the sun that gives us light.The god who holds up the ocean; who makes the thunder roar. Our God who has ears to hear. You who are hidden in the clouds; who watch us from where you are. You see all that the white has made us suffer. The white man's god asks him to commit crimes. But the god within us wants to do good. Our god, who is so good, so just, He orders us to revenge our wrongs. It's He who will direct our arms and bring us the victory. It's He who will assist us. We all should throw away the image of the white men's god who is so pitiless. Listen to the voice for liberty that sings in all our hearts."

Ask yourself who it sounds like he is praying to and then ask yourself if the reason it was considered the devil he was making a pact with was because it simply couldn't be the 'Christian' French who were in the wrong.

 

[Midgwy]

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


No matter who or what we think causes the storm, Jesus said if you don't build your house on the rock, it will fall and great will be the fall of it.

 

[happyjoy]

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Tim 4:3

I couldn't have put it better my self. There seems to be a great number of people here who only spout hate from their hearts, and cannot hide their happiness when others suffer. It is truly despicable and not Christian in the slightest. I can only take solace in the knowledge that in the end the love of Jesus will prevail against this perversion of the message of Jesus.

Have you also noticed the many people here who hurt when others hurt, and have compassion in their hearts for those who suffer, and who long to see the lost come to Christ? Try not to lump everyone together just because there are a few hateful people here, you will find hateful people everywhere you go, even in your own church. :yes

I certainly didn't mean to say everyone is hateful. I am sorry. I was aggravated by the few.

 

[happyjoy]

God has punished no one. Haiti lies on a geologic fault line, which is what caused the earth quake. Enough of blaming the victims. I am sure the true Christians have donated some of their wealth to help these desperate people, while false teachers just blame the victim, and say they deserve it.

Would you say that God does not see or judge anyone, but it's all a matter of science?

I never say never to anything. On the other hand I don't see how every time a tornado destroys a trailer park in Kansas that some holier than though "Christan" can say God judged them. I see no reason to blame God for bad weather, and I count earthquakes, volcanoes, and tidal waves as weather.

 

[Tubalcain]

It is certainly possible natural disasters could somehow constitute a judgment form God. However, almost every time some blowhard says a specific one is against its victims, it is an uninformed opinion designed to exercise power and control over others.

Certainly by some beliefs Haiti was alread cursed by its extreme poverty. Certainly this is consistent with some calvinist and success gospel belief systems.

 

[happyjoy]

I have been thinking more about this. Apart from the prior argument that one can't blame God for bad weather. I think it is dangerous to start saying that God ordains events or situations. It is a superstitious view of the world that, if taken to its logical conclusion, destroys free will and makes God to be a monster. For if God ordained the culmination of events for earth quakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, tornadoes, etc. In the end God orchestrates everything. We are puppets. We have no choices. It breaks down the universe into the old religious views of optimism and pessimism. This is either God does everything for the best, or the worst. Not to mention, if God decides all who die and all who live then God preordained every abortion, thus making abortion Gods will, and I think even small children have the innate ability of reason to understand that isn't the case.

 

[Adullam]

Mr. Robertson's comments are both arrogant and self-righteous. The disaster in Haiti is a wake up call to the whole world. Just as Jesus said about they whom were crushed when the tower of Siloam fell on them...unless we repent we will all likewise perish.

 

[ronniechoate34]

I certainly didn't mean to say everyone is hateful. I am sorry. I was aggravated by the few.

Here's the thing. To call people hateful is a judgment. You can't say that I or anyoneelse here is full of hate because we have seen that God has executed judgment on these people and have commented on it. I am not full of hate therefore I am not hateful. Do you care to repent of that judgment? Or do you not care how you are judged by God?


M't:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 

[ronniechoate34]

God has punished no one. Haiti lies on a geologic fault line, which is what caused the earth quake. Enough of blaming the victims. I am sure the true Christians have donated some of their wealth to help these desperate people, while false teachers just blame the victim, and say they deserve it.

Would you say that God does not see or judge anyone, but it's all a matter of science?

I never say never to anything. On the other hand I don't see how every time a tornado destroys a trailer park in Kansas that some holier than though "Christan" can say God judged them. I see no reason to blame God for bad weather, and I count earthquakes, volcanoes, and tidal waves as weather.

Why not? Jesus holds the keys to life and death and God sends the whirlwind. That's pretty cut and dry stuff there.