Paul getting rejected by all in Asia.

[Rajesh Sahu]

This is the judgment of the NATIONS. In the Bible, the nations are those who are outside of the people of God. Notice that those of the "nations" who are saved are those who did good to "the least" of Christ's followers. Because Christians have Christ within through the Holy Spirit, whatever someone outside the Christian community does to someone within it is actually acting toward Christ through that Christian person. Those of the nations who are saved are not saved because they were kind and loving, but because they were kind and loving toward CHRIST (as manifested in his followers). A good example of this is a group of moderate Indonesian Moslems who heard of a plan by radical Moslems to attack a Christian community. The moderates warned the Christians and saved their lives, however the moderates themselves were caught by the radicals and crucified outside the mosque. I believe that these moderates were saved by their action because what they did for the Christians was seen by God as being done for Christ.

All nations here clearly mean people of all nations / all mankind , Christian and others. Everyone has to face judgment before getting saved / condemned
He repeats it in Revelation 22:12 ►
“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done."
To say this is only for non Christian and who helped Christians is mentioned NOWHERE in the passage ( Matthew 25:31-46)
And what you're suggesting is therefore tantamount to SPECULATION. No court will accept this explanation that you provided.

However I'd like to point out two phenomena in play here and it's very common among Paul loving Christians

1) if the only tool you have is a hammer:-
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.” This is a famous quote by Abraham Maslow which refers to a concept commonly known as the 'law of instrument' or Maslow's Hammer. It refers to an over-reliance on a familiar or favourite tool.
In this case the Hammer is Pauline doctrine of Saved by Grace alone through Faith Alone
Unfortunately due to this preconceived notion and absolute conviction this is the real doctrine, the entire doctrine of Christ got buried under this deception. The average Christian moving with his " Hammer" started rationalizing everything non-Paul writers wrote ( including Christ ) . They twisted and hammered everything others said to FIT within Paul doctrine
2) Sherlock Holmes quote :
Read this peculiar phenomena playing out in our Churches which lead to Pauline doctrine getting a wide acceptance
Sherlock Holmes ( Arthur Conan Doyle) says
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”
This is exactly what happened Dafy. We started twisting facts to suit the doctrine of Paul. The best teachers also. Therefore even though Jesus never taught or uttered the Word Grace, the Salvation doctrine that Churches taught for last 500 years is "Saved by Grace alone through Faith Alone...."

 

[Randy]

First of its clear in Paul's letters that he rebuked wickedness and promoted righteousness. In other words Christ wasn't a license to continue to sin. Those that continued to sin after coming to the knowledge of the truth should expect judgment.

We do believe God has the power to punish.

That why we see His mercy.
Mercy
compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish

The law had punishments per transgression.

The blood of Christ, not our works, cancels those transgressions and punishments that stood against us. Its called grace and mercy sent by God while we were dead in our sins. He first loved us. (grace not of ourselves)

 

[JLB]

JLB! you've again written paragraph after paragraph!
Please provide a single line answer .

I have provided you a single line answer in post 102.

Here it is again —

Answer:

Jesus didn’t forget to teach grace, as grace and truth came through Him; the Spirit of Grace.


Here is the scripture that pertains to my answer:


For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:17

 

[JLB]

The best teachers also. Therefore even though Jesus never taught or uttered the Word Grace, the Salvation doctrine that Churches taught for last 500 years is "Saved by Grace alone through Faith Alone...."

First of all “saved by grace alone and faith alone” is unbiblical, and those who teach this are confused at best.

If it is grace “alone”, then no need of faith, and visa versa.


By saying we are saved by “grace alone and faith alone”, they are misrepresenting what Paul taught.

Paul taught that only those who obey Jesus Christ will receive eternal salvation.


Secondly, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ; His Spirit is the Spirit of Grace. John 1:17


Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:28-29


Do you realize that grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace?

Can a person be saved apart from the Holy Spirit?




JLB

 

[JLB]

All nations here clearly mean people of all nations / all mankind , Christian and others. Everyone has to face judgment before getting saved / condemned

Amen.

This is what Paul taught.


For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
2 Corinthians 5:10-11

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

Amen.

This is what Paul taught.


For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
2 Corinthians 5:10-11

Do you believe God's eternal Law stands abolished as Paul taught in Ephesians 2:15?

( Psalm 111:7-8, Psalm 19:7-11, whole of Psalm 119, the largest one is dedicated to explaining the wonderful and eternal nature of the Law.)

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

First of all “saved by grace alone and faith alone” is unbiblical, and those who teach this are confused at best.

If it is grace “alone”, then no need of faith, and visa versa.


By saying we are saved by “grace alone and faith alone”, they are misrepresenting what Paul taught.

Paul taught that only those who obey Jesus Christ will receive eternal salvation.


Secondly, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ; His Spirit is the Spirit of Grace. John 1:17


Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:28-29


Do you realize that grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace?

Can a person be saved apart from the Holy Spirit?




JLB

Why are quoting Paul. Hebrews is another of his books. His writing style gives him away. Let's see if Jesus or any of his apostles mention Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Grace

 

[Rockytopva]

I believe the basic church congregations as seven...

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

During the times of the first Messianic church it seemed the first church was dissipating away into what I would call the Smyrnaen church age, or the first age of the Gentiles. Which at that time, due to the Roman persecution, was non-denominational.

…and ye shall have tribulation ten days… - Revelation 2:10

Foxes book of Martyrs has the Roman persecutions as ten. The Smyrnaean Church age began with the Roman Emperor Nero burning down Rome and accusing the Christians of doing it. Smyrna in the Greek means “Myrrh,” in which the Smyrnaean martyrs represented the most pure form of Christianity of all the church ages. The martyred crowns were many as the Smyrnaean church age progressed.

Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days…
Time Persecutor Description
67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, and then blaming the Christians
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Paul’s Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of the Bishop Ignatius
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor’s assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine’s triumph against Rome in 313 AD

Just before the persecution of Nero we have Paul in Jerusalem…
30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar
32 Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul. - Acts 21

It is a wonder the Apostle Paul did not start a civil war as the great Jewish revolt was only a decade away.

* The Romans would retake Jerusalem in AD 71. Despite the upheaval brought by the revolt, and the destruction of the Temple, Jewish life continued to thrive in Judea.
* In 132, the revolt led by Bar Kokhba quickly spread from central Judea across the country, cutting off the Roman garrison in Aelia Capitolina (Jerusalem). The Bar Kokhba revolt greatly influenced the course of Jewish history and the philosophy of the Jewish religion. Despite easing the persecution of Jews following Hadrian's death in 138 CE, the Romans conquered and barred Jews from Jerusalem.

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. - Luke 21:24

I believe Paul was spiritually in the first persecution of the Smyrnaens, which would be a Roman persecution.

 

[JLB]

Do you believe God's eternal Law stands abolished as Paul taught in Ephesians 2:15?

I believe the law of Moses was abolished at the cross.


Do you believe we are to sacrifice animals for our sins?



JLB

 

[JLB]

Why are quoting Paul. Hebrews is another of his books. His writing style gives him away. Let's see if Jesus or any of his apostles mention Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Grace

So you believe the book of Hebrews is not scripture along with his writings to the churches?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Ho

Describe what Grace is... This way I can better understand what that word means to you. If you could, would you also give me an example of what grace looks like when implemented?
James says faith without works is dead. In the same way, we not only need to know what grace means, but we also need to know how to put it in action in our own lives. In other words, we need to live that out.

How does one implement grace when it is given by God? Is that a matter of implementing?

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

I believe the law of Moses was abolished at the cross.


Do you believe we are to sacrifice animals for our sins?



JLB

JLB oh Dear JLB I now really fear for you brother. For you do not know what you do

Remember one thing everyone reading this post .
The HANDWRITTEN LAW OF GOD, written BY HIS OWN FINGER ( Deuteronomy 9:10 ) and merely delivered to Israelites via Moses, who played no role in writing the Law. Moses acted as courier, FEDEX for Father God and delivered HIS Eternal Law to the nation of Israel . This is a FOREVER n ever LAW ( Psalms 19:7-11, Psalm 111: 7-8
In fact Psalm 119, the largest Psalm in Bible was written to inform all people about the ELECTION ETERNAL , PERENNIAL FOREVER AND EVER nature and structure of the Law.
Jesus upholds this writing of David and thunders in Matthew 5:17-18 that entire Universe can crash burn and disappear but not the LEAST BIT of the HANDWRITTEN Law of God can ever ever go .
It is a SHAME that Christians relying on the blasphemies and heresies of a false apostle who came via a WILD VISION story brutally murdered the ETERNAL LAW OF GOD , Ephesians 2:15 and CRUCIFIED IT on the SAME CROSS where he ( Paul) and his pharisee for ends had Jesus crucified. Shake on every church and every Christian who accepted this HIGHEST BLASPHEMY in Bible.
God is defined by His Law.
I do not think the average Christian realizes that NOBODY in the Universe can DARE touch God's Law. Not even Christ ( Luke 16:17) . Nobody.
Yet the Churches relying on one jabs blasphemous teachings ABOLISHED GOD'S ETERNAL LAW and replaced it with something called GRACE , a word Jesus never uttered or teach in the entire Bible.
As a grim reminder to all here , remember what Deuteronomy says about God's Law given to Israel at Mount Sinai, written by His own finger and Abolished BY THE Churches based on Pauline heresies .
Deuteronomy 9:10
Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER OF GOD, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.


Dear JLB the LAW written by God was ABOLISHED by Paul in Ephesians 2:15
And subsequently CRUCIFIED by Paul in Colossians 2:14

Do you accept he did this JLB ?
The Churches throughout the world have taught the blasphemy ETERNAL LAW OF GOD given by God at Mount Sinai IS DEAD and we are now under GRACE ( Paul- Ephesians 2:8-9) a word ( grace) Jesus never ever spoke.
We are all under grave danger because of what we accepted and taught ahead. I believe the false apostle succeeded in deceiving us to become enemies of God by abolishing it COMPLETELY. the Law handwritten and given by God .
Sorry J I wrote this post to let people across the world know the GREAT harm we've done to God ( by killing His eternal law ) and the GRAVE danger of eternal condemnation we are now under.

Let's have some views WHY n HOW God's ETERNAL LAW is dead ? Randy you're welcome to voice your views and heartily invited to participate
Sorry I lost my patience earlier on ....my profound apologies Randy

Question to you JLB Do you believe God's handwritten Law is in force or got abolished as Paul heresied ( created a new word!) in Ephesians 2:15

I'm doing all this to undo the DEEP DAMAGE done by Paul to us . At least the new generation will never ever believe Paul after the provision of all this evidence SAHU has provided against SAUL
In fact on YouTube I've started a series ( among other videos ) a fun series called SAUL vs SAHU! to expose the deceptions of Paul such as His direct attack on Father God and Son Jesus Christ when Paul thundered in Romans 6:14
"For you are not under the law, but under grace."
Law can never go, and Grace is a word Jesus never uttered or taught .....
A powerful double whammy of Paul to the Father and Son. The apostle who sneaked in by story of a vision with NO credible witnesses and CHANGING accounts of his conversion story. The apostle who confessed with his own mouth in 2 Corinthians 12:16 that he was a CRAFTY DECEIVER

If Stove would allow it I would like to point out the changing accounts of Paul's conversion story. A conversion which Christ HID/ CONCEALED from his beloved 12 apostles.... who had no clue a THIRTEENTH apostle was being appointed. To confound matters further Christ took Paul deep into deserts of Arabia and taught him a A New DOCTRINE -- Doctrine of saved by grace through faith that Christ had NEVER ever taught His twelve apostles.
Wonder which ONE of these thirteen Apostles got rejected by God in Revelation 21:14

Back to you JLB Do you think the HANDWRITTEN Law of God stands abolished as Paul taught or not ?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What is the significance of him not uttering the word “grace?”

I can see the significance of Jesus never uttering YHWH but teaching us instead how to address God, but surely there are words Jesus don’t utter that we know of but that doesn’t mean the concept doesn’t exist.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So

JLB oh Dear JLB I now really fear for you brother. For you do not know what you do

Remember one thing everyone reading this post .
The HANDWRITTEN LAW OF GOD, written BY HIS OWN FINGER ( Deuteronomy 9:10 ) and merely delivered to Israelites via Moses, who played no role in writing the Law. Moses acted as courier, FEDEX for Father God and delivered HIS Eternal Law to the nation of Israel . This is a FOREVER n ever LAW ( Psalms 19:7-11, Psalm 111: 7-8
In fact Psalm 119, the largest Psalm in Bible was written to inform all people about the ELECTION ETERNAL , PERENNIAL FOREVER AND EVER nature and structure of the Law.
Jesus upholds this writing of David and thunders in Matthew 5:17-18 that entire Universe can crash burn and disappear but not the LEAST BIT of the HANDWRITTEN Law of God can ever ever go .
It is a SHAME that Christians relying on the blasphemies and heresies of a false apostle who came via a WILD VISION story brutally murdered the ETERNAL LAW OF GOD , Ephesians 2:15 and CRUCIFIED IT on the SAME CROSS where he ( Paul) and his pharisee for ends had Jesus crucified. Shake on every church and every Christian who accepted this HIGHEST BLASPHEMY in Bible.
God is defined by His Law.
I do not think the average Christian realizes that NOBODY in the Universe can DARE touch God's Law. Not even Christ ( Luke 16:17) . Nobody.
Yet the Churches relying on one jabs blasphemous teachings ABOLISHED GOD'S ETERNAL LAW and replaced it with something called GRACE , a word Jesus never uttered or teach in the entire Bible.
As a grim reminder to all here , remember what Deuteronomy says about God's Law given to Israel at Mount Sinai, written by His own finger and Abolished BY THE Churches based on Pauline heresies .
Deuteronomy 9:10
Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER OF GOD, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.


Dear JLB the LAW written by God was ABOLISHED by Paul in Ephesians 2:15
And subsequently CRUCIFIED by Paul in Colossians 2:14

Do you accept he did this JLB ?
The Churches throughout the world have taught the blasphemy ETERNAL LAW OF GOD given by God at Mount Sinai IS DEAD and we are now under GRACE ( Paul- Ephesians 2:8-9) a word ( grace) Jesus never ever spoke.
We are all under grave danger because of what we accepted and taught ahead. I believe the false apostle succeeded in deceiving us to become enemies of God by abolishing it COMPLETELY. the Law handwritten and given by God .
Sorry J I wrote this post to let people across the world know the GREAT harm we've done to God ( by killing His eternal law ) and the GRAVE danger of eternal condemnation we are now under.

Let's have some views WHY n HOW God's ETERNAL LAW is dead ? Randy you're welcome to voice your views and heartily invited to participate
Sorry I lost my patience earlier on ....my profound apologies Randy

Question to you JLB Do you believe God's handwritten Law is in force or got abolished as Paul heresied ( created a new word!) in Ephesians 2:15

I'm doing all this to undo the DEEP DAMAGE done by Paul to us . At least the new generation will never ever believe Paul after the provision of all this evidence SAHU has provided against SAUL
In fact on YouTube I've started a series ( among other videos ) a fun series called SAUL vs SAHU! to expose the deceptions of Paul such as His direct attack on Father God and Son Jesus Christ when Paul thundered in Romans 6:14
"For you are not under the law, but under grace."
Law can never go, and Grace is a word Jesus never uttered or taught .....
A powerful double whammy of Paul to the Father and Son. The apostle who sneaked in by story of a vision with NO credible witnesses and CHANGING accounts of his conversion story. The apostle who confessed with his own mouth in 2 Corinthians 12:16 that he was a CRAFTY DECEIVER

If Stove would allow it I would like to point out the changing accounts of Paul's conversion story. A conversion which Christ HID/ CONCEALED from his beloved 12 apostles.... who had no clue a THIRTEENTH apostle was being appointed. To confound matters further Christ took Paul deep into deserts of Arabia and taught him a A New DOCTRINE -- Doctrine of saved by grace through faith that Christ had NEVER ever taught His twelve apostles.
Wonder which ONE of these thirteen Apostles got rejected by God in Revelation 21:14

Back to you JLB Do you think the HANDWRITTEN Law of God stands abolished as Paul taught or not ?

So you keep the old testament law? Never met anyone who does this. Wonder what it looks like. How do you carry on the animal sacrifices in the temple demanded by the law when the dom of the rocks sits on it?

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

What is the significance of him not uttering the word “grace?”

I can see the significance of Jesus never uttering YHWH but teaching us instead how to address God, but surely there are words Jesus don’t utter that we know of but that doesn’t mean the concept doesn’t exist.

Remember Dorothy whatever Jesus did not teach, does not exist . Every explanation provided by humans is nothing but SPECULATION

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

So

So you keep the old testament law?

Yes absolutely, else I will be decimated , like everyone else who does not obey the entire Law of God. I do that according to HOW Christ taught us all to OBEY THE LAW it in it's ENTIRETY......Through Matthew 22:37-40
And
Matthew 7:12
I bet you didn't know ( along with two billion other Christians) that Jesus had taught us HOW TO OBEY God's Law ....it lies concealed because of Paul who CRUCIFIED and ABOLISHED God's ETERNAL Law --- Colossians 2:14, Ephesians 2:15
Why do you think I'm fighting tooth and nail for Father God and Christ Jesus my Lord ? Lot of damage done past 2000 years by Pauline teachings needs to be undone. Yet most unfortunately and ironically the very Christians for whom I'm fighting for, attack me ( often fiercely) for contending to teach the true doctrine of Christ and expose the false apostle. It hurts deeply
But deeper is the hurt when God's Eternal Law is referenced as you just did " OLD TESTAMENT LAW"

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

I don't think Jesus verbally uttered the word "grace" but did He not personify grace? He lived it for He is God. His very existence and purpose here on earth was living grace.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
John 1:14-17 NKJV

Where does John the apostle once say " We are saved by Grace" ?
In fact he issues a stark warning in John 3:36 ( NASB) we are sunk if we do not obey.
He issues another warning in 1 John 4:8 "Learn to Love or Prepare to Perish!" Why don't you quote these warnings also ? Why cherry-pick verses to drive home what we feel?
What you are saying , your explanation, will be held to be Speculation by any Court.check my post to dafydd . It will likely help you understand how we were deceived.
Also please keep in mind the word Grace (Charis in Greek) has more than 100 synonyms

 

[JLB]

JLB oh Dear JLB I now really fear for you brother. For you do not know what you do

Remember one thing everyone reading this post .
The HANDWRITTEN LAW OF GOD, written BY HIS OWN FINGER ( Deuteronomy 9:10 ) and merely delivered to Israelites via Moses, who played no role in writing the Law. Moses acted as courier, FEDEX for Father God and delivered HIS Eternal Law to the nation of Israel . This is a FOREVER n ever LAW ( Psalms 19:7-11, Psalm 111: 7-8
In fact Psalm 119, the largest Psalm in Bible was written to inform all people about the ELECTION ETERNAL , PERENNIAL FOREVER AND EVER nature and structure of the Law.
Jesus upholds this writing of David and thunders in Matthew 5:17-18 that entire Universe can crash burn and disappear but not the LEAST BIT of the HANDWRITTEN Law of God can ever ever go .
It is a SHAME that Christians relying on the blasphemies and heresies of a false apostle who came via a WILD VISION story brutally murdered the ETERNAL LAW OF GOD , Ephesians 2:15 and CRUCIFIED IT on the SAME CROSS where he ( Paul) and his pharisee for ends had Jesus crucified. Shake on every church and every Christian who accepted this HIGHEST BLASPHEMY in Bible.
God is defined by His Law.
I do not think the average Christian realizes that NOBODY in the Universe can DARE touch God's Law. Not even Christ ( Luke 16:17) . Nobody.
Yet the Churches relying on one jabs blasphemous teachings ABOLISHED GOD'S ETERNAL LAW and replaced it with something called GRACE , a word Jesus never uttered or teach in the entire Bible.
As a grim reminder to all here , remember what Deuteronomy says about God's Law given to Israel at Mount Sinai, written by His own finger and Abolished BY THE Churches based on Pauline heresies .
Deuteronomy 9:10
Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER OF GOD, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.


Dear JLB the LAW written by God was ABOLISHED by Paul in Ephesians 2:15
And subsequently CRUCIFIED by Paul in Colossians 2:14

Do you accept he did this JLB ?
The Churches throughout the world have taught the blasphemy ETERNAL LAW OF GOD given by God at Mount Sinai IS DEAD and we are now under GRACE ( Paul- Ephesians 2:8-9) a word ( grace) Jesus never ever spoke.
We are all under grave danger because of what we accepted and taught ahead. I believe the false apostle succeeded in deceiving us to become enemies of God by abolishing it COMPLETELY. the Law handwritten and given by God .
Sorry J I wrote this post to let people across the world know the GREAT harm we've done to God ( by killing His eternal law ) and the GRAVE danger of eternal condemnation we are now under.

Let's have some views WHY n HOW God's ETERNAL LAW is dead ? Randy you're welcome to voice your views and heartily invited to participate
Sorry I lost my patience earlier on ....my profound apologies Randy

Question to you JLB Do you believe God's handwritten Law is in force or got abolished as Paul heresied ( created a new word!) in Ephesians 2:15

I'm doing all this to undo the DEEP DAMAGE done by Paul to us . At least the new generation will never ever believe Paul after the provision of all this evidence SAHU has provided against SAUL
In fact on YouTube I've started a series ( among other videos ) a fun series called SAUL vs SAHU! to expose the deceptions of Paul such as His direct attack on Father God and Son Jesus Christ when Paul thundered in Romans 6:14
"For you are not under the law, but under grace."
Law can never go, and Grace is a word Jesus never uttered or taught .....
A powerful double whammy of Paul to the Father and Son. The apostle who sneaked in by story of a vision with NO credible witnesses and CHANGING accounts of his conversion story. The apostle who confessed with his own mouth in 2 Corinthians 12:16 that he was a CRAFTY DECEIVER

If Stove would allow it I would like to point out the changing accounts of Paul's conversion story. A conversion which Christ HID/ CONCEALED from his beloved 12 apostles.... who had no clue a THIRTEENTH apostle was being appointed. To confound matters further Christ took Paul deep into deserts of Arabia and taught him a A New DOCTRINE -- Doctrine of saved by grace through faith that Christ had NEVER ever taught His twelve apostles.
Wonder which ONE of these thirteen Apostles got rejected by God in Revelation 21:14

Back to you JLB Do you think the HANDWRITTEN Law of God stands abolished as Paul taught or not ?

Paul doesn’t have the authority to abolish the law of Moses.

Paul taught what Jesus Christ our Lord did Himself.


For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
Ephesians 2:14-16


Again, I asked a simple question to you —


Do you believe we as the Church are required to sacrifice animals for our sins?





JLB

 

[WIP]

Where does John the apostle once say " We are saved by Grace" ?
In fact he issues a stark warning in John 3:36 ( NASB) we are sunk if we do not obey.
He issues another warning in 1 John 4:8 "Learn to Love or Prepare to Perish!" Why don't you quote these warnings also ? Why cherry-pick verses to drive home what we feel?
What you are saying , your explanation, will be held to be Speculation by any Court.check my post to dafydd . It will likely help you understand how we were deceived.
Also please keep in mind the word Grace (Charis in Greek) has more than 100 synonyms

I was responding to your assertion that Jesus never uttered the word "grace" and showing that even though He didn't use the word, He didn't have to because He was/is grace perfected. Now you attack me for it. Too bad.

 

[Randy]

Remember Dorothy whatever Jesus did not teach, does not exist . Every explanation provided by humans is nothing but SPECULATION

I think revelation was given through His apostles. God did speak beforehand of a new covenant He would make that is not like the first covenant because the people BROKE His covenant. And what was decided in Acts 15 by the apostles seemed also good by the Holy Spirit as was given in the testimony of acts of things that took place in those days.

Jesus never stated this. Do you believe it? (below)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.